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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/safe-spaces-college-intolerant_us_58d957a6e4b02a2eaab66ccf

Van Jones, an American political and civil rights activist and former adviser to former President Barack Obama, recently spoke at the University of Chicago. The host asked Jones about the increasing demand from students to be protected from ideas and speakers they don’t like.

Van Jones’s response deserves to be quoted at length. It was a compelling argument for political and ideological diversity on college campuses and for young people’s need to be challenged in order to grow and mature as human beings and maybe at some point make a difference in society. Jones castigated ideological self-segregation.

“There are two ideas about safe spaces,” he explained, referring to some college students’ request for “safe spaces,” where they can get together without being exposed to ideas and speech that make them feel uncomfortable. “One is a very good idea, and one is a terrible idea.” The good idea, he said, is “being physically safe on campus, not being subjected to sexual harassment and physical abuse.”

Jones continued:

“But there is another view that is now ascendant … It’s a horrible view, which is that ‘I need to be safe ideologically, I need to be safe emotionally, I just need to feel good all the time. And if someone else says something that I don’t like, that is a problem for everyone else, including the administration.”

Jones suggested that safe spaces insulating students from certain ideas contradicts the purpose of a university:

    I think that’s a terrible idea for the following reason: I don’t want you to be safe ideologically. I don’t want you to be safe emotionally. I want you to be strong. That’s different. I’m not going to pave the jungle for you. Put on some boots, and learn how to deal with adversity. I’m not going to take the weights out of the gym. That’s the whole point of the gym.

    You can’t live on a campus where people say stuff that you don’t like? […] You are creating a kind if liberalism that the minute it crosses the street into the real world is not just useless but obnoxious and dangerous. I want you to be offended every single day on this campus. I want you to be deeply aggrieved and offended and upset and then to learn how to speak back.

Van Jones’s remarks were met with applause from the audience. But six professors at Wellesley College didn’t hear or didn’t heed Van Jones’s advice. In an email to the Wellesley community in the aftermath of a recent visit by leading feminist intellectual and cultural critic Laura Kipnis, they proposed setting up a censorship committee to vet speakers in order to make sure that “disempowered groups” would be protected from ideas and speech they find offensive and harmful. The professors claimed that bringing somebody like Kipnis and other “guest speakers with controversial and objectionable beliefs” to campus “impose on the liberty of students, staff and faculty at Wellesley.”

This is exactly the kind of reasoning dictatorships use to shut down unwanted speech, where censorship is justified in the name of security, public safety or social harmony. That’s top-down censorship. But censorship can also be exercised from the bottom up. This has been the case with students who exclude, disinvite and shut down speakers whose opinions they don’t like. It’s a big irony that the Wellesley professors’ call for censorship happened as a reaction to Kipnis’s talk at Censorship Awareness Week. And it’s baffling to see professors at an elite college being unable to distinguish between bullying the disempowered and making an argument. Alexis Zhang, a former Wellesley student, castigated the professors’ e-mail in an op-ed in the Boston Herald:

    The message — shocking for any institution of learning — is that Wellesley students should not need to tax their minds and hearts rebutting arguments they find disagreeable.

As a Wellesley alumna, I find this alarming. What would a campus without disagreement look like? How can Wellesley do its job of preparing women leaders to challenge orthodoxies and make their mark on the world without unfettered commitment to freedom of expression and dialogue? As the college’s own mission statement points out: ‘There is no greater benefit to one’s intellectual and social development … than the forthright engagement with and exploration of unfamiliar viewpoints and experiences.’

