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Reply #120 on: March 04, 2020, 06:47:11 PM
First it was Hillary Clinton's minions ganging up on Bernie Sanders in 2016. Now it is all the also rans climbing on board the Joe Biden wagon to maybe deprive Sanders of another shot at the Presidency.  Sanders could get a complex if this keeps up.  ;D

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Reply #121 on: March 04, 2020, 08:07:29 PM
Sure the establishment would prefer a moderate Democrat, but nothing is "rigged" in their favor this time or in 2016.

Hillary had the most delegates in 2016, and we are still waiting to find out what happens this year.  Whomover gets the most delegates wins.

I mean WTF that the GOP is trying to make "a thing" of a non-issue?  And it's not like the GOP has room to talk.  They rigged their primaries by deciding in advance Trump would be their candidate and cancelled most of their primaries.



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Reply #122 on: March 04, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
  Democrat Party elites have decided they would rather lose to Trump with a supposed Moderate, traditional long time Democrat like Biden, and each of them go back to milking the Treasury in their regular jobs, regular 'status' maintained, than lose to Trump with a decided populist radical like Bernie, then have to deal with the "new Democrats" versus 'traditional' Democrats, and the upset that may cause to the elite's power and status, and taxpayer paid employment.

  Joe becomes the sacrificial lamb, with a VP by acclimation to draw accolades, and the Party can go lick their wounds, and plot the demise of President Trump anew.

  Bloomberg will fund Biden, for the rest of the passion play, so that is covered.
No need for other significant donors, so little opposition from the donor base.

  Joe lives to gaffe from now until November, sort of sentimental Nominee. Can practice telling the difference between his Wife and his Sister... (If he were to adopt Ilhan Omar's position, his wife could be his sister, lol...)

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Reply #123 on: March 05, 2020, 02:05:29 PM
Sure the establishment would prefer a moderate Democrat, but nothing is "rigged" in their favor this time or in 2016.

Not necessarily rigged but heavily persuaded by the DNC to go with the candidate they prefer.

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Reply #124 on: March 05, 2020, 03:44:10 PM
Sure the establishment would prefer a moderate Democrat, but nothing is "rigged" in their favor this time or in 2016.

Not necessarily rigged but heavily persuaded by the DNC to go with the candidate they prefer.


It’s the DNC’s job to do what is best for the party by winning elections.  If it’s viewed as subverting the will of the people, that is counterproductive to that goal.

That said, there’s an irrational portion of Sanders supporters that will claim ‘cheating again’ if Sanders does not get the nomination, regardless of the circumstances including action or inaction by the DNC.



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Reply #125 on: March 05, 2020, 05:06:39 PM
Fauxcohontas will announce the end of her Campaign today, as there is no money to pay for Staff, and the PAC who has been paying her 1000 Union Staffers will no longer waste their money.

Will she endorse anyone?

Does it matter?

Does anyone care, after she lost her own State badly? Liz will cut her losses, and screech about something else for a while, no doubt.

MA voters told the Senator, thank you for your service. Get back to work, pls...

BTW, she leaked it to the NY Times, rather than tell her beloved staffers first.

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Reply #126 on: March 05, 2020, 05:20:17 PM
I keep seeing people say ‘Don’t count on Warren’s support shifting to Sanders’ even before her campaign just announced it is ending, as if it was a given it would.  I also think those saying that are possibly underestimating that ‘lack of shift’.  The typical Warren supporter is educated and pragmatic.

I’m actually rather pleased that those that are done are accepting that reality with grace.



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Reply #127 on: March 05, 2020, 05:33:20 PM
  Seems the sequence was, Liz told Chairman Schiff of her decision, and then the NY Times mysteriously learned the information, and broadcast it widely.

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Reply #128 on: March 05, 2020, 06:18:23 PM
I think that Warren’s three supporters are much more likely to fall behind Bernie Sanders, than they are to come across the aisle to Biden. So I don’t know that this improves Biden’s chances, but it certainly clarifies the field. My only concern is whether or not the “Bernie or Bust“ faction will stay away from the polls again. We aren’t plotting against your candidate. We are plotting against your candidate’s platform.



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Reply #129 on: March 05, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
We aren’t plotting against your candidate. We are plotting against your candidate’s platform.


It’s not even that.  When confronted with the worst president in American history possibly extended his tyranny, you do what makes the most sense.





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Reply #130 on: March 05, 2020, 07:08:26 PM
Warren Returns To Tribe In Shame After Failing To Take Land Back From The Pale Faces


A good chuckle. The Cherokee expressed mixed emotions at seeing Warren return, from "Who are you?" to "How many times do we have to tell you that if you're not gonna play some slots at the casino, then you're gonna need to leave?”



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Reply #131 on: March 06, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
I find all this angst from Warren and supporters to be misplaced.  I also find it a bit absurd she and others view her failed candidacy as a repudiation of a woman president.  That two older white men top the Democrats is also not a repudiation of diversity within the party.

