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Reply #640 on: August 13, 2021, 12:38:19 AM
I also thought it would be capitalized, such as street in Main Street or avenue in 5th Avenue



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Reply #641 on: August 13, 2021, 04:39:22 PM

Actually, I didn't fully answer your question.

The simple answer is Greenwich is the name of a city in the U.K., and it should be capitalized. Meridian is a geographical designation, and it need not be capitalized.


OK, now we get into the grammar geek category, but I have to ask if the word meridian is part of a proper name for a specific meridian, wouldn't you then capitalize meridian as part of the proper name?

For example, states are just geographical designation but United States is considered a proper name of a country consisting of states.

No, I'm not looking for a debate or to be right or wrong, I just like learning about grammar.


For the record, over the past few years, I've become less and less a grammar geek (or grammar Nazi).

The best example is I always used to insist that subjects and verbs always agree in number, e.g.:

"The goalkeeper put on his gloves."

"The goal keeper took off his gloves.

And if the gender of the goalkeeper is unknown, "The goal keeper took off their gloves" is grammatically incorrect, it's much simpler than saying "The goalkeeper took of his or her gloves," or "The goalkeeper took of his/her gloves," etc.

To your question, the most honest answer is: I don't know. The Royal Observatory in Greenwich calls it the "Prime Meridian," but the "Encyclopedia Britannica" calls it the "Prime meridian."

Physical meridians play a key role in acupuncture and other forms of Asian medicine, and there it's always written "meridian."

Meanwhile, you refer to the "North Pole" but not the "North pole," and all three words are always capitalized when writing "International Date Line."

So, you're guess is as good as mine.






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Reply #642 on: August 13, 2021, 10:24:11 PM

If you want a real rant about capitalization, tell a civil engineer it's the Greenwich meridian not the Greenwich Meridian.


I don’t get it.  ???


To confuse them even further, tell them the British themselves named it the Prime meridian (small "m:'), and not the Greenwich meridian, and today longitudinal and time calculations are no longer referred to as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) but as Universal Time (UTC).


Ah, I seem to get it now, tysm, Miss Barbara. ;D


Actually, I didn't fully answer your question.

The simple answer is Greenwich is the name of a city in the U.K., and it should be capitalized. Meridian is a geographical designation, and it need not be capitalized.



Sorry MissB but you have aroused the inner pedant in me.  Greenwich was never a city in itself, it was a town and was absorbed by London in the 19th century.  Formally it is now known as the Royal Borough Of Greenwich.

In a wonderful display of inconsistency Wikip[a]edia refers to the Grenwich Meridian and the Prime meridian.






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Reply #643 on: August 14, 2021, 12:22:57 PM

For the record, over the past few years, I've become less and less a grammar geek (or grammar Nazi).
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So, you're guess is as good as mine.


Now your just screwing with us.... :emot_laughing:




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Reply #644 on: August 14, 2021, 01:21:02 PM
Has anyone here ever played Zombie’s Retreat, 1 and/or 2, by Siren’s domain?



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Reply #645 on: August 14, 2021, 05:23:26 PM

If you want a real rant about capitalization, tell a civil engineer it's the Greenwich meridian not the Greenwich Meridian.


I don’t get it.  ???


To confuse them even further, tell them the British themselves named it the Prime meridian (small "m:'), and not the Greenwich meridian, and today longitudinal and time calculations are no longer referred to as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) but as Universal Time (UTC).


Ah, I seem to get it now, tysm, Miss Barbara. ;D


Actually, I didn't fully answer your question.

The simple answer is Greenwich is the name of a city in the U.K., and it should be capitalized. Meridian is a geographical designation, and it need not be capitalized.



Sorry MissB but you have aroused the inner pedant in me.  Greenwich was never a city in itself, it was a town and was absorbed by London in the 19th century.  Formally it is now known as the Royal Borough Of Greenwich.

In a wonderful display of inconsistency Wikip[a]edia refers to the Grenwich Meridian and the Prime meridian.


I'll admit I've long been unclear about the various divisions in England and the U.K. For example, I know Chelsea is in London, but what, exactly, is Chelsea? And what are boroughs? I think I know the difference between the Town of London and Greater London. But what are counties?

See what I mean?

However, patting myself on the back, I know the exact difference between England, Great Britain, and the U.K. But don't ask me where Canada fitsinto that picture.

And speaking of Chelsea (see! this isn't a thread hijack!), NBC used to air Premier League matches on either the broadcast network NBC, one of its basic cable channels (like CNBC or USA, etc.), of on NBCSN.

But last year they created their own streaming service called Peacock, and it has two tiers: Free and a pay access. Starting today, they have moved all of the top matches (like Man U v. Leeds and Chelsea v. CP) to Peacock+ which is behind a paywall. I can't see ponying up another $10 per month for yet another streaming service. But I suspect I'll change my mind as the season wears on...




