Safe Spaces On College Campuses Are Creating Intolerant Students

[psiberzerker]

okay, if we accept the Overprotective Parenting theory of Spoiled Millenials, then we have to look at the parents of that generation, the Goth parents, teh Metalheads, the Pilates/Vegans, couch potato MMO gamers,  the Crossfit couples, Construction/Realtor powercouples, the 2 mother households, single fathers, deadbeat dads, swingers, and the conservative parents that lobbied congress to get Creationism and Sex Education taken out of schools while retaining the right to Christian prayer, but not Islamic language, or symbolism of any kind.  (Against the first amendment)

I admit, that the sMothers that lysol every surface they don't bleach so their children never develop an immune system may be An contributing factor.  I'm just a little skeptical that it's the only, or even the most significant one.  (I'm just going to leave out the Maternal incest elephant in the room, because nobody understands that.)

With the caveat that I'm not a parent, and I grew up with a Malignant Narcissist who sexually harassed my sister, and left incest porn lying around.  I would just like to entertain the possibility that 1 type of bad parent isn't responsible for an entire generation (The largest one in American history) being spoiled, and entitled.

[Jed_]

I’ll give a specific example of overprotective parenting that has been termed ‘helicopter parenting’ that is theorized to create these hypersensitive college students termed ‘snowflakes’.

A couple years ago a woman in my neighborhood talking about her preschool little boy said she keeps him away from peanut butter.  So I commented, “Oh, he’s allergic to peanuts?”
She replied, “I don’t know, but I can’t take that chance.”

I'm not sure that's a result of "helicopter parenting." I think it's a symptom of a much older problem, usually referred to as "stupidity."

Yes, that is one of those things that most of us would be stunned to hear someone say.  I know her comment rendered me speechless.

Not long after I could walk and sometime after I learned to look before I crossed the street, I played outside with no adult supervision.  All of us did.  Not far from me, the parents of grade schoolers were arrested for letting their kids walk to the park?  These parents said they felt the need to allow their children some independence outweighed the very small risk their kids could be abducted.

Sometimes when I leave for work, I see the kids waiting for the bus.  And all of the parents waiting with them, sometimes in theirs cars.  I keep thinking they should work out a schedule, I mean do they really think they need large numbers to thwart potential abductors?  Of course no parent waited with me at the bus stop.

No wonder kids don’t know how to behave when they leave home for the first time to go to college.

[IrishGirl]

First, Psi, it is a safe space zone against speech that the students may disagree with...since hearing things that they don't agree with can "trigger" them and cause them PTSD...rather than, you know, being an adult and arguing your point civilly.

Second, I have a lot of respect of people older than me.  I really appreciate that Generation X is self-sufficient, rejects labels,  and has the highest civic volunteer rate since the Greatest Generation.  I would honestly rather work with them than people my own age...and that is not just because I think old men are hot,  It's because they get the job done.

And there is a safety thing, I feel safer around Gen-X men than people my own age.

And a lot of the same things can be said for Baby Boomers.

In either group there is a lot less hate when dealing with them.  They don't come with a lot of the same baggage that people my age carry with them, there is less drama, and there is less blame.

In other words, I refuse to sit back and point at the people that raised me and say that it is their fault.  Fuck no, not today.  Those places exist because we demand them.  White Free and Male Free Zones exist because we demand them.

Limiting free speech to tiny areas on campuses that ensure no one has to hear them exist because we demand them.

This is my fault, and everyone my age is to blame.  If we didn't demand them, they wouldn't exist.  We are adults now, we can choose not to use them.  We can demand that they be removed and we are NOT.  We are leaving this mess for our parents to pick up and that is bull shit.

I'm not going to blame "helicopter parenting" I blame myself and everyone else my age.  We are creating this world.  We are protesting for it.  This is my fault, or at least I share in the blame by proxy.

Don't blame my parents, or the people older than me for it.  This is on us and it won't stop so long as we continue to demand it.

[IdleBoast]

I’ll give a specific example of overprotective parenting that has been termed ‘helicopter parenting’ that is theorized to create these hypersensitive college students termed ‘snowflakes’.

A couple years ago a woman in my neighborhood talking about her preschool little boy said she keeps him away from peanut butter.  So I commented, “Oh, he’s allergic to peanuts?”
She replied, “I don’t know, but I can’t take that chance.”