While even acknowledging that the last Democrat nominee was a woman, they’re still trying to make this assertion.  It’s absurd.  Hillary wasn’t just the last nominee, she won the popular vote.  And she would have won the election if it weren’t for a thoroughly despicable and false propaganda assault from the right.  And the two candidates prior leading the field for the nomination were a woman and a black man, one of which won two terms.

My first choice back when this all started admittedly fluctuated, but was most consistently centered on Harris, a black woman.  I didn’t chose her for a double dose of diversity.  I chose her as who I thought best suited to be president and take on Donald Trump.

That two old white men top the field among Democrats is due to name recognition, at least mostly.  Everyone knows who Biden and Sanders are.  Prior to this election cycle, even I who pay a lot of attention barely knew who Klobuchar was.  She lost due to lack of name recognition.  Harris had a poor campaign; I hope she gets better organized in the future.  Warren didn’t have that great of a campaign either, and she’s too far left for many, and doing that DNA test and pissing off the real Native Americans didn’t help either.

That somehow an older white man shouldn’t be the nominee due to ‘lack of diversity’ sticks in my craw as, well, a older white man.  Those whose names everyone know of Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg will be too old in the near future.  We had a diverse field to start, and I’m sure that diversity will persist (at least within the Democrats).

There will be a woman president some day soon, might even be a Republican, but I doubt it.  So get over yourself Warren, you’re coming off as rather arrogant right now and childishly miffed at not winning.  And I’m saying that as someone that admires you greatly and thinks you were and are qualified to be president, just wasn’t in the cards this round.

A VP choice is an instance where I see purposely adding diversity as extremely important.  Biden mostly has the African American vote, so does he target appealing to women or Latinos?

Again I say, Biden/Harris or Biden Castro.
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Reply #132 on: March 06, 2020, 07:01:27 PM
Now Amy Klobuchar is speculating if ‘they’ wanted a man to take on Trump.  ‘We’ want a capable person to take on and take down Trump.  I don’t see where gender, race or sexual orientation matters in that.  As far as a woman being capable, Nancy Pelosi owns Trump every time they’re in the same room together.



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Reply #133 on: March 06, 2020, 07:21:53 PM
We aren’t plotting against your candidate. We are plotting against your candidate’s platform.


It’s not even that.  When confronted with the worst president in American history possibly extended his tyranny, you do what makes the most sense.




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Reply #134 on: March 06, 2020, 08:00:36 PM
I love borscht, both the hot winter version and the cold summer version with a dab or sour cream.  Beets and especially beet greens are my favorite vegetable.

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Reply #135 on: March 06, 2020, 08:15:36 PM
I like Warren.  She was my pick.  But even no longer in the race she made a difference, because ideas do matter.


Elizabeth Warren Has Changed The Democratic Party
Her presidential campaign is over, but she is winning the war for ideas.
By Zach Carter

The two most influential scholars of economic inequality in the past 50 years are a French economist named Thomas Piketty and a former Harvard law professor named Elizabeth Warren. Piketty’s work revolutionized the way we think about capitalism; Warren’s research transformed the way we think about the economic pressures facing middle-class families. Her bankruptcy scholarship from the 1980s through the 2000s didn’t just resonate with those reading law reviews and economic journals. It took Washington. Chuck Schumer was stunned to read Warren’s work indicating that middle class incomes were actually declining during what had seemed like boom years at the turn of the millennium. She had discovered, he said, “the greatest crisis in America.”

Warren could have contented herself with a comfortable life writing books as a celebrated intellectual. She pursued power instead.

Most academics who come to Washington leverage their prestige to ingratiate themselves with the elite. They write briefs and studies and op-eds that, consciously or not, flatter the sensibilities of the rich and powerful.

Warren was different. She showed up in D.C. in 2009 as the chair of a panel overseeing the bank bailouts. The panel was essentially toothless ― something created to mollify critics without limiting the Treasury Department’s ability to do what it wanted with the $700 billion Congress had allotted the financial rescue. Warren could have easily secured a place for herself in Democratic Party politics by playing nice and not looking too hard at the people in power.

Instead, she converted the oversight committee into a bracing exposé of abuse and incompetence, enraging the Obama administration and educating the public. Warren demonstrated the lengths that Obama’s Treasury Department would go to in order to help rogue bankers, efforts that included throwing millions of struggling homeowners to the wolves. Somehow, this performance vaulted her into the Senate, and from the Senate to, for a few weeks this fall, a position as the front-runner for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

On Thursday, Warren formally withdrew from the primary, after a disappointing showing in early states. But like her career prior to Washington, the significance of Warren’s campaign can’t really be measured quantitatively. Warren has changed the way we think about our politics in ways many Americans don’t even realize. The horizon of possibilities is wider and a bit brighter as a result of her run, and ideas that once seemed like hippie pipe dreams are now the serious subject of policy discussion. Even self-proclaimed moderates and centrists now define themselves on her terms ― they are moderate because they don’t want to do what Elizabeth Warren has proposed.