 





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Reply #646 on: August 15, 2021, 10:03:15 PM

I'll admit I've long been unclear about the various divisions in England and the U.K. For example, I know Chelsea is in London, but what, exactly, is Chelsea? And what are boroughs? I think I know the difference between the Town of London and Greater London. But what are counties?

See what I mean?

Boroughs are subdivisions of the city of London, aka Greater London, (note the non-capitalisation of city).  London has a local authority structure called the Greater London Authority (famously abolished by Mrs Thatcher but since resurrected), within it are sub-divisions known as boroughs which have their own local authority structure with the ability to pass laws and exact local taxes within the framework of the GLA. Chelsea was once its own borough but has combined with Kensington to form a larger borough formally known as the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, several other boroughs have combined in this way in a general re-organisation several years ago.  Royal boroughs (and other locations in the UK) are those granted a royal title or status by express wish of a specific monarch, and those with prefixes or suffixes such as "King's" or "Regis" that relate to historic ownership of the area by the Crown.  To add confusion as we Brits always like to do, there is an area within the Borough of Southwark called just Borough (it was the scene of a terrorist attack you may have heard of a couple of years ago).  Each borough has a chief executive and a ceremonial head called a Mayor.

There is no Town of London but there is a City of London (note the capitalisation of City) which is mainly comprised of the financial area of Greater London which has its own local authority arrangement.  It's this Mayor who has the procession known as "The Lord Mayor's Show" every November. Songs popular before the 60s may include references to "old London town".

The rest of the country is split into counties or metropolitan areas which have their own structure of local government similar to the boroughs in London, although there are further subdivisions so that towns and cities within the counties have their own local authorities.


However, patting myself on the back, I know the exact difference between England, Great Britain, and the U.K. But don't ask me where Canada fitsinto that picture.

Congratulations, lots of Brits don't but I may have to set you an exam. Can you explain what the British Isles are?

Canada, like Australia, is a constitutional monarchy that accepts the Queen as it's head of state and a Governor General appointed by the Queen to represent her. However it has the autonomy to remove her if it so wishes. Like the Queen does in the UK, the Governor General formally "appoints" the government of the day, but if they didnt appoint the leader of the majority party in Parliament there would be a constitutional crisis.

And speaking of Chelsea (see! this isn't a thread hijack!), NBC used to air Premier League matches on either the broadcast network NBC, one of its basic cable channels (like CNBC or USA, etc.), of on NBCSN.

But last year they created their own streaming service called Peacock, and it has two tiers: Free and a pay access. Starting today, they have moved all of the top matches (like Man U v. Leeds and Chelsea v. CP) to Peacock+ which is behind a paywall. I can't see ponying up another $10 per month for yet another streaming service. But I suspect I'll change my mind as the season wears on...

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I have heard of the Peacock channel but was never sure what it was, thanks for explaining. I take it the choice of name reflects the NBC logo.

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Reply #647 on: August 15, 2021, 10:34:03 PM
Woo, thanks for the informative post  8)



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Reply #648 on: August 16, 2021, 03:20:36 PM
I'm not going to do the quote in a quote in a quote thing; it's far too confusing.

Thanks for the wonderful explanation. The distinction between city of London and City of London is good to know. A lot of what I know about London and England comes from reading Dickens and Sherlock Holmes novels and stories. Though that was 100-150 years ago.

I read this morning that the Canadian PM called for a "snap election." The story indicated that he did so only after receiving permission from the Governor General.

I don't know what the British Isles refers to, but I'd guess it's Britain, Ireland, and those islands scattered around (Isle of Man, Isle of Skye, Iona, etc.).

I do know that Northern Ireland is in the U.K. but it is not in Britain.

Yes, NBC named it's streaming service after its logo, and the fact that it is known as the "Peacock Network."

Their creating their own streaming service is inevitable, and from a business standpoint, completely understandable. It's also understandable why they'd put the most attractive matches behind the paywall. However, yesterday's Spurs-City match was on NBCSN, the basic cable channel.













I'll admit I've long been unclear about the various divisions in England and the U.K. For example, I know Chelsea is in London, but what, exactly, is Chelsea? And what are boroughs? I think I know the difference between the Town of London and Greater London. But what are counties?

See what I mean?

Boroughs are subdivisions of the city of London, aka Greater London, (note the non-capitalisation of city).  London has a local authority structure called the Greater London Authority (famously abolished by Mrs Thatcher but since resurrected), within it are sub-divisions known as boroughs which have their own local authority structure with the ability to pass laws and exact local taxes within the framework of the GLA. Chelsea was once its own borough but has combined with Kensington to form a larger borough formally known as the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea, several other boroughs have combined in this way in a general re-organisation several years ago.  Royal boroughs (and other locations in the UK) are those granted a royal title or status by express wish of a specific monarch, and those with prefixes or suffixes such as "King's" or "Regis" that relate to historic ownership of the area by the Crown.  To add confusion as we Brits always like to do, there is an area within the Borough of Southwark called just Borough (it was the scene of a terrorist attack you may have heard of a couple of years ago).  Each borough has a chief executive and a ceremonial head called a Mayor.

