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Reply #140 on: June 03, 2020, 11:17:59 PM
OMG! I just agreed with something Joan wrote. :facepalm:


It'll happen from time to time, it's the underlying meaning that counts.:emot_kiss:

Joan had a moment of clarity
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Reply #141 on: June 03, 2020, 11:30:54 PM

The diatribe serves to only inflame, should anyone believe its contents, and gives no context, no time line, and is a good example of speech intended to create commotion, and hate.


That describes almost all of the posts you've made here over the past several years...








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Reply #142 on: June 04, 2020, 12:44:36 AM
  "...That describes almost all of the posts you've made here over the past several years..."

MissBarbara, thank you for the opinion, quoting a portion of my comment on the "chain letter" style "pass it along" flyer or poster to which my comment was attached.

I take it, since you did not address my specific comment regarding the 'chain letter' style 'flyer' that you may actually agree with my comment in its regard.

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Reply #143 on: June 04, 2020, 01:37:17 AM
Lois,

As for Chicago, yes the bridges were raised in order for the police to maintain a reasonable amount of order as they were being spread thin by those using the protest for looting and vandalism. By raising the bridges, they separated groups from coming into the downtown area and prevented those already there from escaping.

As for tear gas, the new police chief has stated they did not use tear gas because it is highly inflammable and with many fires in the area, using tear gas would be counterproductive.

As of Monday, arrests were closer to 500, maybe more if you add in all the other areas in the suburbs and collar counties where looting and such occurred.

One nice thing out of this horrible occurrence was the number of people showing up early in the mornings after each night of rioting, helping store owners and others in cleaning up the glass and other debris. People still care.

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Reply #144 on: June 04, 2020, 01:59:36 AM
We've seen the same thing here Rick.

With so many grocery stores burned, looted or boarded up for protection, there was a food shortage. No public transportation made it impossible to go somewhere else.

A community organization sent out a call for 85 bags of food. Well, they ended up with 20 thousand!

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Reply #145 on: June 04, 2020, 03:20:11 AM

Detroit police have brutally beaten, tear gassed and arrested my friends peacefully protesting. A curfew is set from 8pm to 5am city wide.

Detroit police have shown great restraint.  In the last 3 days, there was a report of police firing a (single) tear gas round into crowd.  Chief Craig gave specific orders that no tear gas was to be fired.   It is under investigation, but after 48 hours the investigation has not confirmed the tear gas discharge.  They believe it was set off by a protestor.   Looting in Detroit has not taken place.  There have been arrests, but those allegedly are those being aggressive toward the officers.   There have also been many arrests for curfew violations.

(Knock on wood) Detroit has faired pretty well.   There have been broken windows and some damaged cars, but not to the extent seen in other cities.   Chief Craig is a black, our mayor is white.  They have worked very well together and gotten their message to the crowd.

Speaking of our mayor though.  Protestors will be in front of the mayoral mansion tomorrow to protest the curfew violation arrests.   The organizers are upset that the stay at home order (which is a type of curfew) resulted in no arrests when people were protesting in our capital about the handling of restrictions in the state due to Covid.  It was mainly white citizens protesting there.     Yet, there have been many many arrests in Detroit for curfew violations, mainly black citizens.

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Reply #146 on: June 04, 2020, 03:59:33 PM

  "...That describes almost all of the posts you've made here over the past several years..."

MissBarbara, thank you for the opinion, quoting a portion of my comment on the "chain letter" style "pass it along" flyer or poster to which my comment was attached.

I take it, since you did not address my specific comment regarding the 'chain letter' style 'flyer' that you may actually agree with my comment in its regard.



Three things:

1) Your hypocrisy was astonishingly blatant.

2) KB is neither a scholarly, peer-reviewed journal nor a PhD dissertation. It is an opinion board. Being outraged that someone expressed an opinion on an opinion board seems to be missing a very important point.

3) Nowhere did you criticize, comment upon, or indicates mistakes of reasoning or fact in the OP. You simply declared it should not have been posted here. Anyone who even modestly supports free speech should be disturbed when a KB member proclaims that  a post should be removed from the board solely due to its content.






