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Reply #40 on: March 17, 2022, 01:48:31 AM
Why did he wait for slow Joe to be in for a year? Please answer this. I'd love to hear the crackpot theory on this.
You don't deserve an answer, because you're asking a leading question. You could just as well have asked, "Why did Putin wait for Omicron to decline?" or "Why did he wait for the olympics to conclude?"  It's a stupid question!

The picture tied the GOP and Putin together. I'm asking, what is the justification for this? The answer is that democrats project themselves on others. Hillary has spent the past five years accusing Trump of colluding with Russians when actually it was Hillary doing just that. And how did Hillary collude? The now, very debunked Steele Dossier was Russian in origin.

So, no, the question about slow Joe is neither leading or stupid.



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Reply #41 on: March 17, 2022, 02:33:28 AM

I have lost all interest or respect for your comments. Go fuck yourself.

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Reply #42 on: March 17, 2022, 03:09:34 AM
How typical.

Member A, asks a question.

Member B, gives examples to show why the question is stupid.

Member A, rattles off some diatribe that in no way supports that his question isn't stupid. He then claims that his question isn't stupid.

He does deserve credit for asking a better question. "The picture tied the GOP and Putin together. I'm asking, what is the justification for this?"

Well why didn't you ask that in the first place!!!?




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Reply #43 on: March 17, 2022, 03:21:49 AM

Why didn't Putin attack Ukraine in the Trump era? Why did he wait for slow Joe to be in for a year?

Because all focus was on Syria and then the world finances took a hit with covid. Plus Putin probably thought that president Volodymyr Zelenskyy would be a pushover.



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Reply #44 on: March 17, 2022, 06:19:12 AM
If Russia and Trump really were good buddy/buddies as ALL the alphabet networks alleged, then why didn't Putin attack Ukraine in the Trump era? Why did he wait for slow Joe to be in for a year? Please answer this. I'd love to hear the crackpot theory on this.

Because Trump presented less of a threat, and Putin then didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine outright. Putin is known for methodical planning, and the way things have been going the past three weeks makes so little sense, that the invasion seems more like a knee jerk reaction than something Putin had in mind for years and years. Putin made much more sense when he was still talking only about sending peacekeeping troops to the Donbass region. Then the plan was likely to start integrating Donbass into Russia and exerting more influence on eastern Ukraine between the Dnieper river and Donbass, slowly chipping away at Ukrainian independence.

Putin's biggest worry is Ukraine joining NATO, but beyond that he also fears American opposition and a strong Europe. Some things to consider about Trump...

1) He not only frequently praised Putin and was especially impressed by Russia's progress in Syria (which consisted mostly of Russia flying unopposed over Syria, going after ISIS and other opposition of Assad with bombers and cruise missiles, and then letting the Syrian Arab Army try to clean up the leftovers on the ground), he even defended Putin against accusations of humans rights abuses, e.g. how some journalists reporting negatively on Putin had a tendency to end up in jail or dead.

2) He frequently criticized NATO and even entertained the idea of withdrawing the US from the organization. It was part of his America-first strategy, and he tried to sell the idea that NATO needs the US far more than the US needs NATO. Supposedly, NATO was wasting American taxpayer money to prop up the security of European nations. Several of his advisers were convinced that Trump would make a serious effort to withdraw if he had won re-election. It would've been the biggest gift to Putin, since the US is also the biggest supplier of troops, weapons, and funding to NATO.

3) He frequently tried to antagonize the EU and at one point even claimed it was created to take advantage of the US and was therefore a foe of America. This was welcomed by Putin, who tried to sow division among European countries and erode trust in the EU government. Putin had been trying to establish close relationships with various right-wing groups and parties throughout Europe, hoping their nationalism and anti-EU sentiment would help to drive a wedge between the countries and weaken European solidarity, and Trump became kind of a cult hero to some of these groups/parties.

