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on: July 14, 2024, 12:36:51 AM
Loud explosions as Donald took the stage, May be injured. rushed off

Butler Pa. crowd made to leave

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Reply #1 on: July 14, 2024, 12:47:48 AM
Probably some bullshit he set up himself to make himself look like a martyr. He'll be up and about bragging about himself and not stopping or some bullshit. Just like his 3 day covid lie.



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Reply #2 on: July 14, 2024, 12:56:34 AM

Probably some bullshit he set up himself to make himself look like a martyr. He'll be up and about bragging about himself and not stopping or some bullshit. Just like his 3 day covid lie.


That's exactly what I thought when I saw the news alert.

"Biden and the leftist, communist, socialist Democrats tried to assassinate me!"





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Reply #3 on: July 14, 2024, 01:08:39 AM

Probably some bullshit he set up himself to make himself look like a martyr. He'll be up and about bragging about himself and not stopping or some bullshit. Just like his 3 day covid lie.




"Biden and the leftist, communist, socialist Democrats tried to assassinate me!"



Exactly!!

Images show him with blood on his face, saying he was hit in the ear like some action movie hero. Just missed his head.

I saw a video clip, and there were several small pops that sounded similar to gun fire, however it wasnt until the third or fourth bang, that he grabbed his ear and ducked behind his podium.
If they were actual shots fired, they would be far less accurate when he put his hand to his head, meaning if he was going to get hit, it would have been on the first shot, not the third or fourth.

I may not be the ultimate self proclaimed god of weapons and firearms that gunnerman is.... but I havE some extensive knowledge. I'm calling bullshit.



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Reply #4 on: July 14, 2024, 01:29:42 AM
Well, I hope whoever is responsible is identified. But this isn’t a game changer. I doubt one person decides to vote for Trump on the basis that somebody took a shot at him. If that’s even what happened.

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Reply #5 on: July 14, 2024, 02:19:15 AM
two of the people behind him were hit, and one was killed.

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Reply #6 on: July 14, 2024, 02:26:32 AM
two of the people behind him were hit, and one was killed.

Two people shot, yet EVERYBODY in the background didn't run or panic in any way what-so-ever. Nobody yelled for help, or a single scream from a nearby individual. I've seen people shot up close and personal, and there is no way one could miss it.



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Reply #7 on: July 14, 2024, 03:05:20 AM

Probably some bullshit he set up himself to make himself look like a martyr. He'll be up and about bragging about himself and not stopping or some bullshit. Just like his 3 day covid lie.




"Biden and the leftist, communist, socialist Democrats tried to assassinate me!"



Exactly!!

Images show him with blood on his face, saying he was hit in the ear like some action movie hero. Just missed his head.

I saw a video clip, and there were several small pops that sounded similar to gun fire, however it wasnt until the third or fourth bang, that he grabbed his ear and ducked behind his podium.
If they were actual shots fired, they would be far less accurate when he put his hand to his head, meaning if he was going to get hit, it would have been on the first shot, not the third or fourth.

I may not be the ultimate self proclaimed god of weapons and firearms that gunnerman is.... but I havE some extensive knowledge. I'm calling bullshit.

or the would be assassin is a shitty shot in the first place, but as I said earlier, two people behind him were hit and news reports says 1 was killed, and the shooter was killed. And even if this was a bs stunt, the angle of attack would have been made where only trump would be targeted without anyone else being hit because his personality would not want anyone else to hog his spotlight if anything anyone has said about him is true.

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Reply #8 on: July 14, 2024, 03:11:52 AM
two of the people behind him were hit, and one was killed.

Two people shot, yet EVERYBODY in the background didn't run or panic in any way what-so-ever. Nobody yelled for help, or a single scream from a nearby individual. I've seen people shot up close and personal, and there is no way one could miss it.

I dont know about that, or enough about things to fully refute it, but all I can say is, there were shootings in some crime ridden cities during fireworks where people who were shot at did not even know until they noticed a person lying on the ground. I think it falls to the caliber of the gun, and also the fact that people were stunned that it was actually happening. Shock is ultimately a weapon and tool for attacks like this. Like mass shootings in malls and such, there is always a moment during it where people will freeze up. Also a large part of panic is actually seeing someone with a weapon. If no one seen the shooter, it could be boiled down to some fireworks or something else before the realization terrible things are happening. Like I said I am not an expert on this either, only take a few psych courses before switching to business.

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Reply #9 on: July 14, 2024, 03:18:36 AM
NYT:  Former President Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that he had been “shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear” at his rally in Butler, Pa., describing his experience in a post on his social media platform, Truth Social.

Mr. Trump was just minutes into his speech when shots were fired. In his post, he said he “knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin.”

The former president, who was rushed off the stage with blood on his right ear and his face, added that “much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening.”

In his post, Mr. Trump extended his condolences to the family of the person attending his rally who was killed, and to the family of “another person that was badly injured.”

He added that he did not know anything about the shooter, who officials said had been killed.

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania,” Mr. Trump wrote.

The Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies have not yet publicly confirmed that Mr. Trump was shot in the ear, saying only that shots were fired, that the former president was “safe” and that the shooter was now dead.

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Reply #10 on: July 14, 2024, 03:25:02 AM
NYT:  Former President Donald J. Trump said on Saturday that he had been “shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear” at his rally in Butler, Pa., describing his experience in a post on his social media platform, Truth Social.

Mr. Trump was just minutes into his speech when shots were fired. In his post, he said he “knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin.”

The former president, who was rushed off the stage with blood on his right ear and his face, added that “much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening.”

In his post, Mr. Trump extended his condolences to the family of the person attending his rally who was killed, and to the family of “another person that was badly injured.”

He added that he did not know anything about the shooter, who officials said had been killed.

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania,” Mr. Trump wrote.

The Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies have not yet publicly confirmed that Mr. Trump was shot in the ear, saying only that shots were fired, that the former president was “safe” and that the shooter was now dead.

News outlets have been posting images of the top of his ear bloody with blood on his face. both right and left wing news outlets are almost in sync with the details and showing the pic of the bloody ear.

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Reply #11 on: July 14, 2024, 03:29:02 AM
Funny that he would thank law enforcement for quick response when other reports are saying that local law enforcement knew of a potential threat.

I'm also looking at the blood on his ear and face, at the pattern makes no sense to me. It isnt smeared across his face, but looks like it was sprayed there. I do no believe an ear would would bleed that much in such a short period of time.

While deployed my gunner was hit in the back of the head with shrapnel leaving an inch long gash, and there was less blood on his head and neck then trump had on his ear and face.

I also seen a short video of the so called shooter. The "body" is seen laying on a single story building that looks like some kind of warehouse with a white roof. There is no cover or concealment anywhere in the area, but neither the secret service or security details saw said individual until 3 or 4 shots were taken.

The final thing for me is that this is supposed to be an active shooter scene, yet everybody is walking away calmly, or just standing around with their phones out recording.

Just too many questions for me to sit here and say it was a true attempt. I'm willing to bet that the "shooter" will be an illegal immigrant.



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Reply #12 on: July 14, 2024, 04:24:33 AM
Funny that he would thank law enforcement for quick response when other reports are saying that local law enforcement knew of a potential threat.

I'm also looking at the blood on his ear and face, at the pattern makes no sense to me. It isnt smeared across his face, but looks like it was sprayed there. I do no believe an ear would would bleed that much in such a short period of time.

While deployed my gunner was hit in the back of the head with shrapnel leaving an inch long gash, and there was less blood on his head and neck then trump had on his ear and face.

I also seen a short video of the so called shooter. The "body" is seen laying on a single story building that looks like some kind of warehouse with a white roof. There is no cover or concealment anywhere in the area, but neither the secret service or security details saw said individual until 3 or 4 shots were taken.

The final thing for me is that this is supposed to be an active shooter scene, yet everybody is walking away calmly, or just standing around with their phones out recording.

Just too many questions for me to sit here and say it was a true attempt. I'm willing to bet that the "shooter" will be an illegal immigrant.

If we objectively look at past assasinations in America:

Kennedy was gunned down from the 2 or 3rd floor, along a route that was supposedly cleared for his visit, and even the crowd didn't react hard at first. The historic video of it shows him falling over in the car, and then the police and secret service reacted.

Regan was shot in the chest iirc, I think the gunman had a chance to fire even after being spotted in a "cleared" area.

If you also want to be reeeaaaaalllly honest, "Threats and reactions to them" is a sore point in our history. Pearl harbor, the recon sub for the imperial navy was spotted twice and no one did anything. 9/11 the CIA and other intelligence agencies knew about the plot for weeks leading up to it and didn't stop it. Unibomber and Oklahoma City too. In most cases there is the excuse of "It takes time to investigate." But even then they doubt with some hubris that it would be a valid threat, despite the agencies claiming to take every threat serious.

Also, my youngest brother on a fishing trip with my dad ages ago got a hook caught in his upper ear and tore a nice hole in it. It bled pretty bad. Looked kind of worse than Trump's but I havent seen a close up of his ear. But I am not a doctor.

But what I can say for sure is this. I dont hate the man, nor do I hate biden, because to me both are dottering old fools and rusty tools for a system no one is willing to work at to improve, but in this current political climate after the surpreme court passed its decision on presidential immunity, and even before, I have to raise an eyebrow at things when people on X ask since trump is immune why doesnt biden just take him out with spec ops? or even going back to the comedienne who posted a picture of her holding trumps severed head. I believe most of us remember a time when even posting stuff like that, even in jest got you investigated at the minimum.

Even if you love or hate the man, there is nothing he can do to justify killing him. That is murder, even if he is a as horrific as people make him out to be, nothing justifies murder, unless you are defending your and your own from an imminent threat to your life, and not some asshole law or order that vaguely affects you, period.