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Reply #147 on: June 04, 2020, 08:30:24 PM

Tom Cotton: Send In the Troops
The nation must restore order. The military stands ready.

By Tom Cotton
Mr. Cotton, a Republican, is a United States senator from Arkansas.

June 3, 2020

This week, rioters have plunged many American cities into anarchy, recalling the widespread violence of the 1960s.

New York City suffered the worst of the riots Monday night, as Mayor Bill de Blasio stood by while Midtown Manhattan descended into lawlessness. Bands of looters roved the streets, smashing and emptying hundreds of businesses. Some even drove exotic cars; the riots were carnivals for the thrill-seeking rich as well as other criminal elements.

Outnumbered police officers, encumbered by feckless politicians, bore the brunt of the violence. In New York State, rioters ran over officers with cars on at least three occasions. In Las Vegas, an officer is in “grave” condition after being shot in the head by a rioter. In St. Louis, four police officers were shot as they attempted to disperse a mob throwing bricks and dumping gasoline; in a separate incident, a 77-year-old retired police captain was shot to death as he tried to stop looters from ransacking a pawnshop. This is “somebody’s granddaddy,” a bystander screamed at the scene.

Some elites have excused this orgy of violence in the spirit of radical chic, calling it an understandable response to the wrongful death of George Floyd. Those excuses are built on a revolting moral equivalence of rioters and looters to peaceful, law-abiding protesters. A majority who seek to protest peacefully shouldn’t be confused with bands of miscreants.

But the rioting has nothing to do with George Floyd, whose bereaved relatives have condemned violence. On the contrary, nihilist criminals are simply out for loot and the thrill of destruction, with cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes.

These rioters, if not subdued, not only will destroy the livelihoods of law-abiding citizens but will also take more innocent lives. Many poor communities that still bear scars from past upheavals will be set back still further.

One thing above all else will restore order to our streets: an overwhelming show of force to disperse, detain and ultimately deter lawbreakers. But local law enforcement in some cities desperately needs backup, while delusional politicians in other cities refuse to do what’s necessary to uphold the rule of law.

The pace of looting and disorder may fluctuate from night to night, but it’s past time to support local law enforcement with federal authority. Some governors have mobilized the National Guard, yet others refuse, and in some cases the rioters still outnumber the police and Guard combined. In these circumstances, the Insurrection Act authorizes the president to employ the military “or any other means” in “cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws.”

This venerable law, nearly as old as our republic itself, doesn’t amount to “martial law” or the end of democracy, as some excitable critics, ignorant of both the law and our history, have comically suggested. In fact, the federal government has a constitutional duty to the states to “protect each of them from domestic violence.” Throughout our history, presidents have exercised this authority on dozens of occasions to protect law-abiding citizens from disorder. Nor does it violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which constrains the military’s role in law enforcement but expressly excepts statutes such as the Insurrection Act.

After thousands of whites rioted in Oxford, Miss., in 1962 to prevent integration of the University of Mississippi, President John Kennedy sent U.S. troops to quell the violence.

For instance, during the 1950s and 1960s, Presidents Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson called out the military to disperse mobs that prevented school desegregation or threatened innocent lives and property. This happened in my own state.

Gov. Orval Faubus, a racist Democrat, mobilized our National Guard in 1957 to obstruct desegregation at Little Rock Central High School. President Eisenhower federalized the Guard and called in the 101st Airborne in response. The failure to do so, he said, “would be tantamount to acquiescence in anarchy.”

More recently, President George H.W. Bush ordered the Army’s Seventh Infantry and 1,500 Marines to protect Los Angeles during race riots in 1992. He acknowledged his disgust at Rodney King’s treatment — “what I saw made me sick” — but he knew deadly rioting would only multiply the victims, of all races and from all walks of life.

Not surprisingly, public opinion is on the side of law enforcement and law and order, not insurrectionists. According to a recent poll, 58 percent of registered voters, including nearly half of Democrats and 37 percent of African-Americans, would support cities’ calling in the military to “address protests and demonstrations” that are in “response to the death of George Floyd.” That opinion may not appear often in chic salons, but widespread support for it is fact nonetheless.

