NO BORDER WALL

[Lois]

Just 25-30% of the American public want a wall on the US-Mexico border.  And yet Trump is attempting to bully our representatives into funding it to the tune of $5 billion dollars.

Why? So Trump can save face and tell the minority that is still in his base that he is fullfilling his campaign promise.  This is a campaing promise that no one took seriously in the first place. (Or did you really belive Mexico was going to pay for it?)

So tell your Representatives and the President you don't want to pay $5 billion of your tax dollars to pay for Trump's vanity wall.

And forget the "border security" nonsense.  Our borders are already secure, and they can be made more secue without a costly wall.

[Jed_]

This is pervasive with the Republican Party now that circumvents democracy.  The irate irrational minority think they are entitled to dictate their minority view and bully the rest of us into going along.

[psiberzerker]

Why?

Honestly, there's no straight answer to this, but I can say that $5Billion isn't going to do it.  That's not even enough to get started, the Fence that's there now cost $6Billion in 2006 dollars.

There's still the question of Who's going to build the damned thing, after we deport, and estrange all the (Spanish Speaking) people who would do the labor, at below minimum wage.  

You don't think the Government is going to pay Minimum wage to the workers, on this project, do you?  They don't have to, you know.  Even if they do, they're not going to pay more, and who's signing up to work in the desert?  Who do you know, or think you know is willing to leave their homes?  

Who's going to hire them?  Donald "You're Fired" Trump?  Forget about Why, who, how, and how much?  

[Jed_]

Why?

Because Ann Coulter shamed him, and have we really come to that?

[psiberzerker]

Why goes to motive, and there's generally more than one motive.  I still think he plans to make a lot of money off the project, through subsidiaries.  That's ONE of his motives, but he also at least partially believes his own lies about National Security (Which he's a total expert on) Crime, Immigration, and making American great (For white people) again.

So, let's just assume one of those is His primary motive.  Does that Trump the other 5?  Honestly, why anyone in particular thinks building a wall across our southern border is a good idea, that's pretty moot compared to how Impossible it is, and how much it's going to bankrupt our already crippled economy, how much it's progressively wrecking our international relations, and how many (Nonwhite) people's lives it's destroying.

I honestly care more about the people it's destroying than the insane reasons behind it.  GIGO.

[Jed_]

He’s doing it to not look foolish.

Way too late for that Donny.

Meanwhile, after a lot of obstinate stupid posturing we’re likely to pay for a wall we don’t need just so the orange clown’s bloated ego doesn’t suffer.  They better make him pay politically and dearly for it if they give in.

[psiberzerker]

I still say they should send him to Guantanimo Bay.  His predecessor didn't follow through with that election promise, might as well get some use out of those taxpayer Dollars.

[Elizabeth]

Well....??
LOL....Sorry I can't stop laughing about "The Donald".....
I just got to thinking if the damn thing gets even started, what if the next president has it torn down...??
"Round and round we go, where the world stops nobody will ever know"......

Love,
Liz

[_priapism]

Current estimates for the wall range from 20 billion to 70 billion dollars.  Nothing close to the 5 trillion dollars we wasted on Iraq and Afghanistan, but not insignificant.  But is seems rediculous to flush this kind of money down the toilet, when we are looking at multiple financial shortfalls, thanks to Trump’s tax cuts.

[MissBarbara]

Current estimates for the wall range from 20 billion to 70 billion dollars.  Nothing close to the 5 trillion dollars we wasted on Iraq and Afghanistan, but not insignificant.  But is seems ridiculous to flush this kind of money down the toilet, when we are looking at multiple financial shortfalls, thanks to Trump’s tax cuts.

That, plus the fact that the clear majority of those currently in this country illegally came her by airplane.

[Athos_131]

Just 25-30% of the American public want a wall on the US-Mexico border.  And yet Trump is attempting to bully our representatives into funding it to the tune of $5 billion dollars.

Why? So Trump can save face and tell the minority that is still in his base that he is fullfilling his campaign promise.  This is a campaing promise that no one took seriously in the first place. (Or did you really belive Mexico was going to pay for it?)

I thought I read yesterday part of the reason he's digging in on this is his advisers think it's better than Robert Mueller, Michael Cohen or Individual 1 being in the news.

#Resist

[psiberzerker]

That, plus the fact that the clear majority of those currently in this country illegally came her by airplane.

The vast majority didn't come from Mexico, I'll tell you that.  There's not a lot of documentation on undocumented immigrants, but closing 1 door (Even if putting up a wall could do it, when it didn't keep the Hun out) and ignoring every other Window is a pretty sure-fire way to keep ignoring all the other ways they come here.  Even assuming most of them don't come by air now, what happens when they can't just climb over the fence?  All the ones that swam, or rowed boats from Cuba, and Hispanola didn't teach us anything?  Just look at a map of the islands between Tampico, and Corpus Christi.  You can Kayak that.

We don't even know how many arrived in Shipping Containers.  Much less just didn't leave when their tourist, and work Visas expired.  Asia's a pretty big continent, with a lot of refugees.

[Lois]

And there's also the fact that the GOP and their supporters just love government shut-downs. It is the ultimate form of "starving the beast" as they call government.

[Athos_131]

Wait til Trumpers don't get their tax returns.

#Resist

[spclagnt]

Sorry, your quite wrong.  I'm one of the 65% of Americans, and one that lives in California that knows we need a wall and immigration reform.  Lets build a wall.
The president was voted in by 50.1% of Americans that want that wall.

[psiberzerker]

Sorry, your quite wrong.  I'm one of the 65% of Americans, and one that lives in California that knows we need a wall and immigration reform.  Lets build a wall.  The president was voted in by 50.1% of Americans that want that wall.

So, is it 50.1%, or 65%?  Your math isn't any better than your golden calf's.  At least he inflates the numbers every time he tells the story.

[_priapism]

Sorry, your quite wrong.  I'm one of the 65% of Americans, and one that lives in California that knows we need a wall and immigration reform.  Lets build a wall.
The president was voted in by 50.1% of Americans that want that wall.

46.1%.  A majority of Americans voted for someone else.

[psiberzerker]

46.1% is closer to the best numbers I could get (On the Popular Vote, the EC is a different matter) but there's honestly so much interference, it's really hard to tell.  Unfortunately, at this point, it's too late to mitigate all the damage he's done.

Regardless of how you feel about the wall, or how many people support you, shutting down the government is a counter-productive way to get 'er done.

[Athos_131]

Sorry, your quite wrong.  I'm one of the 65% of Americans, and one that lives in California that knows we need a wall and immigration reform.  Lets build a wall.
The president was voted in by 50.1% of Americans that want that wall.

Two posts by this account.  Both very weird and wrong.

#Resist

[Katiebee]

Sorry, your quite wrong.  I'm one of the 65% of Americans, and one that lives in California that knows we need a wall and immigration reform.  Lets build a wall.
The president was voted in by 50.1% of Americans that want that wall.

That is a bald face lie.

Trump received 46.4% of the popular vote. Clinton received 48.5%.

You are an idiot and a liar. So maybe you should educate yourself. And the first piece of education is this. Lie about something so easily disproven will get your sorry, stupid ass roasted in this area of the board.

Got it shithead?