You are right. I was trying to point out somethings that I find to be off a bit. I remember the impeachment of clinton, but the vitriol was far less heated than it is against trump. Okay, but can you actually give any concrete evidence and not hearsay of anything he has said that you assert he has said? (Oh look I passed the burden of proof)
No you didn't "pass the burden of proof." That's another straw (wo)man argument, since the assertions you're referring to were posted by someone else, and not me.
NO ONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN IT, IF IT HAD NOT BEEN LEAKED BY A POLITICAL RIVAL. Which leaves me to question the validity of all such claims. You are basically judging a man based on "He said, She said." Rumors and such.
It would have been private and thus I would have never known, as the old saying goes "What I do not know, wont hurt me."
You can "question the validity" of claims like this, but your doubt makes them no more or less true.
And Trump's being found civilly liable for sexual assault is not an example of "he said, she said rumors." It was a finding in a court of law.
Yes If I was within earshot of the conversation I would feel harassed. My body and all. Or is it as you are so eloquently trying to paint it, that I should just dismiss it as their right to voice their opinions on penises and how they want them, and not feel offended if I was inclined to feel offended? Am I not allowed to feel offense when someone says something about me, even if its fun, sexy and kinky? So why can't I do the same with my group of male friends and a woman happens to hear it? So she can feel harassed and upset, and take appropriate actions, but if some women talk about my dick in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable, I am just supposed to grin and bear it. The double standard is strong in this. I don't think that is the road you are traveling with this, but I will put this out there in case it is.
Who says you can't "do the same with your group of male friends"? If there a law banning you from doing so? Which "appropriate actions" would that eavesdropping women take? Most to the point, you're feeling offended by talk like this is a complete you thing. Just as it would be for a woman in the reverse situation (unless, of course, it violated established workplace rules).
If I overheard a group of women talking and heard one of them say, "When Barbara licks my pussy and fondles my tits, it's the most amazing feeling in the world, and I cum explosively every time she does it," I'd feel very proud, and I'd feel a true sense of accomplishment. Who wouldn't? (I'm sorry if that offends you, but as you put it, it's free speech.)
Free speech is free, women can say or do as they please. But you have not said how it is different. A talk about the merits of dicks over a cup of tea or coffee versus a talk about the wonderful properties of Pussy, and what should be done with it over a mug of beer is different? Some women would see harassment at the very mention of their pussy, while others would probably be showing it off if the law allowed. My ultimate point is, it does not matter how it is being said, or what is being said, if it makes someone uncomfortable then it is harassment. Not all men need their ego's stroked by having their dicks talked about. As I stated many times, I am an outlier, my dick is scarred up, and to me looks gnarly. I am not inclined to show it off, as it is a sore point with me, so if there were women talking about it, other than my wife, who has sole ownership of it, then I would feel harassed and uncomfortable. But that is just me. I cannot speak of the other men in the world.
Again, your creating false comparisons, and exhibiting that Puritanical streak I mentioned above. Women cannot "say and do as they please," and
As above, when men "talk about the wonderful properties of Pussy, and what should be done with it" it's the same as women talking about the relative merits of cock sizes (or the joys of having their pussies licked). There's no dichotomy, and no double standard. The double standard you talk about exists only in your own mind.
You think Trump is the second coming of satan.
I think hes not as bad as everyone makes him out to be, but I do not subscribe to his entire doctrine, he is an egotistical selfish asshole, but hes the egotistical selfish asshole we need but don't want.
I don't think Trump is Satan. and I agree that he is "an egotistical selfish asshole." I do think he's at least as bad as "everyone makes him out to be," and maybe even worse. But there have been several "egotistical selfish assholes" who served as U.S. president (FDR, and Lyndon Johnson immediately come to mind), but I tend to judge politicians and political candidates by their words. actions, experience, and accomplishments, and not by the degree to which they are assholes.
If you believe political mudslinging "isn't fair," keep in mind that virtually every campaign in U.S. history has featured mudslinging of one form or another. Even George Washington was the victim of mudslinging when he ran for re-elected in 1792, and Abraham Lincoln in both 1860 and 1864 was the victim of more mudslinging -- most of it patently false -- than virtually any other presidential candidate in U.S. history. And that very much includes Trump.