The American people aren’t blind to injustices in our society, but they know that the most basic responsibility of government is to maintain public order and safety. In normal times, local law enforcement can uphold public order. But in rare moments, like ours today, more is needed, even if many politicians prefer to wring their hands while the country burns.

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Reply #148 on: June 04, 2020, 08:45:37 PM
 Seems "looting and rioting, other boorish behavior is the answer, as this behavior requires no social distancing at all, nor a mask at all, just no big deal in the cities where citizens and others have demonstrated, this week, without any restriction, enforcement, or criticism from the Politicians and Health Experts.

  Just wade right in with your comrades, do as you may wish, set fires, use fire works, breath gas and smoke, and other chemicals used in a defensive manner by authorities, without any counseling regarding your behavior.

  What are you all waiting for? Get yourself a Placcard, make some signs, grab some burglary tools, and hit the streets. Curfew? Hahahaha, no big deal.

  Social distancing?

Not for demonstrators and not for looters, only for shoppers, chumps who actually listen to instructions, forget that Yellow Tape on the floor being enforced by store employes.. don't dare push your cart too close, use the Tape Markings or BE ThrownOut of the Store, except for those who set fires, and loot the store shelves... no quotas enforced, take all the eggs you want... need some permanent markers?

  No problem, Aisle 19, take all you can carry...

  You law abiding citizens, and other chumps, GET BACK IN LINE, or steal what you want, your choice.

  Looting Charges? Hahaha, Court will toss it. Riot Charge? How dare they!
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Reply #149 on: June 04, 2020, 08:56:26 PM
Honey, why? You know you're just going to get insulted and berated for this.  :facepalm:
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Reply #150 on: June 04, 2020, 11:24:32 PM
The first three ex cops, charged with abetting in the murder of George Floyd were apprehended and jailed last night. They made their first appearance in court this afternoon.

The judge set bail at one million dollars without conditions or 750 thousand dollars with conditions one of which would be to surrender their guns.

Derek Chauvin doesn't make his first court appearance until Monday. He's held in the state's maximum security prison for security reasons.

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Reply #151 on: June 05, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
As all four ex- policemen are now jailed and charged, I'm starting a new thread to post what follows. Prosecution is expected to take months and there will be other developments too.

Already the charged ex-cops are pointing fingers. The attorneys for the two rookies, only weeks on the job, said their clients had no choice but to obey their superior officer.  Ex-office Thao is said to be cooperating with authorities.

Much more to follow

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Reply #152 on: June 05, 2020, 07:11:48 PM
What a perfect storm of events.

In the middle of a pandemic when so many have become ill,
or lost loved ones,
have lost their jobs,
are so worried financially,
have had their lives turned upside down in so many ways,
have been stuck inside enduring so much stress,
have seen political divisions like never before,
have had their views polarized,
have become enraged by all of it to the breaking point,
it didn’t take much to light the fuse,
to unleash that anger,
to be exploited by those that hate,
be it anarchists or racists,
or criminals looking to profit,
or the recently destitute desperate to get by,
and those few ‘bad apples’ as they’re called pushing and shoving,
knocking peaceful protesters to the ground,
shooting them with rubber bullets and irritating gas,
even women and the elderly,
destroying water and medical supplies,
and a leader that pours gas on the flames,
that exploits and sows ever more division when he should heal,
and threatens to use the military,
and does obtuse photo ops with the Bible,
upside down and backwards no less,
proving he not only didn’t read it, but didn’t even look at his prop before holding it up for his op,
it’s no wonder it happened.

I’m still heartened in many ways,
black leaders thrilled to point out the white people joining and even outnumbering them in the peaceful protests,
condemnation of the criminality,
police showing support, fist bumping protestors,
asking how can they help, kneeling in support,
and even joining the peaceful protests,
and the ‘bad apples’ actions being documented leading to suspensions, firings and arrest,
and former generals of this administration condemning the divisiveness,
affirming our constitution, and that agreeing Trump is a threat,
and another Republican senator having enough of him too.