I'm not sure that's a result of "helicopter parenting." I think it's a symptom of a much older problem, usually referred to as "stupidity."

That's typical of what happens when people get their "facts" from social media and assume that because they see it coming from several directions it must be true.

It's the same phenomenon that gave us antivaxxers, a group that I personally consider to be nothing less than child abusers.

[psiberzerker]

All right Jed.  Since you ruled that it's okay to call them "Snowflakes" because they're so obviously definitive that it's okay to call them that, and totally not an insult, like those guys, who I'm totally not trying to souund like use it as offensively as possible:

Define Snowflake.  You brought it up, how is this the perfect, proper way to use it, inoffensively, as per it's original meaning.  I don't know this official definition you're assuming is so obvious.

[MissBarbara]

I’ll give a specific example of overprotective parenting that has been termed ‘helicopter parenting’ that is theorized to create these hypersensitive college students termed ‘snowflakes’.

A couple years ago a woman in my neighborhood talking about her preschool little boy said she keeps him away from peanut butter.  So I commented, “Oh, he’s allergic to peanuts?”
She replied, “I don’t know, but I can’t take that chance.”

I'm not sure that's a result of "helicopter parenting." I think it's a symptom of a much older problem, usually referred to as "stupidity."

That's typical of what happens when people get their "facts" from social media and assume that because they see it coming from several directions it must be true.

It's the same phenomenon that gave us antivaxxers, a group that I personally consider to be nothing less than child abusers.

I once referred to anti-vaxxers as virtual child abusers.

You're right: no need for the "virtual" part...

[psiberzerker]

Honestly, we're getting a little off topic here, but hold that bandwagon real quick, and let me hop on:

"Let me get this straight."  Looking over their nice neat statistics.  "Even if I accept the incidence of Autism caused by vaccines here, they don't sweep across continents, decimating populations, like the literal Plagues."

That's basically what the Dommy Mommies are saying here.  I don't care about the safety of Your children.  I have the power of life, and death over Mine.  Fuck you, lady.  Go to jail, go directly to jail, stop by the CDC on your way there, so they can strap you down, and give you the shots to keep you from killing the other Inmates.

Also, Autism?  You can't give people autism.  Can't make them gay, either.  

[Elizabeth]

 Can't make them gay, either.  

Damn....That's a relief.....!!!!    

Love,
Liz

[Jed_]

All right Jed.  Since you ruled that it's okay to call them "Snowflakes" because they're so obviously definitive that it's okay to call them that, and totally not an insult, like those guys, who I'm totally not trying to souund like use it as offensively as possible:

Define Snowflake.  You brought it up, how is this the perfect, proper way to use it, inoffensively, as per it's original meaning.  I don't know this official definition you're assuming is so obvious.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snowflake

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)



Rather than how conservatives have used it as a blanket insult to describe anyone on the left, I’m using it as it’s been defined above.  As far as me using it as an insult, I was describing the phenomenon as it’s been previously described, and I did not mention anyone specifically.  As far as it being an insult in that context, I guess I think of it along the line of ‘If you think the shoe fits, then wear it.”

[psiberzerker]

You linked me to a page where Wikipedia (Of all sources) doesn't have a page by that name yet.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Everyone is a snowflake.  The top Urban Dictionary definition says "Someone who thinks they're special when they're really not."

That's everyone, snowflake.

[Jed_]

First, Psi, it is a safe space zone against speech that the students may disagree with...since hearing things that they don't agree with can "trigger" them and cause them PTSD...rather than, you know, being an adult and arguing your point civilly.

Second, I have a lot of respect of people older than me.  I really appreciate that Generation X is self-sufficient, rejects labels,  and has the highest civic volunteer rate since the Greatest Generation.  I would honestly rather work with them than people my own age...and that is not just because I think old men are hot,  It's because they get the job done.

And there is a safety thing, I feel safer around Gen-X men than people my own age.

And a lot of the same things can be said for Baby Boomers.

In either group there is a lot less hate when dealing with them.  They don't come with a lot of the same baggage that people my age carry with them, there is less drama, and there is less blame.