4) He was no friend of Ukraine and had a special dislike for Zelenskyy. The impeachment trial of 2019 was a result of Trump withholding hundreds of millions of dollars from Ukraine as a way to try to blackmail Zelenskyy and Ukraine into digging up dirt on Hunter Biden's business dealings in Ukraine. Of course, in his mind, the impeachment trial was in part Zelenskyy's fault for not being more cooperative with Trump. Trump and Giulliani also tried to push the idea that foreign interference in the 2016 election had come from Ukraine, not Russia, and expected Zelenskyy to officially investigate if he wanted Ukraine to receive the money.

All this considered, Putin thought Trump could be very helpful in helping him tighten his grip on parts of Ukraine, and he had long term plans in Ukraine that involved major infighting in Europe as well as the US pulling out of NATO. The current administration having the complete opposite approach is what made Putin nervous and somehow made him believe that Ukraine would slip away if he didn't invade now. The people who claim that Trump could've stopped this or that Biden is not doing enough seem to overlook the fact that having the US fight Russia directly - e.g. sending American troops to Ukraine, establishing a no-fly zone, etc - is a great way to have the nukes start flying.



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Reply #45 on: March 17, 2022, 02:20:06 PM
Several things wrong with your logic:

1) Crimea was "annexed" in 2014. Who was president? (it wasn't Trump).

2) Who was president when the full scale invasion took place? (it wasn't Trump)

A final thought: to say that the invasion was a "knee jerk reaction" as compared to the Crimea annexation in 2014, proves that Russia, indeed, did have intentions towards Ukraine. And for seasoning, look into Burisma, Hunter Biden and how much experience did Hunter have when selected to be on the board of an oil company? And who is Hunter related to?



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Reply #46 on: March 17, 2022, 02:37:31 PM
how much experience did Hunter have when selected to be on the board of an oil company? And who is Hunter related to?

Oh yeah, good point, good thing he only on the board of an oil company, can you imagine how terrible it would have been if he was giving a senior advisors position in the White House with absolutely no experience with it? Well that would have been outright idiotic wouldn't you say?

The only reason Hunter was even brought into focus is because trump asked President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to investigate him and his activities in exchange for air defense missles, not because of experience or whether or not he was doing a good job.



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Reply #47 on: March 17, 2022, 08:31:35 PM
A final thought: to say that the invasion was a "knee jerk reaction" as compared to the Crimea annexation in 2014, proves that Russia, indeed, did have intentions towards Ukraine.

I'd say Putin has always had some type of intentions towards Ukraine, at least since 2008, when there was first talk about making Georgia and Ukraine NATO members and he started talking about how Ukraine is really part of Russia. But I don't think he cared who the American president was in 2014, but rather who the Ukrainian president was. Viktor Yanukovych was very pro-Russian and I guess Putin hoped to have the same relationship with him and Ukraine as with Lukashenko and Belarus, so there was as little reason for Putin to start grabbing parts of Ukraine as there was for parts of Belarus. If annexing Crimea had been a long-term plan and he perceived Obama as being too weak to stop him, Putin could've just as easily sent his little green men in the years before 2014. What changed was the revolution that ousted Yanukovych and replaced him with Poroshenko, who was very anti-Russian and very pro-European/Western.

...but it wasn't without its consequences, and the American and European sanctions at the time hurt the Russian economy a great deal. Putin had been trying to sanction-proof the economy since then, and the point could be made that another reason he didn't do something like this sooner was that he felt that Russia wasn't yet sufficiently prepared for new sanctions until now. Of course, what he didn't count on was being kicked out of the SWIFT banking system and having much of the corporate world do its best to 'cancel' Russia. Trump and Rex Tillerson used to complain about the sanctions and that they hurt the ability of American companies to invest in Russia, but considering how everyone's been pulling out of Russia faster than if they were suffering from premature ejaculation, apparently even the biggest corporations have moments where the bottom line isn't their absolute priority.