In 2015, Obama gave a speech to high school students in Des Moines, Iowa, in which he talked about his own experience as a student belonging to a disempowered group and being raised by a single mother. Obama stressed the need for ideological diversity on college campuses:

    Look, the purpose of college is not just, as I said before, to transmit skills. It’s also to widen your horizons; to make you a better citizen; to help you to evaluate information; to help you make your way through the world; to help you be more creative. The way to do that is to create a space where a lot of ideas are presented and collide, and people are having arguments, and people are testing each other’s theories, and over time, people learn from each other, because they’re getting out of their own narrow point of view and having a broader point of view. …

[W]hen I went to college, suddenly there were some folks who didn’t think at all like me. And if I had an opinion about something, they’d look at me and say, well, that’s stupid. And then they’d describe how they saw the world. And they might have had a different sense of politics, or they might have a different view about poverty, or they might have a different perspective on race, and sometimes their views would be infuriating to me. But it was because there was this space where you could interact with people who didn’t agree with you and had different backgrounds that I then started testing my own assumptions. And sometimes I changed my mind. Sometimes I realized, you know what, maybe I’ve been too narrow-minded. Maybe I didn’t take this into account. Maybe I should see this person’s perspective.

Laura Kipnis is a professor at Northwestern University, where she teaches filmmaking, and she is the author of five books on a wide range of topics. Two years ago, she became the target of a so-called Title IX investigation after having published an essay in Chronicle of Higher Education criticizing “sexual paranoia” on campuses. Two graduate students filed Title IX complaints arguing that the essay had a “chilling effect” on students’ ability to report sexual misconduct. After a 72-day investigation, Kipnis was cleared of any wrongdoing. But only after she publicly exposed her treatment in a second essay titled “My Title IX Inquisition.”

Title IX is a 1972 law intended to protect students against sexual discrimination, but its application has been expanded so the law is now being used, among other things, to police classroom content. The law has been criticized by free speech groups like the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. Kipnis was invited to Wellesley as part of Censorship Awareness Week to talk about her case and her forthcoming book Unwanted Advances: Sexual Paranoia Comes to Campus. (Full disclosure ― I spoke at Censorship Awareness Week the day after Kipnis.)

In her talk ― I was in the audience during her talk with my daughter ― Kipnis criticized what she sees as a deranged feminism driven by a new paternalism that is based on the notion that women need to be protected while men have to be surveilled. Kipnis said there’s no better way to subjugate women than to tell them that an assault awaits around every corner. Kipnis suggested that young women should be taught self-defense and learn how to turn down unwanted advances. There’s an urgent need for sexual education of young people.

Kipnis perceives that what is going on on college campuses is part of a broader cultural shift: “My generation saw sex as a source of pleasure and liberation. Today, many see it as a risk and a danger that demands more control by university administrations. It implies delegating enormous power to employers and administrations instead of being in control of our own lives. If this is called feminism, then feminism is broken.”

Kipnis’s talk was well-received. It was a small audience, 30 people or so, a mix of students, professors and guests with no connection to Wellesley College. Most questions were asked to clarify points with no stated disagreements. Nobody was forced to attend the speech.

Kipnis was challenged by two female students. One explained that administrative regulation and the anti-sexual misconduct movement has contributed to her sexual liberation. It has given her more power in sexual relations because she is aware of her rights. Another student took issue with Kipnis’s thesis about sexual paranoia on campus and a reference to statistics showing that there are fewer cases of sexual abuse. The student said that a majority of her close friends have been sexually assaulted by longtime boyfriends and not taken legal recourse even though they had been forced to have sex against their will. The disagreements were expressed forcefully, though there was no sense of hostility. It was an enlightened exchange of opinions.

Kipnis’s talk and the following back-and-forth with the audience unfolded in a spirit of mutual civility and a willingness to listen to one another. Kipnis praised the students for asking questions that revealed key dilemmas in the debate about sexual misconduct on campuses. The six Wellesley professors who accused Kipnis of “bullying the disempowered” in her lecture have no base in reality. In an interview, Kipnis called the accusation “absurd.”

“What actually happened,” she said, “was that there was a lively back-and-forth after I spoke. The students were smart and articulate, including those who disagreed with me.”

The potentially disastrous consequences of the position stated by the six Wellesley professors reach far beyond college campuses. To many Americans, the 2016 election was a wake-up call. Jonathan Haidt, a professor of moral psychology at New York University and a vocal supporter of political diversity on campuses, put it this way:

    Americans have long known that they have racial, ethnic, class and partisan divides. But the 2016 presidential election has forced all of us to recognize that these gaps may be far larger, more numerous and more dangerous than we thought. Americans are not just failing to meet each other and know each other. Increasingly, we hate each other — particularly across the partisan divide.