There is no Town of London but there is a City of London (note the capitalisation of City) which is mainly comprised of the financial area of Greater London which has its own local authority arrangement.  It's this Mayor who has the procession known as "The Lord Mayor's Show" every November. Songs popular before the 60s may include references to "old London town".

The rest of the country is split into counties or metropolitan areas which have their own structure of local government similar to the boroughs in London, although there are further subdivisions so that towns and cities within the counties have their own local authorities.


However, patting myself on the back, I know the exact difference between England, Great Britain, and the U.K. But don't ask me where Canada fitsinto that picture.

Congratulations, lots of Brits don't but I may have to set you an exam. Can you explain what the British Isles are?

Canada, like Australia, is a constitutional monarchy that accepts the Queen as it's head of state and a Governor General appointed by the Queen to represent her. However it has the autonomy to remove her if it so wishes. Like the Queen does in the UK, the Governor General formally "appoints" the government of the day, but if they didnt appoint the leader of the majority party in Parliament there would be a constitutional crisis.

And speaking of Chelsea (see! this isn't a thread hijack!), NBC used to air Premier League matches on either the broadcast network NBC, one of its basic cable channels (like CNBC or USA, etc.), of on NBCSN.

But last year they created their own streaming service called Peacock, and it has two tiers: Free and a pay access. Starting today, they have moved all of the top matches (like Man U v. Leeds and Chelsea v. CP) to Peacock+ which is behind a paywall. I can't see ponying up another $10 per month for yet another streaming service. But I suspect I'll change my mind as the season wears on...

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I have heard of the Peacock channel but was never sure what it was, thanks for explaining. I take it the choice of name reflects the NBC logo.


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Reply #649 on: August 16, 2021, 04:40:18 PM

Well done on the British Isles, MissB.  It may be somewhat contentious among Irish Republicans to include the island of Ireland but geographically speaking I would say it should be. Also contentious are the Channel Islands which are further south than parts of France. 

Also the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands are not politically part of the UK and are known as Crown Dependencies because they have their own governments. But so do Scotland, Wales and, intermittently, Northern Ireland I hear you cry. Yes they do and that is a whole other matter.

I read today that we are considering competing in future Olympics as TeamUK instead of TeamGB, but that wouldn't solve the inclusivity problem either.

On a point of pedantry I should have referred to the City of London as the historic financial centre. The Bank of England (why isn't it called the Bank of The UK) is still situated there but lots of other institutions have moved out to the area known as Canary Wharf, which is the revitalised dock area of London.

Glad you enjoy Dickens and Conan Doyle. If you visited London I could show you a wall that formed part of the Marshalsea debtors prison in the Borough of Southwark. We might have a bit of a problem finding 221B Baker Street though; the Sherlock Holmes pub in Northumberland Avenue would be considerably easier.



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Reply #650 on: August 19, 2021, 04:18:18 PM
Just realised, I had been lately confusing Kate Winslet with Kristen Durst for quite some time now (thinking Kate was both in Titanic and the Original OG Spider-Man Trilogy.)



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Reply #651 on: August 20, 2021, 01:13:16 PM
Seems like today there’s a lack of activity here at KB…



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Reply #652 on: August 20, 2021, 01:50:50 PM
Just realised, I had been lately confusing Kate Winslet with Kristen Durst for quite some time now (thinking Kate was both in Titanic and the Original OG Spider-Man Trilogy.)

Very strange, I've confused them also.  hmmm

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Reply #653 on: September 02, 2021, 09:36:56 PM
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Reply #654 on: September 05, 2021, 07:42:28 AM
Been online for  almost 4 hours KB is unusually quiet today



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Reply #655 on: September 05, 2021, 09:04:18 AM
Been online for  almost 4 hours KB is unusually quiet today
Wait, scratch that,( I didn’t mean, literally lol  :emot_laughing: ) make it 5 hours exact.
Well, seems like everyone’s more or less up and about now.
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Reply #656 on: September 06, 2021, 01:54:52 PM
Argh!
Feels lonely here.



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Reply #657 on: September 06, 2021, 02:22:33 PM
Argh!
Feels lonely here.


A watched pot never boils.


Chill.


Work on your avatar.


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Reply #658 on: September 06, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
We should all suggest pictures for Vicky's avatar...

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Reply #659 on: September 06, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
Argh!
Feels lonely here.
A watched pot never boils.
True that…

Chill.

Sometimes I go too far


Work on your avatar.


Chill.


Wish the same to you sir, (I’ll get to my avatar later ( though I do have something planned for it though.))

I’ve been here 13 years. Sometimes this place is going nutso, other times it’s crickets.
hope that the next time it is crickets, it’s Jiminy as then we can hang out, though.