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on: August 22, 2020, 03:55:22 PM
  Seeing the first signs of DEFUNDING in Washington, DC, with the announcement that the "Mounted Police Unit" of DC Police is being disbanded, effective immediately, due to new budget cuts by the City Council, a response to the civil unrest and demonstrations two months ago.

  The Mounted Police Unit has operated for over two decades, in a community relations function, as well as a crowd control function. The Horses and related care functions, as well as buildings on Capitol Hill, will cease to be part of the Police Department, thus their budget.

  The Officers will remain on the DC Police Force, and remain members of the same Police Command, is the current plan.

  The Mounted Police Unit is one of the most popular Units with the public, including children and tourists, who have appreciated this visible 'face' of D.C. Police.

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Reply #1 on: August 22, 2020, 05:51:32 PM

  Seeing the first signs of DEFUNDING in Washington, DC, with the announcement that the "Mounted Police Unit" of DC Police is being disbanded, effective immediately, due to new budget cuts by the City Council, a response to the civil unrest and demonstrations two months ago.

  The Mounted Police Unit has operated for over two decades, in a community relations function, as well as a crowd control function. The Horses and related care functions, as well as buildings on Capitol Hill, will cease to be part of the Police Department, thus their budget.

  The Officers will remain on the DC Police Force, and remain members of the same Police Command, is the current plan.

  The Mounted Police Unit is one of the most popular Units with the public, including children and tourists, who have appreciated this visible 'face' of D.C. Police.



I'm speaking only for myself here, but I would think that "popular" police units that appeal to "children and tourists" are less vital to a cash-strapped district than "effective" police units, that help control and prevent crime.

On top of that, I just read two articles about this "de-funding." While opponents of the disbanding of this unit cite the BLM movement as the reason, the DC City Council, which unanimously approved the cuts, cited a more prosaic reason: "The financial strain that COVID-19 has taken on municipal budgets."









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Reply #2 on: August 22, 2020, 07:02:39 PM

 Seeing the first signs of DEFUNDING in Washington, DC, with the announcement that the "Mounted Police Unit" of DC Police is being disbanded, effective immediately, due to new budget cuts by the City Council, a response to the civil unrest and demonstrations two months ago.

  The Mounted Police Unit has operated for over two decades, in a community relations function, as well as a crowd control function. The Horses and related care functions, as well as buildings on Capitol Hill, will cease to be part of the Police Department, thus their budget.

  The Officers will remain on the DC Police Force, and remain members of the same Police Command, is the current plan.

  The Mounted Police Unit is one of the most popular Units with the public, including children and tourists, who have appreciated this visible 'face' of D.C. Police.



I'm speaking only for myself here, but I would think that "popular" police units that appeal to "children and tourists" are less vital to a cash-strapped district than "effective" police units, that help control and prevent crime.

On top of that, I just read two articles about this "de-funding." While opponents of the disbanding of this unit cite the BLM movement as the reason, the DC City Council, which unanimously approved the cuts, cited a more prosaic reason: "The financial strain that COVID-19 has taken on municipal budgets."









Because the Trump Recession is adversely affecting sales tax and property tax and income tax revenues nationwide, expect this to be replayed 1,000 times between now and the election.  Given the budgetary black hole that most governmental units are falling into, pretty horses, for no longer existing tourists to take photos of, will always be the first victims.

But hey, why not blame that on BLM.  Because scared white people like to blame anything they don’t like on POCs.



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Reply #3 on: September 01, 2020, 06:01:48 PM
grow up, nobody is going to get rid of police no matter how much the criminals wish it would happen.
the entire idea is absurd. can you imagine if we had no police?? it would be like a bunch of animals running wild burning stores and looting and shooting innocent people and destroying property everywhere...it would be a place nobody would want to live.
you could not own a business or feel safe to go outside or let your kids out to play ...graffiti would be all over everything and spray painted gang scribble..
 
why would anyone in their right mind want to stop having police ??

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Reply #4 on: September 01, 2020, 07:23:29 PM
grow up, nobody is going to get rid of police no matter how much the criminals wish it would happen.
the entire idea is absurd. can you imagine if we had no police?? it would be like a bunch of animals running wild burning stores and looting and shooting innocent people and destroying property everywhere...it would be a place nobody would want to live.
you could not own a business or feel safe to go outside or let your kids out to play ...graffiti would be all over everything and spray painted gang scribble..
 
why would anyone in their right mind want to stop having police ??