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Reply #48 on: March 17, 2022, 11:37:07 PM
US Military intelligence experts estimate more than 7,000 Russian troops, including four generals, have been killed in the first 20 days of fighting. Source: NYT. That’s more troops than the US lost in Iraq and Afghanistan *combined* in 20 years. Putin will throw more bodies at the problem, but there are reports of Russian soldiers abandoning their tanks and vehicles, and simply walking into the woods. I think when those body bags start coming back to Russia, there is going to be real outrage. Probably why he will bury most of the dead where they fall.

Russia has not taken a single major Ukrainian city. Kyiv had 2.8 million occupants in January.  Think you’re going to take that with door-to-door fighting? Stalingrad only had 850,000 people when the siege began in 1940. I really think Putin greatly overestimated his military strength, and the will of the Ukrainian people.

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Reply #49 on: March 23, 2022, 05:21:28 AM

”You can be mad as a mad dog at the way things went.  You can swear and curse the fates.  But when it comes to the end, you have to let go.” — The Curious Case of Benjamin Button


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Reply #50 on: March 25, 2022, 10:57:54 PM
I see the russian colonel that was run over in a tank by his own men, is being honored by Putin.

For what? Failed invasion or being less visible than a traffic cone?



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Reply #51 on: March 26, 2022, 01:05:54 AM
I see the russian colonel that was run over in a tank by his own men, is being honored by Putin.

For what? Failed invasion or being less visible than a traffic cone?

 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:

Our group went into “occupied” Ukraine today. We took almost 3000 pounds of food to the locals, and led a convoy of 25 vehicles out to the border. Approximately 125 children evacuated. And absolutely no Russian resistance whatsoever.

And Sheila, we got a whole litter of French bulldogs out. They were in a kennel in the basement of a building, so it was so gratifying to see photos of the children loving on these puppies. Everyone will be well fed and safe tonight. I love what I’m doing. It means the world. It’s probably the only admirable thing I have ever done.

”You can be mad as a mad dog at the way things went.  You can swear and curse the fates.  But when it comes to the end, you have to let go.” — The Curious Case of Benjamin Button


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Reply #52 on: March 26, 2022, 02:46:16 AM
Didn't the colonel get run over on purpose, because half his people are dead already and yet Col Dipshitev was like, hey, let's keep trying anyway  ;D



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Reply #53 on: March 26, 2022, 11:15:54 PM
I love what I’m doing. It means the world.

I love what you're doing.🥰🥰🥰



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Reply #54 on: March 27, 2022, 12:29:44 AM
Kudos and thank yous

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Reply #55 on: March 27, 2022, 06:26:54 AM
Trump was a Putin Toady.  He's now suing HRC for supposedly damaging his reputation, when Trump did that all by himself.



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Reply #56 on: March 27, 2022, 02:28:27 PM
Ukraine standing tall against the [G]remlin



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Reply #57 on: March 27, 2022, 05:25:50 PM
I’m waiting to see how the Russia Central Bank hack plays out. And kudos to President Biden for having the balls to say Putin must go. He’s trying to backtrack it now. But I think the world agrees. Putin must go. I just hope we have the moral strength to obtain that objective. Why don’t we put him and Trump together on an island somewhere? They can take turns fucking each others face, between golden showers.

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Reply #58 on: April 11, 2022, 05:56:35 PM
I see Boris Johnson visited Ukraine, and was handed a ceramic rooster that's a "symbol of Ukrainian resistance"

Are we sure it's not just a way of saying he's a gigantic cock?



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Reply #59 on: April 11, 2022, 06:08:03 PM
New York Times reports Putin is going to declare victory in Ukraine in time for Victory in WWII Day, May 9. It’s a huge Russian commemorative holiday, saluting Russia’s “military might.” It seems that he’s backing away from north and central Ukraine, and focusing his attentions on the Donbas region, which has been in an unofficial state of civil war since 2014. There’s a lot of Ukrainian troops down there, and he is trying to encircle them. He’s also elevated a general who gained notoriety in Syria for ruthlessly bombing civilian targets. All of this looks like a lot more bloodshed. And I think the West is already bored with Ukraine. I don’t see nearly as much outrage and attention to this as we did in the early days of the conflict.

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