I also cant truck with this being a ploy for him, or a conspiracy or w/e. Because if this is for some reason a left power play wet dream, there is a net zero gain from it, because even if they managed to take him out, there are other republican candidates that could be swapped out and win. And if this is some Right wing conspiracy to push his numbers higher, then this is a lower than a negative zero gain, because 1 three people died, and 2. Trump leads in the polls, and even without his lead in the polls, bidens approval is dropping hard. There is no real need to spoof an assassination attempt, because like the old saying goes, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." The Army uses that, but Napoleon said it also. At most this could be a diversion to take eyes off of biden's fish pot of suck going on, but still its a horrid thing if that is the case. 

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Reply #13 on: July 15, 2024, 09:04:30 PM
In 1992, during the Republican National Convention, I was on a hotel rooftop with a rifle. I was the sniper on a ERT (Emergency Reaction Team). There was a high rise hotel on the north and west sides of the Astrodome and a theme park immediately south of the dome, so, there was a lot to cover, hence, the drafting of multiple police departments to keep the event safe. I had two radios next to me, one on our frequency and the other on a Secret Service frequency. My partner and I were on that rooftop from 7 AM to 10:30 PM for five days straight. I made some serious bucks that week as I made 40 hours, plus 40 hours overtime from my PD AND I got a 3,000.00 check from Uncle Sam for my services (I bought a used car, cash, with that money).

With that said, there was some complacency on the part of the Secret Service during the Trump rally. I do not support any wild and wacky conspiracy theory. Cops, federal, state and local get lazy. Because there hasn't been any type of attempted assassination in 43 years and no successful assassination in 56 years, law enforcement didn't attempt any out of the box thinking. Therefore, if a ship runs ashore on a reef, even if the Captain is asleep in his cabin, it is still the Captain's fault. With that thinking, it is time for a change at the helm of the Secret Service. If I was the head of the Secret Service, I would clear all personal objects from my office, today. No sense getting caught flat footed (pun intended). Oh wait, isn't that what happened last week?



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Reply #14 on: July 23, 2024, 05:22:45 PM
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has resigned, a day after getting a severe grilling in Congress. There have been bipartisan calls in Congress for Cheatle’s resignation and a push by Republican lawmakers to impeach her. Lawmakers were particularly incensed after her appearance in front of the House Oversight Committee on Monday, where she was unwilling to answer many of the committee’s questions.



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Reply #15 on: July 23, 2024, 06:09:05 PM
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has resigned, a day after getting a severe grilling in Congress. There have been bipartisan calls in Congress for Cheatle’s resignation and a push by Republican lawmakers to impeach her. Lawmakers were particularly incensed after her appearance in front of the House Oversight Committee on Monday, where she was unwilling to answer many of the committee’s questions.

Yeah, that checks out. The Secret Service is a Zero Mistake job. There was a huge lapse there, and the least thing she could have done at least was answer the damned questions. She is the director, not some low rank and file agent. The director resigned when Reagan was shot, so its almost SOP to resign after an incident like that.

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Reply #16 on: July 23, 2024, 07:30:37 PM
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has resigned, a day after getting a severe grilling in Congress. There have been bipartisan calls in Congress for Cheatle’s resignation and a push by Republican lawmakers to impeach her. Lawmakers were particularly incensed after her appearance in front of the House Oversight Committee on Monday, where she was unwilling to answer many of the committee’s questions.

Yeah, that checks out. The Secret Service is a Zero Mistake job. There was a huge lapse there, and the least thing she could have done at least was answer the damned questions. She is the director, not some low rank and file agent. The director resigned when Reagan was shot, so its almost SOP to resign after an incident like that.

to draw an analogy,  if the captain of a ship makes an error and grounds said ship he/she is replaces.  It seems to reason that if there is an error on her shift she should be replaced.  Plus it’s a distraction from the presiden race.


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Reply #17 on: July 23, 2024, 08:06:33 PM

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has resigned, a day after getting a severe grilling in Congress. There have been bipartisan calls in Congress for Cheatle’s resignation and a push by Republican lawmakers to impeach her. Lawmakers were particularly incensed after her appearance in front of the House Oversight Committee on Monday, where she was unwilling to answer many of the committee’s questions.


Yeah, that checks out. The Secret Service is a Zero Mistake job. There was a huge lapse there, and the least thing she could have done at least was answer the damned questions. She is the director, not some low rank and file agent. The director resigned when Reagan was shot, so its almost SOP to resign after an incident like that.


Secret Service Director James Rowley, who served as Secret Service Director from 1961-73, did not step down or was not removed from office after Kennedy was assassinated.

His successor, Stuart Knight (1973-81), did not resign after the after the two assassination attempts of Gerald Ford in the late summer of 1975.

While it's true that Knight resigned as Secret Service Director in November 1981 -- 8 months after the attempted assassination of Reagan -- contrary to Rep. Ro Khanna's assertions, it is unclear if Knight's resignation and the attempted assassination of Regan were directly related, especially given the long elapsed time between the two events.



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Reply #18 on: July 24, 2024, 12:39:47 AM
+3136 for FACTS.

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