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Reply #20 on: October 26, 2018, 12:22:31 AM
If you choose not to vote, does that indicate you are satisfied with status quo?

As for voting for the lesser of two evils, what becomes of the other candidates running for a different office that you may agree with?

If I remember correctly, the ex poster that was on here for so long lived in Denmark I believe and she stated that there one HAD to vote or be fined. What then? It was sort of like a property tax, someone would check up on why you reneged?

Just remembered, her name was Bexy
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Reply #21 on: October 26, 2018, 12:26:38 AM
What about all the informal votes they have because people don’t understand how to fill out the ballot papers properly.



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Reply #22 on: October 26, 2018, 12:36:33 AM
And what about the state and local amendments that needs to be voted yay or nay , some of which may and most likely affect you financially or living wise? Hospitals? Roadways etc

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Reply #23 on: October 26, 2018, 01:19:06 AM
If you choose not to vote, does that indicate you are satisfied with status quo?

It may indicate that, or it may be something else.  It might not mean anything at all, other than being too apathetic to care.  In the OP, I alluded to the nearly impossible hoops I had to go through to vote, and I thought it was worth it just to prove to myself that it wasn't impossible.  Despite all efforts to make it so.

It may also indicate the people in power making it too hard to care any more.  I think it smells like ennui in this case.  giving up, because they (Lots of people) are just sick of losing, because of all the hurdles put in our ways.  If voting were easy, more people would be doing it, but it takes an emotional toll when you care, hope, and are ultimately disappointed every couple years.



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Reply #24 on: October 26, 2018, 04:46:11 AM
Having said that, I'm voting. But who I vote for is up to me. Needless to say it will be the lesser of evil, and that's the only reason.  :roll:

I'm never voting again.

Make up your mind.

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Reply #25 on: October 26, 2018, 05:12:04 AM
I have, NPC.

I changed my mind. Unlike you, I can do that because I'm not programmed to infinitely loop.  :emot_laughing:



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Reply #26 on: October 26, 2018, 05:51:00 AM
I'm not programmed to infinitely loop.

Stuck in a loop

Stuck in a loop.

An infinite loop...



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Reply #27 on: October 26, 2018, 01:18:32 PM



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Reply #28 on: October 26, 2018, 02:43:11 PM
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Reply #29 on: October 26, 2018, 02:43:42 PM
The way I see it, esoterically as an anarchist, is that democracy is an opportunity for every individual to participate in government.  That's the theory, anyway.  Of course, those in power have ways to make some votes more equal than others, but using that as en excuse for an empty protest, then turning around and being so vocal about it is an even emptier protest.  

It just strikes me as almost nihilistically meaningless.  My private vote doesn't count, so I'm going to go on a sex stories board, and argue, every day for years against Liberals.  Against Trumpets, and then when it comes time to be counted.  For an official poll, which does have some affect on the outcome, we're too busy bitching about what's wrong with the country to go out, and actually participate in democracy?

Honestly, it's funny to me.  Irony is funny to me, and I just have to share the joke.  Here I am, an Anarchist, voting because i can, and I have to point out to all these True Believers that arguing on the internet doesn't change anyone's minds.  Doesn't change anyone's votes, it sure hasn't proven anyone right yet, and the people in power would shut this board down if they even knew it existed.  Not because of the gaslighting, name calling, strawmanning political debates, but because of the Father/Daughter incest.

Not you Ivanka.  You're fine, get daddy a sammech.  
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Reply #30 on: October 26, 2018, 03:15:28 PM
My dad drummed into me, “the only wasted vote is a vote not cast.”

I always vote.

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.


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Reply #31 on: October 26, 2018, 04:07:00 PM
The way I see it, esoterically as an anarchist, is that democracy is an opportunity for every individual to participate in government.  

“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” — H.L. Mencken, On Politics: A Carnival of Buncombe

“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” — Winston Churchill

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’” — Isaac Asimov




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Reply #32 on: October 26, 2018, 04:13:54 PM
“The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.” — Winston Churchill

~A Monarchist.  Just have to point out, the other quotes are good, but Churchill was pretty much the inspiration for the Monopoly Man.  All he needs is a monocle.  Consider the source.