And Trump’s poll numbers dropping.
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Reply #153 on: June 05, 2020, 11:40:37 PM

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Reply #154 on: June 06, 2020, 12:08:00 AM
I think Tom Cotton needs a lobotomy.  If he can't control his emotions and use logic he should forfeit his right to a frontal cortex.

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Reply #155 on: June 06, 2020, 07:20:56 AM



https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/black-lives-matter-dc-street-white-house-trnd/index.html

The street Trump had cleared for his photo op belongs to the city of DC.



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Reply #156 on: June 06, 2020, 07:38:30 AM






They were only following orders.. . . shoving an elderly man down, cracking his head open so that he’s bleeding from the ear, and then ignoring him while he bleeds in critical condition.

It’s what’s known as the Nuremberg defense.



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Reply #157 on: June 06, 2020, 07:55:13 AM


The police showing class and taking a knee.



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Reply #158 on: June 06, 2020, 05:47:22 PM
As I am sure you KNOW, @Jed_, the demonstrator who refused to follow police orders, instead went in a different direction than was ordered clearly, was seen by the front line Officers, who knew that by the third or fourth line in their rank, there were Medics, trained and in position to assist anyone who obtained injury during the ordered clearance maneuvers.

 Clearly the man who fell, and injured his head, had no intention to be at his Home by Curfew, and was acting opposite Police Orders, and thus was encouraged to pay attention to the Orders, in the usual manner front line Police may use when confronted with belligerent unwilling persons who are in the front line of a unruly mob.

 Civil commotion is a place where persons put themselves at risk of injury, willingly, by placing themselves in that space. When you watched the video, heard the Police Orders barked over the Bullhorns, and saw the front line of Enforcement Officers surge forward, what exactly did you think was happening?

 Was this the time for whispered discussion? Clearly not. That time had passed, and the Order was being backed up with Force, as happens when people refuse such Orders, over and over again, and in fact head in a direction opposite from the Order by the Authorities.

 Was the demonstrator, the law breaker, following the existing law regarding social distancing for Corona Virus? He clearly was going to violate Curfew, by remaining at the now-closed venue beyond the designated time. I trust the medics in the Police group attended to his immediate needs (bleeding, breathing, poison, shock) and sought further attention for him at the jail, or as may have been needed.

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Reply #159 on: June 06, 2020, 06:10:45 PM
 16th Street is interrupted when it reaches Lafayette Park, the Federal Park which was being severely vandalized by 'some', and therefor was ordered cleared and closed by AG Barr.

  Our dear Mayor ordered various city employees to use Yellow Marking Paint and deface the traffic lanes for several blocks North of the White House, and Federal Lafayette Park location, and had signs made, and installed, declaring those blocks as a BLM Memorial, I forget the exact language.

  I presume when sanity prevails, the traffic lanes on 16th Street, which  feed east and west bound Streets will need to be addressed, so some rational traffic may proceed there, including Bus traffic, and the Mayor's stunt will be added to other various actions taken by other past DC politicians. Marion Barry comes to mind as one who always had a trick up his sleeve.

  In order to paint a single Green Stripe, for the three blocks near the Monuments and Reviewing Stand for the St. Patrick's Day Parade, a document nearly 50 pages long, backed by a prepaid Insurance Policy for damages, and the hiring of an Environmental Specialist Company to clear off the paint within one hour following the Parade was necessary.

The cost was prohibitive.

And so there is no Green Stripe for the three blocks of the St. Pat's Day Parade in Washington, DC. It took months to negotiate that agreement and get all the various City and Federal Agency sign-offs, required custom made Paint which should 'a drop' be spilled, and find its way into a sewer line, and eventually into the Chesapeake Bay, to affect breeding of the 'whatevers' there, etc. etc. etc.

 On the other hand, participants in the St. Patricks'Day Parade were not looting and setting fire to the city in it's aftermath, either, nor were those citizens and tourists who came to our city to attend that event.

 Just sayin'...    Hey, maybe next year...
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