In order to fight ideological self-segregation, some media organizations have introduced new features. The New York Times regularly references noteworthy writing from both the left and right. New apps are being developed to help users getting out of their bubbles to be exposed to points of views that they disagree with. 

Ideological and other kinds of diversity are important on college campuses and in a liberal democracy because they cultivate tolerance, which in many ways is diametrical to our instincts. We have to learn to live side by side with values, opinions and ways of life that we don’t like. It’s crucial for the concept of tolerance that we speak out against what we disagree with. But there are limits. The concept of tolerance implies that we refrain from using violence, intimidation, threats and bans to silence our opponents. This isn’t easy. It’s painful. In Europe, it took our forefathers hundreds of years to foster a climate of peaceful coexistence among communities adhering to different beliefs.

Providing room for ideological diversity also helps fight extremism and destructive polarization. Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, wrote an important book called Going to Extremes: How Like Minds Unite and Divide. He analyzes social-psychological experiments dealing with group dynamics, extremism and polarization. His conclusion: When people find themselves in groups of likeminded types, they are especially likely to move to extremes. When people on the left and on the right only talk to likeminded people, their opinions tend to become more extreme. This insight is not limited to particular periods, nations and cultures. It happens in politics, families, businesses, faith-based communities and student organizations.

It doesn’t mean that individuals and society won’t benefit from deliberations within communities. This promotes the development of positions that would otherwise be invisible or silenced. Many social movements have been made possible through this route, including the civil rights movement and the LGBTQ rights movement. However, it is important to ensure that such enclaves are not walled off from competing views and that there is an exchange of views between members of a group and those who disagree with them.

Sunstein’s argument explains the value of bringing somebody like Laura Kipnis to Wellesley. It also explains why it is of value to invite the libertarian Charles Murray to speak at Middlebury College and engage with students who don’t like his work. The importance of listening to people with whom we disagree involves a process that is fundamental to being human beings. As the British historian Timothy Garton Ash puts it in his excellent book on free speech:

    Only with freedom of expression can I understand what it is to be you. Only by articulating our differences can we clearly see what they are, and why they are what they are.

    Openness about all kinds of human difference is as vital as civility. I cannot fully express myself – that is, my self – unless I identify my differences with others. We all notice differences and respond to them both consciously and unconsciously. Unless we explore these responses and feelings, we have no chance of digging down to the hidden biases of which we are not aware. If we “speak as we feel/not what we ought to say,” as Shakespeare puts it at the end of King Lear, we can learn from experience what is hurtful to others and hence discover for ourselves what it takes to live together as neighbors.

Editor’s note: Wellesley College submitted this comment to The WorldPost, “Wellesley College strongly supports diverse opinions and the ability to voice opposing views. We have always encouraged open, respectful and fact-based community conversation and will continue to do so.”

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“There are two ideas about safe spaces,” he explained, referring to some college students’ request for “safe spaces,” where they can get together without being exposed to ideas and speech that make them feel uncomfortable.

“But there is another view that is now ascendant … It’s a horrible view, which is that ‘I need to be safe ideologically, I need to be safe emotionally, I just need to feel good all the time. And if someone else says something that I don’t like, that is a problem for everyone else, including the administration.”

Who's saying this?  Despite his credentials, this is an old establishment man saying that Millenials don't know how Safe Places work, or understand the concept very well.  I'd like to hear from real people this stupid, and misguided who aren't Incels, or MGTOW.  These are the only active groups so insane they believe that this is what "Safe Places" mean, and cleanse the internet of SJWs with rape threats against feminists, and armed terrorist attacks on publicly funded Schools.

What schools?  Christian schools?  Because christian schools are idealogical Safe Places where they don't want to hear speech on triggering subjects, like Evolution, and Contraception.  Otherwise, of you don't want to hear lectures on Women's Rights, you don't Pay to attend those lectures in Women's Studies 101.  What school is rounding up students, nd forcing them to hear free lectures from guest lecturers on subjects they didn't Pay for?