Defunding the police is not disbanding the police. Do a little research and you would find out it is about restructuring not dismantling.  Getting rid of things that protect officers who abuse their authority.

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Reply #5 on: September 02, 2020, 01:17:29 AM
grow up, nobody is going to get rid of police no matter how much the criminals wish it would happen.
the entire idea is absurd. can you imagine if we had no police?? it would be like a bunch of animals running wild burning stores and looting and shooting innocent people and destroying property everywhere...it would be a place nobody would want to live.
you could not own a business or feel safe to go outside or let your kids out to play ...graffiti would be all over everything and spray painted gang scribble..
 
why would anyone in their right mind want to stop having police ??


without "funds" to pay police who is going to do the job ??

of course defunding is the same as getting rid of them...or they would call it restructure the police not defund them
Defunding the police is not disbanding the police. Do a little research and you would find out it is about restructuring not dismantling.  Getting rid of things that protect officers who abuse their authority.

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Reply #6 on: September 02, 2020, 01:57:27 AM
I googled "defund the police" and this was in the very first link.

“Defund the police” means reallocating or redirecting funding away from the police department to other government agencies funded by the local municipality. That’s it. It’s that simple. Defund does not mean abolish policing. And, even some who say abolish, do not necessarily mean to do away with law enforcement altogether. Rather, they want to see the rotten trees of policing chopped down and fresh roots replanted anew. Camden, New Jersey, is a good example. Nearly a decade ago, Camden disbanded (abolished) its police force and dissolved the local police union. This approach seems to be what Minneapolis will do in some form, though the nuances are important.



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Reply #7 on: September 21, 2020, 04:18:08 PM
Justice Dept. brands NYC an ‘anarchist jurisdiction,’ targets federal funds

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New York City was among three cities labeled “anarchist jurisdictions” by the Justice Department on Sunday and targeted to lose federal money for failing to control protesters and defunding cops, The Post has learned.

Portland, Ore., and Seattle, Wash., were the other two cities on the list, which was approved by US Attorney General William Barr.

“When state and local leaders impede their own law enforcement officers and agencies from doing their jobs, it endangers innocent citizens who deserve to be protected, including those who are trying to peacefully assemble and protest,” Barr said in a statement set to be released Monday.

“We cannot allow federal tax dollars to be wasted when the safety of the citizenry hangs in the balance,’’ the AG added.

“It is my hope that the cities identified by the Department of Justice today will reverse course and become serious about performing the basic function of government and start protecting their own citizens.”

White House budget director Russ Vought is set to issue guidance to federal agencies on withdrawing funds from the cities in less than two weeks.

The list of cities eligible for defunding will be updated periodically, the feds have said.

It is not yet clear what funds are likely to be cut, but the amount of money siphoned from New York City could be massive, given the Big Apple gets about $7 billion in annual federal aid.

The “anarchist’’ designations come after President Trump earlier this month issued a memo ordering financial retribution against cities that have been slashing their police budgets during crime waves, or tolerating violent protests sparked by the May killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police.

At the time, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo infamously reacted by warning Trump he should watch his step in the state.

“He better have an army if he thinks he’s gonna walk down the street in New York,” the Democratic governor said. “He can’t have enough bodyguards to walk through New York City, people don’t want to have anything to do with him.”

The Big Apple made the Justice Department’s list in part because its city council approved a budget in July that cut $1 billion from the NYPD’s $6 billion annual budget — even as murders and shootings in Gotham soared.

In July, the number of shootings in New York City skyrocketed 177 percent over the same period last year, and there was a 59 percent rise in murders. In August, city shootings soared 165 percent, while murders jumped about 50 percent.

The Justice Department said it also considered the fact that at least some of the city’s district attorneys have declined to prosecute people arrested for disorderly conduct and unlawful assembly during recent protests.

Trump, in his Sept. 2 memo, instructed Vought to issue guidance within 30 days “to the heads of agencies on restricting eligibility of or otherwise disfavoring, to the maximum extent permitted by law, anarchist jurisdictions in the receipt of Federal grants.”

Trump administration officials told The Post that reductions to law enforcement efforts are unlikely.

Trump’s memo twice referenced Big Apple Mayor Bill de Blasio by name as it said, “In New York City, city officials have allowed violence to spike.