When Piketty published ”Capital in the Twenty-First Century,” he closed the book with a call for a new tax, not on income, but on accumulated fortunes. Only this ambitious new effort to corral the rich, he insisted, and could reverse the grim expansion of economic inequality under capitalism.

In Washington, this policy advice was regarded as the book’s principal flaw. A wealth tax was silly. It could never happen. It was the sort of thing a very smart but impractical academic might propose. No Democrat in Congress wrote any legislation pursuing Piketty’s idea. Nobody even assigned staff to investigate the idea further.

Until Warren ran for president. Working with Piketty disciples Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman at the University of California, Berkeley, Warren put together a detailed, ambitious plan to tax the fortunes of billionaires and ultra-millionaires. By imposing a small annual tax on these hoards of wealth ― just two cents for every dollar over $50 million, as Warren is fond of emphasizing ― this new tax would raise billions in revenue for the federal government and, most important of all, take a sledgehammer to inequality.

This was a new idea in Washington. Ever since the administration of John F. Kennedy, taxation had been understood exclusively as a way to fund the government. Warren was offering taxation as a cure for inequality, not because the government is broke, but because inequality is bad.

And people loved it. According to one New York Times poll, a full two-thirds of the country supports Warren’s wealth tax. Even most millionaires support it, according to a CNBC survey.

It’s not just the wealth tax. Universal childcare, student debt cancellation, reimagining U.S. trade policy ― again and again Warren drew on her expertise as a bankruptcy law expert to target the financial hardships facing working families, and then developed sophisticated, ironclad policy proposals to tackle those problems.

Warren pitched these ideas with the moral clarity of a Methodist preacher. “The fight for justice will never be over,” she told thousands of rallygoers in Atlanta. “With every win, a bigger win stands just around the corner. With every inch we take on the moral arc of justice, we make an extra mile possible.”

In Warren’s telling, her plans seemed not only possible, but necessary. She didn’t shy away from unpleasant truths. The government, she said, had been corrupted by big money, and Republicans weren’t the only crooks in Washington. But change would have to begin within the Democratic Party, and she was ready to change it.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is running an honorable campaign premised on many of the same foundations on which Warren built hers. But for all his commitment to principle, Sanders simply does not carry the same intellectual gravitas that Warren does. Despite his talk of revolution, Sanders is always looking to the past. He wants to revive the best ideas of former presidents — Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society. His proposals are all ideas that FDR and LBJ had before, expanded or modified to meet our moment. He is a politician, and a good one, but Warren is something else ― a once-in-a-generation figure like John Maynard Keynes or John Kenneth Galbraith who can rewrite conventional wisdom and then walk the corridors of power putting new ideas in practice.

And so many of Sanders’ most promising policies are essentially Warren plans turned up a notch. His wealth tax is heavier, and he’d cancel all student debt, not just 75% of it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but consensus is the best path to progress. When Warren and Sanders appeared on the debate stage together before of millions of Americans, it was their ideas that seemed reasonable and practical, not the tut-tutting of centrist after centrist who collapsed long before the Iowa caucuses.

Elizabeth Warren will not be the next president of the United States, but her work is not done. Our politics and our planet are still in peril. We are fortunate to have her in the fight for the future.



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Reply #136 on: March 06, 2020, 08:56:08 PM
As long as the older whites continue to out vote minorities and young people, we’re going to have older, likely white, candidates.  And I agree that saying a woman can’t win the nomination ignores that Clinton was the nominee and won the popular vote.

I think the liberal faction of the Democratic Party is the future of America. Lots of angry white males are going to die off in the next 20 years.  They aren’t replacing them fast enough, which is the real reason the GOP wants to shut down the border.  It’s too little, too late.  But this time, 2020, I am supporting Biden now.  We will see.



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Reply #137 on: March 18, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
Sanders Campaign Says He Is Reassessing

BY WILL WEISSERT AND BRIAN SLODYSKO
32 mins ago


WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says he is reassessing his campaign, raising questions about whether he will drop out after losing three more states and falling prohibitively behind former Vice President Joe Biden in the race.

A Sanders spokesman denied a report that the Vermont senator was suspending his campaign Wednesday afternoon, but that word came as Sanders pulled down digital advertising on Facebook and Google, triggering further confusion in a contest already upended by the coronavirus.

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Reply #138 on: March 18, 2020, 08:22:22 PM
Goody. Trump and creepy uncle Joe.

Is it too late to elect emperor Palpatine? Say what you will, he did bring peace to the galaxy and had a strong military. Well, it had its flaws.

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Reply #139 on: March 18, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
Looks like another protest vote from me.  I might pencil in Michael Scott for president with Dwight Schrute as VP