In other words, I refuse to sit back and point at the people that raised me and say that it is their fault.  Fuck no, not today.  Those places exist because we demand them.  White Free and Male Free Zones exist because we demand them.

Limiting free speech to tiny areas on campuses that ensure no one has to hear them exist because we demand them.

This is my fault, and everyone my age is to blame.  If we didn't demand them, they wouldn't exist.  We are adults now, we can choose not to use them.  We can demand that they be removed and we are NOT.  We are leaving this mess for our parents to pick up and that is bull shit.

I'm not going to blame "helicopter parenting" I blame myself and everyone else my age.  We are creating this world.  We are protesting for it.  This is my fault, or at least I share in the blame by proxy.

Don't blame my parents, or the people older than me for it.  This is on us and it won't stop so long as we continue to demand it.

Despite my difficulty getting past the part where you think old men are hot Irish slut, I like that you don’t absolve yourself or your generation for responsibility.  While overprotective parenting may be involved, ultimately adults are responsible for their own actions.

[Jed_]

You linked me to a page where Wikipedia (Of all sources) doesn't have a page by that name yet.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Everyone is a snowflake.  The top Urban Dictionary definition says "Someone who thinks they're special when they're really not."

That's everyone, snowflake.

Maybe someone can fix the link.  I tried several times, but at least it takes me to a page that asks me if I’m looking for ‘snowflake (slang)’.  I can’t get the last ‘)’ of the link to be included.

And the other link says a bit more than that.

[psiberzerker]

Okay, let me try another postition:  Where are these safe places that incubate intolerance on college campuses?  If that's the causality here, safe places are causing this Entitlement, then where are they?  If they already exist, and are responsible for the movement to have safe places, where nobody will ever be offended (Also a fantasy, but not one of anyone here) then what does this movement have to fight so hard for?  They already have the safe spaces that created them, so why are they asking for the safe spaces that created them?

You see the circular logic here?  The movement is ignorant, and naive.  (They are also young, and politically inexperienced, what Colleges are funded to fix.)  But if the Safe Spaces created the movement, then why aren't they there, now, in their Echo Chamber, plotting to take over the world?  Why are they lobbying for the Safe Space they sprang from?

I just don't understand the Title of this argument.  It doesn't make sense.  I'm not even sure which is supposed to be the chicken, and which one the egg any more.  

[psiberzerker]

Maybe someone can fix the link.

What do YOU mean by Snowflake?  I just read about 6 different deffinitions, all are unique, and special in their own little way, and these are the Definitions of Snowflake.

That wasn't the question, Jed.  What do you mean by Snowflakes?  Your assertion that there is a universally accepted meaning for the term (Removed from the assholes that coined it) didn't pan out. You're using the term, pretty much exclusively here, and it's confusing me.  In the interest of understanding, please clarify it for me.

[Jed_]

Maybe someone can fix the link.

What do YOU mean by Snowflake?  I just read about 6 different deffinitions, all are unique, and special in their own little way, and these are the Definitions of Snowflake.

That wasn't the question, Jed.  What do you mean by Snowflakes?  Your assertion that there is a universally accepted meaning for the term (Removed from the assholes that coined it) didn't pan out. You're using the term, pretty much exclusively here, and it's confusing me.  In the interest of understanding, please clarify it for me.

Copied from Wiki, and this is what I mean when I refer to the phenomenon of ‘snowflake‘, primarily the last sentence commenting on the lack of resilience:

Generation Snowflake   Edit
Main article: Generation Snowflake
The term "Generation Snowflake" was popularized following a 2015 student/faculty confrontation at Yale University which was later discussed in Claire Fox's 2016 book, I Find That Offensive!. The confrontation arose between university students and faculty Head of College, Nicholas Christakis. The confrontation, which was recorded and uploaded to YouTube, shows university students arguing with Christakis over a disagreement regarding Halloween costumes and the degree to which Yale university should intervene regarding student costumes which may be perceived as cultural appropriation. Fox described the video as showing a: "screaming, almost hysterical mob of students" and that the backlash to the viral video led to the disparaging moniker "generation snowflake" for the students.[7]

According to a 2016 article by Helen Rumbelow published in The Australian: "The term 'generation snowflake' started in the United States. Parents cherished their offspring as 'precious little snowflakes', each alike but unique, or 'everyone is special'."[8] Claire Fox argues recent parenting philosophy led to parenting methods which "denied resilience-building freedoms that past generations enjoyed".[9]

[RopeFiend]

You linked me to a page where Wikipedia (Of all sources) doesn't have a page by that name yet.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Everyone is a snowflake.  The top Urban Dictionary definition says "Someone who thinks they're special when they're really not."