“In light of this unconscionable rise in violence, I have offered to provide Federal law enforcement assistance, but both Mayor de Blasio and Governor Andrew Cuomo have rejected my offer,” Trump wrote.

“While violence has surged, arrests have plummeted. In a 28-day period during the months of June and July, [New York City] arrests were down 62 percent from the same period in 2019,’’ the presidential memo said.

“Amidst the rising violence, Mayor Bill de Blasio and the New York City Council agreed to cut one billion dollars from the New York Police Department (NYPD) budget, including by cancelling the hiring of 1,163 officers.”

Portland made the “anarchist’’ list over its more than 100 consecutive nights of protests and because Mayor Ted Wheeler expressly rejected federal help in a letter to Trump, the feds said.

The city has been roiled in violence between Black Lives Matter protesters and cops — as well as skirmishes with pro-Trump factions. Aaron Danielson, a supporter of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, was fatally shot by Antifa activist Michael Reinoehl during one protest there at the end of August, before Reinoehl was killed by authorities days later.

The Portland City Council voted to cut its police department budget by at least $15 million in June.

Seattle was included on the Justice Department’s list because of a long-running protester “autonomous zone” and associated crime, the administration said.

Protesters took over a section of the city for nearly a month during the summer — with police told to abandon a precinct in the middle of the area. The city’s police chief called the zone’s occupation “lawless and brutal’’ — amid a slew of shootings there, including some fatal — before the sprawling illegal encampment was finally dismantled.

Meanwhile, Seattle voted in August to cut its police budget by about $3 million.

Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser, whose city was on the initial list of targets, skirted at least the first round of federal funding cuts after moving to make peace with Trump in a recent phone call.

“She’s willing to do whatever is necessary. We had a very good talk with her,” Trump told reporters Sept. 4.

A federal appeals court earlier this year upheld Trump’s attempt to take funding from some “sanctuary cities’’ including New York City that try to protect undocumented workers from federal immigration officials. But three other appeals courts came to the opposite conclusion involving other cities.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said at a recent press briefing that the federal defunding of cities is legal, pointing to a 1987 US Supreme Court decision, South Dakota v. Dole, involving the establishment of a national drinking age of 21.

Trump has said he is making “law and order” a centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

“My Administration will not allow Federal tax dollars to fund cities that allow themselves to deteriorate into lawless zones,” Trump wrote in his memo.

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Reply #8 on: September 21, 2020, 05:45:59 PM
In June, the majority of our City Council took to an open air stage and announced they were going to abolish the police department.

Here we are in September and they've not been able to accomplish anything. They tried to change the city charter that mandates a police force, including the number of officers braised on Minneapolis' population.

The Minneapolis Charter Commission rejected the idea. The plan was to have voters decided the gate of the police department in the November election.
Meanwhile, nearly 100 officers have left the department.ost are claiming PTSD and hoping for medical retirement.

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Reply #9 on: September 27, 2020, 06:34:49 AM
Justice Dept. brands NYC an ‘anarchist jurisdiction,’ targets federal funds

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New York City was among three cities labeled “anarchist jurisdictions” by the Justice Department on Sunday and targeted to lose federal money for failing to control protesters and defunding cops, The Post has learned.

Portland, Ore., and Seattle, Wash., were the other two cities on the list, which was approved by US Attorney General William Barr.

“When state and local leaders impede their own law enforcement officers and agencies from doing their jobs, it endangers innocent citizens who deserve to be protected, including those who are trying to peacefully assemble and protest,” Barr said in a statement set to be released Monday.

“We cannot allow federal tax dollars to be wasted when the safety of the citizenry hangs in the balance,’’ the AG added.

“It is my hope that the cities identified by the Department of Justice today will reverse course and become serious about performing the basic function of government and start protecting their own citizens.”

White House budget director Russ Vought is set to issue guidance to federal agencies on withdrawing funds from the cities in less than two weeks.

The list of cities eligible for defunding will be updated periodically, the feds have said.

It is not yet clear what funds are likely to be cut, but the amount of money siphoned from New York City could be massive, given the Big Apple gets about $7 billion in annual federal aid.

The “anarchist’’ designations come after President Trump earlier this month issued a memo ordering financial retribution against cities that have been slashing their police budgets during crime waves, or tolerating violent protests sparked by the May killing of George Floyd by Minnesota police.

At the time, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo infamously reacted by warning Trump he should watch his step in the state.