I'd like to see evidence to support any of these allegations.
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I'd like to see evidence to support any of these allegations.


Spend one week on an average American college campus and you'll accumulate more evidence than you need to support these allegations.





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Spend one week on an average American college campus and you'll accumulate more evidence than you need to support these allegations.

Or on the internet?  You're telling me that there's anything new and original being said on College campuses that hasn't already been said, blogged about, and vlogged about on the internet?  I'll just go ahead, hitch up my skirts, and prove a negative, then.

That takes gas money, you're making the claim and I'm on my first cup of coffee.  You can't buy a phone that doesn't have a camera any more, and I have Karen Gillan's naked selfies right here.

Video or it never happened.  Anything I came back with short of video would be an anectdotal Strawman to refute this straw kabal.  Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some Dark Sumatra to enjoy.

Also, it just so happens that the internet I use is on a College Campus (They have the best coffee.)  I haven't heard any of this from the Baylor girls, and that's a fucking Christian school.  Baptist.  I knew Britney Griner before she went Pro.  Great girl, very progressive, never heard any of this shit from her.  What idealogogies do they want to be protected from that aren't Rape, Abortions, Evolution, or Atheists?
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Need I remind you, this is coming from the queen of transgender conspiracies (That I never heard of) taking over campuses, and unsubstantiated claims that she had to go to college to learn Bias.  Somebody back this up, or at least provide specifics.  What ideologies do these millenials need protection from?  If it's across the university system, it's across the internet.  Back her up with evidence, because you know she won't.



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Don't you have access to search engines?

I'm ashamed to say that these examples from UK universities - modern universities seem to think their students are far more fragile than when I went 30 years ago (I spent my spare time taking delight in winding up all parts of the political spectrum, as well as religious activist groups (the debate over whether the Union should offer unconditional support to the existence of Palestine was particularly tense) and the university itself (we renamed a building "The Bruce Willis Building"); not only was I not denied a platform, I was elected to be the editor of the student newspaper*, and invited to a buffet with the Duke of Edinburgh**.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/11658770/Trouble-on-campus-the-rise-of-ban-happy-student-leaders.html


* the same night upon which I was declared an honorary woman
** it was only a few months earlier that I was nearly arrested by the security team surrounding the Prince of Wales!



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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/11658770/Trouble-on-campus-the-rise-of-ban-happy-student-leaders.html

Thank you.  Here's a WOO!  All I asked, now if you'll excuse me, I'll get started on the reading...

Seriously, @Idleboast.  Excellent example.  Damned near perfect, if it had only been an American university.  That's about the only flaw, they're protesting a guest lecture from a TERF?  Remind me tomorrow to give you another WOO! for that.  Good job!
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https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/about

"We are an ambitious and innovative university with a bold and strategic vision located in a beautiful and thriving capital city. Our world-leading research was ranked 5th amongst UK universities in the 2014 Research Excellence Framework for quality and 2nd for impact. We provide an educationally outstanding experience for our students.

Driven by creativity and curiosity, we strive to fulfil our social, cultural and economic obligations to Cardiff, Wales, and the world."

Irony!  Okay, now how much traction are they getting in excercising their Free Speech?  I'm going to argue both sides here, so bear with me:

The students have the right to protest.  The school has the right to say "No," and the same students have the right not to attend the lecture, by a TERF, on Women's Issues.

Now, I hate TERFs.  They hate me, so I believe that's fair.  However, in the school's defense, they are a Government Institution (Sorry, I'm not up on the precedents for Free Speech in Wales) so they can neither silence the speaker, nor the protesters on this one.  The fairest course of action would be to let Her speak, and let Them protest.  You don't have to listen to any of them.  It's not a mandatory lecture, and you can argue with the protester until you get dun banging your Hydra against that wall.

Here, in America, you have the right to protest floride in the water, AND government implants reverse engineered from mind probes from aliens from outer space.  You have the right to a tinfoil fedora, and you also have the right to not be taken seriously.

