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member · **on:** July 22, 2010, 08:58:33 AM

iPhone 4

Droid Incredible

watcher1 · **Reply #1 on:** July 22, 2010, 01:54:10 PM

When asked to explain the IPhone 4 calling problems, a tech on a news show said that most people buy these IPhones for the other capabilities, rather than the phone. What Andrew had alluded to.

RopeFiend · **Reply #2 on:** July 22, 2010, 02:07:14 PM

Quote from: watcher1 on July 22, 2010, 01:54:10 PM

... a tech on a news show said that most people buy these IPhones for the other capabilities, rather than the phone...

Boggled... I buy a phone primarily for a PHONE. The bells and whistles are simply extra treats. If it won't call out, it's a doorstop or an anchor (whichever one I need most at the time.)

My first impression on seeing the test results on the "death grip" problem is exactly what Apple is apparently doing with the new phones: they put a non-conductive tape over the metal in that area. Adding an unintended 100pF capacitor (the human body) to any RF circuit is sure to bugger-all the antenna.

http://www.gadgetsdna.com/the-iphone-4-antenna-problem-silently-fixed/4664/

Of course they won't ever ADMIT that in public, or they'd have to replace ALL of the phones with the TERRIBLE FUCKING DESIGN that they foisted off on the unwary public.

mara101 · **Reply #3 on:** July 22, 2010, 08:24:02 PM

Love my iPhone and iPad. Seriously, both are awesome. However...I hate iTunes soo much it may be a deal breaker. I dropped around 900 for the iPad all said and done, but I hate iTunes so much that I've thought about letting is just wash out to sea.

watcher1 · **Reply #4 on:** July 22, 2010, 10:14:25 PM

Quote from: mara101 on July 22, 2010, 08:24:02 PM

Love my iPhone and iPad. Seriously, both are awesome. However...I hate iTunes soo much it may be a deal breaker. I dropped around 900 for the iPad all said and done, but I hate iTunes so much that I've thought about letting is just wash out to sea.

lol, mara - the 21st Century version of the message in the bottle is now an IPhone with abandoned ITunes.

member · **Reply #5 on:** July 23, 2010, 04:13:16 AM

Mara at least is cool. I LOVE my iPhone. Death grip is no big deal. Apple is giving out free cases/ and or bumpers so hush. It's all good : )

mara101 · **Reply #6 on:** July 23, 2010, 06:13:44 AM

lol. Not long after I wrote that above, I talked a friend into an iPad so hers and mine can be friends. I'm a such a poser whore.

member · **Reply #7 on:** July 23, 2010, 09:42:20 AM

Grm · **Reply #8 on:** July 23, 2010, 11:12:52 AM

I agree with RF on this one, a mobile phone an essential in modern life, is just that a phone, I cannot see for the life of me why people send text messages when all they have to do is call their number and speak to them in person.
On a side note:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jul/23/foursquare

RopeFiend · **Reply #9 on:** July 23, 2010, 04:46:00 PM

That whole 'text messaging lifestyle' has me frustrated. My (ancient) phone doesn't do it at all well, and it takes me 20 to 50 times as long to transfer a simple message that way, ESPECIALLY since the freakin' phone keeps wanting to 'help' me by suggesting the wrong word, forcing me to backspace and say "NO YOU PIECE OF SHIT, THIS WORD!!"

Inflection is an important part of conversation, letting you know much more than the simple basics of the sentence. It significantly reduces the misunderstandings that the bare words themselves might convey. >Here<, I can use bolding, italics, case and even bracket parts of a sentence with asterisks or <> to clarify what I'm saying. With a text message? Not possible, at least not with MY phone in any reasonable amount of time. Also, the long lag time between messages means that a brief 30 second conversation between two people could suddenly take 10 minutes or more via text. AAAARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!

A friend of mine was texting the hell out of me, and I begged her to stop. It's hideously painful for me to text, and since I don't have a bulk text plan it was costing me 10 cents per text. She looked absolutely amazed and said "Well, how do YOU talk to your friends and family??", so I pulled out the phone and said "I *CALL* them".

I guess the 5 dollar a month charge for unlimited texting is cheaper if you're dead broke and can't afford several hundred minutes of talk time, but I'm willing to pay the extra every month for the convenience of voice. Technology should SIMPLIFY your life, not make a drudgery out of it.

