Pervs in Heaven

[Hotrod216]

I previously posted about lusting in church. Which got me to thinking:  can pervs go to Heaven?  I've eye fucked a lot of women in and out of church. Did God make me this way? And I may have "accidentally " touched the deacons wife's ass during a hug. I would repent but I'd do it again in 5 minutes if I could.

[Pornhubby]

Belinda Carlisle famously sang “Heaven Is a Place on Earth.”

In just a few thousand years, we’ve evolved from primitive nomadic hunter-gatherers, into a species capable of launching radio telescope satellites into space that can reach the edge of the universe. The gods that we created in the former, make no sense in the latter.

Let’s really get down to it. Religion is about control. Controlling people’s behaviors. Controlling their emotions, and controlling their pocketbooks. So I really have no concern about whether or not my perversity will keep me out of a fantasy place, because your imaginary “God” made me this way. So he’s going to throw me into eternal damnation simply for being the person that he apparently screwed up creating? It really makes no sense.

But hey, squeeze that deacon’s wife’s ass. It’ll make her day. Your’s too, maybe.

I firmly believe that there are just some people that are hardwired to need a secret Santa Claus in their life. And if you’re one of those people, hey more power to you. Just don’t tell me I’m going to hell or any other place. Just tend your own garden, and I’ll tend mine. But as I told my mother, “you’re really going to be disappointed when you discover that a lifetime of deferred gratification amounted to nothing.“

[Writers Bloque]

Belinda Carlisle famously sang “Heaven Is a Place on Earth.”

In just a few thousand years, we’ve evolved from primitive nomadic hunter-gatherers, into a species capable of launching radio telescope satellites into space that can reach the edge of the universe. The gods that we created in the former, make no sense in the latter.

Let’s really get down to it. Religion is about control. Controlling people’s behaviors. Controlling their emotions, and controlling their pocketbooks. So I really have no concern about whether or not my perversity will keep me out of a fantasy place, because your imaginary “God” made me this way. So he’s going to throw me into eternal damnation simply for being the person that he apparently screwed up creating? It really makes no sense.


But hey, squeeze that deacon’s wife’s ass. It’ll make her day. Your’s too, maybe.

I firmly believe that there are just some people that are hardwired to need a secret Santa Claus in their life. And if you’re one of those people, hey more power to you. Just don’t tell me I’m going to hell or any other place. Just tend your own garden, and I’ll tend mine. But as I told my mother, “you’re really going to be disappointed when you discover that a lifetime of deferred gratification amounted to nothing.“

 I agree and disagree. Modernity fucked up many faiths. But if you boil away the bad fat of Christianity, the pure leftovers is the core of the faith. Don't be a dick to others, etc. But like I told a co worker who just had to try to push their anti theistic views on me friday, God doesn't allow us to do anything. Its all on us. Freedom of choice. He doesnt want slaves to build shit. He does not want you to be a mindless puppet. Nor is he standing in the dark alley waiting to steal your paycheck. Tithing traditionally was meant to show appreciation for what god had done for you to earn it. ten percent of a paycheck isn't required. Just give something willingly and all is good. People tend to overlook that one passage in the bible that clearly defines us for the good or bad. "You all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of the lord." Does not mean he hates us, just puts our position in perspective. Follow him or not, fuck the girl or not. In the end it really does not matter. Because if you go further then if god was a vengeful as everyone expects him to be, then just the thought of a sin is enough to damn you. I do not believe he is out sparta kicking people to hell on general purposes. But I do not think fucking a girl violates the big 10 laws god set down to the people he told them to, because at the time, if anything is to be believed, god had to flood the world after vaporizing two cities cause they were being asshats. I have not seen any fists of god raining down on us now, and we as a whole are doing a hell of a lot worse than they did. But I like your points, Pornhubby. But control is a little extreme, as he could possibly make us meat puppets, but doesn't. The thing about the control of behaviors is, we kind of needed a set of morals to cling to. Im not going to say that large parts of the churches are not corrupt, but its like throwing out an entire bolt of fabric for a tiny stain on the corner of it. But I respect your Opinion, Porn. So Hotrod216 Live. Just Live as you please. Just don't violate the big 10, and current laws of the land and I think you will be fine.

[Dudester]

I previously posted about lusting in church. Which got me to thinking:  can pervs go to Heaven?  I've eye fucked a lot of women in and out of church. Did God make me this way? And I may have "accidentally " touched the deacons wife's ass during a hug. I would repent but I'd do it again in 5 minutes if I could.

There was a church that I attended for just under 20 years. For the most part, wonderful people. On one of my first weekends at the church I volunteered to help build decks for trailers we were putting in to be part of a aid the homeless organization. It's a Saturday morning. It's very cool, not yet cold. It had recently rained, so, we were working in mud. As I listened to the other men I came to realize that I was the only one there not making a six figure income. These men could have hired someone to work in the mud, but no, they did it.