Also, I was mostly talking to the typical Non-voters.  The outspoken ones, that represent the self disenfranchized.  If that's not what's wrong with democracy today, then I'll just have to paint my Monopoly Man orange this year.
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Reply #33 on: October 26, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
I am an elitist. Study after study has shown that, the higher ones educational attainment, the more likely that individual is to be a liberal.  This is why the right hates free public education.

We’ve seen it here also, people who don’t read, cannot spell, and do little more than parrot what they’ve watched in a 15 second segment on Fox News, yet they claim to know everything that’s wrong in the world, and how to solve it with bigotry and intolerance, courtesy of their goose stepping fascist leaders. Who’s the real NPC? You and I know the answer to that. In the meantime, I’m just shaking my head.



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Reply #34 on: October 26, 2018, 05:30:44 PM
Here's a similar one from America's (Other) Renaissance Man:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”

There's also a well shown causality between attaining higher education, and actually having the money to pay for it.  What do your [Citation Needed] Studies say about being Liberal, and crippling student debts?  The conservatives own the schools, and set the prices for profit.  So, they have a paygate on who gets to have higher education.



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Reply #35 on: October 26, 2018, 06:31:09 PM
Jed thought NPC meant not politically correct until he looked it up seeing the answer makes even less sense to him since he’s never bothered to play computer games.

Moving on from referring to myself in the third person, I agree with Merv the less education the more automatonic the responses are likely to be.  Although more than one person in this thread has very predictable responses.



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Reply #36 on: October 26, 2018, 06:33:59 PM
Jed thought NPC meant not politically correct until he looked it up seeing the answer makes even less sense to him since he’s never bothered to play computer games.

The funny thing is, that in Pencil&Paper games, the NPCs are played by the GM.  The one guy at the table who actually knows what's going on, because he (Usually) wrote the whole campaign.  It's the Player Characters that are oblivious, but kids these days.  They don't even know why Clerics carry Maces.

I love all the irony in ChirpingGirl's responses. 

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Reply #37 on: October 26, 2018, 07:10:14 PM
Jed thought NPC meant not politically correct until he looked it up seeing the answer makes even less sense to him since he’s never bothered to play computer games.

The funny thing is, that in Pencil&Paper games, the NPCs are played by the GM.  The one guy at the table who actually knows what's going on, because he (Usually) wrote the whole campaign.  It's the Player Characters that are oblivious, but kids these days.  They don't even know why Clerics carry Maces.

I love all the irony in ChirpingGirl's responses.  

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when I first got into gaming, pen and paper first person role-playing, and I showed my dad I thought I had invented the world! He took me back into his office opened up the closet and brought out the figurines that he had painted for dungeons and dragons back when it first came out.

He then invited me to go over a campaign that he had done. His non-Player characters were really tough. Excessively knowledgeable. And either a great boon to the real players or a true obstacle if they were on the other side.
Never assume the NPC is clueless. It all depends like psi said On the person who controls
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Reply #38 on: October 26, 2018, 07:18:13 PM
when I first got into gaming, pen and paper first person role-playing, and I showed my dad I thought I had invented the world! He took me back into his office opened up the closet and brought out the figurines that he had painted for dungeons and dragons back when it first came out.

He then invited me to go over a campaign that he had done. His non-Player characters were really tough. Excessively knowledgeable. And either a great boon to the real players or a true obstacle if they were on the other side.

Your dad sounds truly special.

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Reply #39 on: October 26, 2018, 07:59:14 PM
Never assume the NPC is clueless. It all depends like psi said On the person who controls

In Dice&Dossiers.  The stereotype that Chirpy kepped repeating, over and over in a loop rather than make a point was the Video Game NPC, which is effectively limited by all the options the devs can aford to write in.  The more NPCs, the less time they can devote to each one, so some of them are going to be more Irileth, and others more Jenassa.

In a personal interaction game, the NPCs are only limited by the creator's Imagination, and ability to improvise.

Of course, if you never played the game, you wouldn't be able to tell much difference between this:


And this.



Likewise, if you don't vote, you basically waive your right to bitch about the outcome.

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