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And yes, that personal geolocation thing with the built-in GPS on the phones has me disturbed, for ALL sorts of privacy reasons. Even without it, the phone company can tell within a few block radius where you are: they know the tower, the rough direction from the tower (there are 8 quadrants for direction) and the distance (signal strength) for a coarse positional fix. Fortunately, that's normally only available in emergency situations or if there's a court order for the police to track you. Giving your exact GPS location to the whole farking WORLD full of Preverts is... insane.

You: "Hello, boss? I won't be in to work today; I'm just not feeling very well."

Boss: "That's funny, as I see from your Foursquare page location that you're in the waiting line to go into Disneyland..."

Yeah, NO WAY would I ever let my continual GPS location go out to the whole world. Some technologies are best left underutilized.

watcher1 · **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2010, 07:27:46 PM

RF - Is the GPS activated only when the phone is on? Really nothing new with the cellphones. They have had a system like that in place for years. Just upgraded it to GPS, I guess.

member · **Reply #11 on:** July 23, 2010, 11:07:14 PM

Still love my iPhone. :p

Melissa · **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2010, 01:59:35 AM

Droid.

But, my company provides my phone without charge. At least until the IRS takes over the world.

Meanwhile, I will not be assimilated.

buddyChrist · **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2010, 06:50:59 AM

buddyChrist · **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2010, 07:06:15 AM

I use a small carrier that is awesome, and they just got the droid in. I checked it out, and I love it. My Windows Mobile phone needed to use the web for about everything, and a lot of sites did not support the browser well.
The droid has so many apps to DL, and I have yet to pay for a single one. Plus, I can replace the battery without having the ship it somewhere, and I can change the memory card on my own. Iphone needs to have trained techs do it, or no warranty. For a company that was so worried about MS controlling the world, all Apple wants to do it control their own little world, absolutely. I have never heard of a company that made you send in a device just to replace a battery. That is the reason I do not have a ipod. Give me any other device.

Redhead01 · **Reply #15 on:** July 24, 2010, 07:48:09 AM

I have a Droid Eris, its pretty damn awesome, not gonna lie. iPhone is extremely overrated. I want a phone so I can talk to my friends and do shit without needing a computer. iPhone is a smaller computer, plain and simple, Droid is also a phone, which is a total plus. But honestly I have no clue what I'm talking about.

member · **Reply #16 on:** July 24, 2010, 07:54:51 AM

The droid is the same thing! It's a computer! I just think the iPhone is a better one.

Alice · **Reply #17 on:** July 24, 2010, 11:32:51 AM

Wasn't too impressed with the Droid incredible for battery life issues, but the Droid x? Way prefer it to the new iPhone. I have friends with both, and just put my name down for the new Droid because I've played with both. Only negative thing about it is its size, and I'm not going to complain just because it's a bit bigger.

sahb · **Reply #18 on:** July 24, 2010, 03:05:57 PM

Damn, that's my "Size isn't important" theory out the window then!

PS - iphones rule!

RopeFiend · **Reply #19 on:** July 24, 2010, 03:30:46 PM

Quote from: watcher1 on July 23, 2010, 07:27:46 PM

RF - Is the GPS activated only when the phone is on? Really nothing new with the cellphones. They have had a system like that in place for years. Just upgraded it to GPS, I guess.

<geek mode>

As far as I'm aware (guessing from an engineering standpoint) it undoubtedly only does a positional fix when you (open it, bring it out of standby, whatever) because the GPS chip draws WAY more power than the phone itself. Then, if you're running Google Maps or a similar mapping app, it goes into continuous mode, rapidly running down your battery in a couple of hours or so if you're not on a powered hands-free mount or tether in your car.

There are two different versions of GPS implemented in phones: aGPS and sGPS. The aGPS stands for 'assisted GPS' which does a data squirt to the tower to get a rough location (within a few miles) with tells you which GPS satellites are in view, so you can get a nearly instantaneous lock-on. The other version is sGPS (stand-alone GPS) which doesn't require a tower or cell service for the initial fix; it goes into a typical 'cold start' GPS seek mode which can take up to 3 minutes to discern which satellites are in view and where you are. sGPS is MUCH more power hungry than aGPS because the GPS chip is running constantly until it gets a fix.

Of course, the Google Maps applet requires an Internet / data connection service to work... it won't run if you're solely in sGPS mode without a tower nearby and a data connection or data roaming.

</geek mode>

iPhone VS. Droid

Melissa