A church is a place for like minded people to gather and worship together. I liked the pageantry, I liked the music and I enjoyed being around educated people with money that actually cared about other people. My church was all inclusive, except for one thing-you couldn't be gay and be a minister. You could be gay and be part of the congregation. We even had a Sunday school class for the LGBT group that also served as a support group.

The strength of the church was the music program. The choir provided leadership when all else failed. The choir kept people coming to church when one senior pastor was the most boring person on the planet. After he was fired by the church, things went rather swimmingly. The choir even recorded an album and sampled two major works for John Rutter (Rutter is to modern day symphonic church music as Beethoven is to Classical music).

Due to a house fire and a couple of other things I had to leave that part of town. I miss the church.

[Hilda]

The strength of the church was the music program. The choir provided leadership when all else failed. The choir kept people coming to church when one senior pastor was the most boring person on the planet.

Now that is truly fascinating — the excellent choir, not the boring pastor.

You were fortunate to find a church like that.

[Clitical Thinking]

My useless contribution to the thread is that I keep thinking of Eric Clapton when I read "Pervs in Heaven"

Would you hold my cock?
If I saw you in heaven
Would you help me cum?
If I saw you in heaven

Beyond the door
Whips and chains, I'm sure
And I know, there'll be even more
Pervs in heaven

 

[Hotrod216]

Thank you for the insightful words.

[Pornhubby]

I have mentioned my horrific experiences in the Pentecostal church in several other posts. No need to repeat. People ask me how I can be an agnostic Christian, and my answer is, it is an ethos. Everyone needs a set of moral precepts. And I think the fundamental teachings of Christ are excellent. The problem is that the religion based on Christ is absolutely the most antichrist thing imaginable. Sexist, racist, homophobic, misogynistic. It just goes on and on. So you’re not going to find me say anything good about organized religion, nice choir or not. But I do believe that the fundamental truth of life is found in the following: 1. God is love. The Scripture says “he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him. “ 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. Christ said, “On these two laws hang all the laws and the prophets.“ It’s not hard. And yet, we make it so hard. I think Christ comes back every single day, and every single day he’s murdered somewhere for his beliefs. Because we just can’t stand anyone that points out how far we are from Grace. Here endeth the lesson.

[Hilda]

My useless contribution to the thread is that I keep thinking of Eric Clapton when I read "Pervs in Heaven"

My first thought when I saw the title was "War in Heaven", a very odd book from around 1990.

The 'author' wasn't really the author, but a guy who transcribed the channeled messages his girlfriend was receiving from somewhere or other. The book started off weird, and got even weirder, claiming that sports were placed on earth by degenerate lifeforms that lived deep underground, and fed on the emotional energy generated by sports fans.

Thanks, btw, for bring Eric into the discussion. I got to see him just once, playing with Blind Faith. A free open-air concert, no less. After that he began filling stadiums and arenas. One of the all-time greats.

[Hilda]

And I think the fundamental teachings of Christ are excellent. The problem is that the religion based on Christ is absolutely the most antichrist thing imaginable.

I'm struggling to recall bits and pieces I've read over the years, but if I recall correctly, some Biblical scholars have established a timeline of Christ's teaching, and how they developed. They began with no more than Q&As along the lines of "A follower asked Jesus. . . ." & "Jesus replied. . . ." Those teachings are what you describe. The other stuff got added over time.

[watcher1]

My useless contribution to the thread is that I keep thinking of Eric Clapton when I read "Pervs in Heaven"

My first thought when I saw the title was "War in Heaven", a very odd book from around 1990.

The 'author' wasn't really the author, but a guy who transcribed the channeled messages his girlfriend was receiving from somewhere or other. The book started off weird, and got even weirder, claiming that sports were placed on earth by degenerate lifeforms that lived deep underground, and fed on the emotional energy generated by sports fans.

Thanks, btw, for bring Eric into the discussion. I got to see him just once, playing with Blind Faith. A free open-air concert, no less. After that he began filling stadiums and arenas. One of the all-time greats.

Blind Faith? Wow, a very good group from my younger days. I did see Eric Clapton when he was performing alone. He did give a very good performance.  But I did laugh at CT's personal rendition of Tears in Heaven. 

Wasn't it President Carter who said he had lust in his heart?

[staci]

I think it was Franklin Graham.

[Pornhubby]

Actually President Carter did an interview in Playboy Magazine, in which he confessed, “I have looked upon a woman with lust in my heart many times.” Christ said that lust is no better than adultery. Carter was one of the more honest executives we have ever had. 

[Shiela_M]

If I remember correctly the bible was assembled by a committee of scholars and priests or monks, and they picked and chose what goes in and what stays out. So who knows for sure what an "unedited" bible's says. Because of this, my opinion runs along the same lines as Porndaddy... err... pornhubby. There is some kind of control there. Making you think a subject is black and white, when in reality, it could have many shades of grey. They don't force you to act or think a certain way, but sometimes it seems that it favors using fear of damnation over love and acceptance.