“He better have an army if he thinks he’s gonna walk down the street in New York,” the Democratic governor said. “He can’t have enough bodyguards to walk through New York City, people don’t want to have anything to do with him.”

The Big Apple made the Justice Department’s list in part because its city council approved a budget in July that cut $1 billion from the NYPD’s $6 billion annual budget — even as murders and shootings in Gotham soared.

In July, the number of shootings in New York City skyrocketed 177 percent over the same period last year, and there was a 59 percent rise in murders. In August, city shootings soared 165 percent, while murders jumped about 50 percent.

The Justice Department said it also considered the fact that at least some of the city’s district attorneys have declined to prosecute people arrested for disorderly conduct and unlawful assembly during recent protests.

Trump, in his Sept. 2 memo, instructed Vought to issue guidance within 30 days “to the heads of agencies on restricting eligibility of or otherwise disfavoring, to the maximum extent permitted by law, anarchist jurisdictions in the receipt of Federal grants.”

Trump administration officials told The Post that reductions to law enforcement efforts are unlikely.

Trump’s memo twice referenced Big Apple Mayor Bill de Blasio by name as it said, “In New York City, city officials have allowed violence to spike.

“In light of this unconscionable rise in violence, I have offered to provide Federal law enforcement assistance, but both Mayor de Blasio and Governor Andrew Cuomo have rejected my offer,” Trump wrote.

“While violence has surged, arrests have plummeted. In a 28-day period during the months of June and July, [New York City] arrests were down 62 percent from the same period in 2019,’’ the presidential memo said.

“Amidst the rising violence, Mayor Bill de Blasio and the New York City Council agreed to cut one billion dollars from the New York Police Department (NYPD) budget, including by cancelling the hiring of 1,163 officers.”

Portland made the “anarchist’’ list over its more than 100 consecutive nights of protests and because Mayor Ted Wheeler expressly rejected federal help in a letter to Trump, the feds said.

The city has been roiled in violence between Black Lives Matter protesters and cops — as well as skirmishes with pro-Trump factions. Aaron Danielson, a supporter of the right-wing group Patriot Prayer, was fatally shot by Antifa activist Michael Reinoehl during one protest there at the end of August, before Reinoehl was killed by authorities days later.

The Portland City Council voted to cut its police department budget by at least $15 million in June.

Seattle was included on the Justice Department’s list because of a long-running protester “autonomous zone” and associated crime, the administration said.

Protesters took over a section of the city for nearly a month during the summer — with police told to abandon a precinct in the middle of the area. The city’s police chief called the zone’s occupation “lawless and brutal’’ — amid a slew of shootings there, including some fatal — before the sprawling illegal encampment was finally dismantled.

Meanwhile, Seattle voted in August to cut its police budget by about $3 million.

Washington, DC, Mayor Muriel Bowser, whose city was on the initial list of targets, skirted at least the first round of federal funding cuts after moving to make peace with Trump in a recent phone call.

“She’s willing to do whatever is necessary. We had a very good talk with her,” Trump told reporters Sept. 4.

A federal appeals court earlier this year upheld Trump’s attempt to take funding from some “sanctuary cities’’ including New York City that try to protect undocumented workers from federal immigration officials. But three other appeals courts came to the opposite conclusion involving other cities.

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said at a recent press briefing that the federal defunding of cities is legal, pointing to a 1987 US Supreme Court decision, South Dakota v. Dole, involving the establishment of a national drinking age of 21.

Trump has said he is making “law and order” a centerpiece of his re-election campaign.

“My Administration will not allow Federal tax dollars to fund cities that allow themselves to deteriorate into lawless zones,” Trump wrote in his memo.



This makes perfect sense, defund those who support crime and arson and looting just like sanctions against those who support isis and the like.
its disgraceful the way these animals are acting, people can't even go out to dinner with their family and live in peace.
this younger generation has no respect anymore, i blame these cell phones and internet and parents not spanking or teaching their children how to behave in a civilized manner.. and these news shows always trying to blame racism or other people for the poor parenting that produced these degenerates and hoodlums.
one day they will grow up and want to buy stock and get jobs and get married and save for retirement and have a family and a normal American life ...but they may never get the chance if they keep down this path.

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Reply #10 on: October 07, 2020, 02:40:30 AM
I removed a Non Sequitur political meme posted by eater.  Unless the meme is specifically related to the discussion please keep them in the mindless political meme thread.
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