That's everyone, snowflake.

Maybe someone can fix the link.  I tried several times, but at least it takes me to a page that asks me if I’m looking for ‘snowflake (slang)’.  I can’t get the last ‘)’ of the link to be included.

And the other link says a bit more than that.

I fixed it.  If you look at the source for that post, it now looks like this:

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[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)[/url]
Dunno why the HTML linkifier is gagging on that final parenthesis, but it works in a URL tag.

[Jed_]

Okay, let me try another postition:  Where are these safe places that incubate intolerance on college campuses?  If that's the causality here, safe places are causing this Entitlement, then where are they?  If they already exist, and are responsible for the movement to have safe places, where nobody will ever be offended (Also a fantasy, but not one of anyone here) then what does this movement have to fight so hard for?  They already have the safe spaces that created them, so why are they asking for the safe spaces that created them?

You see the circular logic here?  The movement is ignorant, and naive.  (They are also young, and politically inexperienced, what Colleges are funded to fix.)  But if the Safe Spaces created the movement, then why aren't they there, now, in their Echo Chamber, plotting to take over the world?  Why are they lobbying for the Safe Space they sprang from?

I just don't understand the Title of this argument.  It doesn't make sense.  I'm not even sure which is supposed to be the chicken, and which one the egg any more.  

I got no clue where such places would be or look like.  Ask a college student like the Irish slut.  I just theorize as a straight white older male with opinions that possibly differ from the occupants however so slightly, my presence in such a place would be unwelcome.

[psiberzerker]

I got no clue where such places would be or look like.  Ask a college student like the Irish slut.  I just theorize as a straight white older male with opinions that possibly differ from the occupants however so slightly, my presence in such a place would be unwelcome.

Yeah, well considering the Pavlovian accusations spring up on site, before she reads the Quote that she said, I'm probably going to have to ask another college student, but I know there's none on the Waco campus of Baylor, because we don't have the students rizing with pitchforks, and torches to purge the town of anything transgender there.  (And again, it's a Baptist private school)  They have private unisex bathrooms availble, though.  

Maybe that's what makes me so racist, and sexist to white men?  Look, this is not new.  Okay?  I remember when lesbians were trying to remove anything that had the word Men, or Man from the english language, to the point that they used the term "Womanual labor" conversationally.  Spelled it Womon, and Wymyn, in the late 80s.  Okay?  I can tell you, from experince, this isn't a Millenial thing, and they certainly were enough against "Breeders" that they didn't birth that generation, either.  I've been kicked out of safe spaces since before these students were even born.

Oi!

[Jed_]

You linked me to a page where Wikipedia (Of all sources) doesn't have a page by that name yet.

Thanks for clearing that up.  Everyone is a snowflake.  The top Urban Dictionary definition says "Someone who thinks they're special when they're really not."

That's everyone, snowflake.

Maybe someone can fix the link.  I tried several times, but at least it takes me to a page that asks me if I’m looking for ‘snowflake (slang)’.  I can’t get the last ‘)’ of the link to be included.

And the other link says a bit more than that.

I fixed it.  If you look at the source for that post, it now looks like this:

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[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowflake_(slang)[/url]
Dunno why the HTML linkifier is gagging on that final parenthesis, but it works in a URL tag.

Thanks RF

[IrishGirl]

Sharing responsibility for the actions of others in similar groups is generally a bad idea, in my opinion. Unless some direct link between my actions and a perceived negative result can be made then I'm not going to even entertain the idea that I should take blame for shit other people have done.

The thing is, you very definitely can directly link the actions of parents to negative results in the actions of their children in many cases. If we must lay blame before pursuing a solution, then the lion's share of the blame obviously still rests with the people who directly caused the problem, but there is no harm at all in emphasising the role of parents in avoiding the cycle of intergenerational cuntiness.

Way to keep sheltering us even from our own mistakes.