As for the question do pervs go to heaven? Of course they do. None of the things that turn you on were chosen. I dont remember being handed a list and choosing sexual orientation, or what does or doesn't turn me on.

"Let's see, I'll take choking, slapping, dont want scat or golden showers, young boys nope, I don't want feet... um incest... is there a subcategory I can choose from cousins but not blood relatives? Oh, anal sex, I'll add that to the list"

I think It's ridiculous to think you'll be punished in the afterlife for feeling a certain way about something you didnt choose. You get aroused by a woman in a sundress... did you sign up for that? No, it just happens.

For me, feeling or thinking something that is considered perverted shouldnt keep you out of heaven.  Acting on something you shouldn't is a whole other story, because that you are choosing to do.

[Clitical Thinking]

I've always thought that, as long as everything is consensual and not hurting anyone, morality has absolutely nothing to do with sex.

So I highly doubt that even participating in a 50 person bisexual orgy, with a couple of midgets pissing on everyone, and a few dobermans running around and plugging holes, would keep anyone out of heaven.

Sure, that might violate some rules of the biblical God, but I also think the biblical God is very much a man-made creation meant to control other people.

[Pornhubby]

[M]y opinion runs along the same lines as Porndaddy... err... pornhubby. There is some kind of control there.

... Oh, anal sex, I'll add that to the list."

Porn daddy approves this message. Now lay on your tummy and spread those cheeks...

 

[Hotrod216]

[M]y opinion runs along the same lines as Porndaddy... err... pornhubby. There is some kind of control there.

... Oh, anal sex, I'll add that to the list."

Porn daddy approves this message. Now lay on your tummy and spread those cheeks...

 

I love this. Anybody we know?

[watcher1]

Actually President Carter did an interview in Playboy Magazine, in which he confessed, “I have looked upon a woman with lust in my heart many times.” Christ said that lust is no better than adultery. Carter was one of the more honest executives we have ever had.

That has always been my feeling about Carter.

[watcher1]

If I remember correctly the bible was assembled by a committee of scholars and priests or monks, and they picked and chose what goes in and what stays out. So who knows for sure what an "unedited" bible's says. Because of this, my opinion runs along the same lines as Porndaddy... err... pornhubby. There is some kind of control there. Making you think a subject is black and white, when in reality, it could have many shades of grey. They don't force you to act or think a certain way, but sometimes it seems that it favors using fear of damnation over love and acceptance.

As for the question do pervs go to heaven? Of course they do. None of the things that turn you on were chosen. I dont remember being handed a list and choosing sexual orientation, or what does or doesn't turn me on.

"Let's see, I'll take choking, slapping, dont want scat or golden showers, young boys nope, I don't want feet... um incest... is there a subcategory I can choose from cousins but not blood relatives? Oh, anal sex, I'll add that to the list"

I think It's ridiculous to think you'll be punished in the afterlife for feeling a certain way about something you didnt choose. You get aroused by a woman in a sundress... did you sign up for that? No, it just happens.

For me, feeling or thinking something that is considered perverted shouldnt keep you out of heaven.  Acting on something you shouldn't is a whole other story, because that you are choosing to do.

Religion relies on guilt to keep people from doing things they, the Church, find reprehensible. They say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of people who have been killed under the guise of religion, except for Thou Shalt Not Kill.

CT - count me in as coming to your bi-bash...

[seeker83]

I've questioned a lot about the nature of eternity and the universe lately.  I used to be a Catholic and thought I was being pious and devout when I really used my religion as a source of identity, a crutch, and a source of control.

I listen to a lot of podcasts about the paranormal, including Jim Harold's Campfire and Astonishing Legends.  Hearing the stories on those two podcasts lead me to question a lot of things.

Do I believe in a life outside of the physical, that we have a soul that moves on to another dimension or something of that nature?  Yes.
I also believe that we have a choice as to what that existence ends up being.  We choose between guilt, shame, and a dark meaningless existence, separation from everyone and everything including any spiritual goodness, and that is hell.
We can also choose to have an eternity of peace and joy, and who knows, maybe even come back to experience life in a different way to learn from our prior mistakes, etc.  So that could be considered Heaven.

In terms of the question at hand, I would argue that yes, people who are "pervs" can go to Heaven or have a peaceful and joyful afterlife existence.  It just depends on one's judgment of one's actions in life and whether to see or choose hope over despair.  Remember that the bible does say that the measure we use to measure others is the same one we'll be measured against?  Well, that is true.  If you would see someone else as being a "perv" but you engage in the same activities as them behind closed doors, then you are actually judging your own actions as "bad" and may end up choosing despair over hope.

Again, keep in mind these are just thoughts I've had recently and they may change over time.