Back from getting my ass probed repeatedly.
1. I get that. Thanks for the clarification.
2. I did not say his liable was hearsay, but it isn't damning evidence that he did it. You cannot circumvent the legal process like that. Innocent until proven guilty. There are tons of cases out there that show people being liable, but not guilty of the crimes they were accused of. They do it with the gun makers all the time but nothing comes from it because of a law that states if I am getting this right, "If you make a thing, and someone uses the thing in a crime, you cant sue or charge the maker of the thing for the crime." I am not 100% sure about that, because they are or have repealed it or something in the past couple of years. Guilt by association is part of that too. But she is also losing a defamation suit herself. She had an interview on CNN where the reporter was trying to seriously ask her questions, and one question she answered so awfully that it shocked me, It boiled down to this: "Rape is sexy, look at all the fantasies." She did not say it in those words, but that was the context of it. Why do I make this point? Because I Doubt the validity of her claims. Just like the Cavanaugh accuser, and of "Mattress Girl." The point is, you have to come hard with concrete evidence to sling that kind of mud, because its not something that should be taken lightly.
3. The point was to say that you should be free to speak your mind in private, say whatever the hell you feel like. There should be no law to prevent that. But what I was attempting to point out was the scenario that some one of the opposite sex heard it. The phone call that was leaked about grabbing the pussy had no real context and was used as a weapon.
The difference is, only my wife and a select few of her friends can freely speak of my cock, as they know it well. But if it was some random woman, an idle rumor like that could damage my reputation. I do not sleep around on my wife, most of the times I fuck other women is because usually shes in the bed getting off on it, or joining. So how would it look if a rumor that I fucking destroyed a random woman I had no connection to look like? Cant stop the rumor mill once its in gear. That was my point. Hell, MissB, if you want to talk about my dick, by all means. You wont offend me one bit, and I would be Honored if a lesbian said something nice about it. But not someone in real life I do not know. On here, talk about it freely, not going to phase me one bit. I am not an egoist, I do not shout my "conquests" to the world, as I believe no one would give a damned. I share them here because I figure you all would be entertained.
"If I overheard a group of women talking and heard one of them say, "When Barbara licks my pussy and fondles my tits, it's the most amazing feeling in the world, and I cum explosively every time she does it," I'd feel very proud, and I'd feel a true sense of accomplishment. Who wouldn't? (I'm sorry if that offends you, but as you put it, it's free speech.")
It doesnt offend me at all. If my wife said that I would probably be in jail for lewd acts in public, as I would fuck her right there to keep her from looking like she was falsely bragging. Like I said above, only a handful of people have that right to do so, my wife being the most important of them, but if it was a random, thats where I would have a problem.
Would you like a strange woman saying "I donned all my leather, strapping dildos to my knees and elbows, and from dinner time to breakfast, I fucked her so hard she converted to a nun at dawn's first light." I guess that would put you off if you passed by and heard it. Not making any judgements, though that sounds like a porn I would actually buy, NGL.
4. Then why is Trump being crucified over it, if it was said in private, to people of like mind and then leaked out. If the prevailing thought is do as you do in private, why does it matter so much what he said, as long as he did not direct it towards a woman within his presence? I think it was crude as all hell, and probably should have been mentally edited, but still, he did not say it to the face of anyone but other men in a phone call. Its a well known secret that men sometimes get raunchy in the locker room, because we feel comfortable to do so there.
5. Mudslinging is a thing. Everyone has the right to do it, and if you are going to stand in the limelight, then you need to be strong enough to take it. But I think there should be more than an ounce of doubt of claims made by either side. That is until it is either proven or debunked. I think that using private conversations as ammo is low as all fuck too. But I cant bitch about mudslinging cause I am not in the position to have it chucked at me.
Also I count JFK as one of the Egotistical selfish assholes. I feel bad he was killed, but before that, he had a wonderful wife, but set up actual systems for cheating on her, using the secret service to help set up places for his trysts. And he was tied in with the mob, and if you believe the conspiracy theories, he had Marylin killed cause she wanted him all to herself. So there is that.
MissB, I do learn a lot from you. Thanks for helping me take my mind off of what I went through. I really hope you have a wonderful rest of your day.