They're college students, some of them are ignorant, or they wouldn't be there to learn.  Let them protest.  I'll be worried when college campus start to censor their lecturers, because they are Government institutions, but right now I'm more concerned with Abstinence Education, school children being taught that evolution is "Just a theory," and the hymen is the barrier between virginity, and adulthood (In the boy's room.)

I am transgender, and I'm not included.  Being excluded by Radical Feminists is about as outrageous as being excluded by normal women who blog about why they Don't need feminism, and believe that by law, Transpeople want to dress up as women to invade their Safe Space while they're trying to pee.

I don't have a Safe Space.  None, anywhere, I don't even have a toilet.  I have a 5 gallon bucket, and a lid to sit on.  I am legally considered a career criminal for giving guys that "Always wanted to fuck a tranny" unliscenced emotional therapy Pro Bono.  I was arrested for being in a girl's room, then punished by Gang Rape in a men's pod at the Wake County jail.

As long as the Government doesn't censor either side, that includes agencies of the Government, like public schools, everyone has the right to be wrong.  When they start to actually Teach that the Earth is flat, and the Egyptians were white, then we have a problem.

Any more bad examples?
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2 sides, fighting over who can yell the loudest is not censorship.  It's Free Speech.



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I'd like to see evidence to support any of these allegations.


Spend one week on an average American college campus and you'll accumulate more evidence than you need to support these allegations.





Two people in my house go to college, and I can confirm from them that the students there behave less mature than toddlers and complain about everything. My sister says the kids in this house are far more advanced not only intellectually but they're way more mature than the "students" there.

I could tell you stories about what my sister and her wifey have gone through in their time in college, but I won't because no one cares. Needless to say they're desperate to get out of there.



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Reply #10 on: October 02, 2018, 04:55:25 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/millennials-are-snowflakes-heres-data-prove-it-670662%3famp=1


I only just learned about this phenomenon within the last month.  While the term snowflake has been hijacked by conservatives to ironically label anyone who disagrees with them, there is another origin to the term.




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Reply #11 on: October 02, 2018, 04:58:21 PM
While the term snowflake has been hijacked by conservatives to ironically label anyone who disagrees with them, there is another origin to the term.

That's right.  Every snowflake is unique and special, just like any other.  That's the original origin of the term.

The trick is, when the horse, and the pig argue over who gets to be more equal?  Making sure neither one wins.  The lesser evil doesn't work for the greater good.
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Reply #12 on: October 02, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
I think by allowing echo chamber cultures to develop in colleges, they are preparing their students for culture shock once they graduate.

How do they prevent "Echo chamber cultures" from developing without censorship?  If the right to free speech only applies to one side of the argument, it's not a right, it's a privilege.  Everyone has the right to not be taken seriously.

Safe Spaces On College Campuses Are Creating Intolerant Students

Also, once again the thread title is misleading.  So far all I've seen is intolerant students attempting to create Safe Spaces.  You've got it bass akwards again.
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Reply #13 on: October 02, 2018, 05:41:03 PM

Spend one week on an average American college campus and you'll accumulate more evidence than you need to support these allegations.


Or on the internet?  You're telling me that there's anything new and original being said on College campuses that hasn't already been said, blogged about, and vlogged about on the internet?  I'll just go ahead, hitch up my skirts, and prove a negative, then.

That takes gas money, you're making the claim and I'm on my first cup of coffee.  You can't buy a phone that doesn't have a camera any more, and I have Karen Gillan's naked selfies right here.

Video or it never happened.  Anything I came back with short of video would be an anectdotal Strawman to refute this straw kabal.  Now, if you'll excuse me, I have some Dark Sumatra to enjoy.

Also, it just so happens that the internet I use is on a College Campus (They have the best coffee.)  I haven't heard any of this from the Baylor girls, and that's a fucking Christian school.  Baptist.  I knew Britney Griner before she went Pro.  Great girl, very progressive, never heard any of this shit from her.  What idealogogies do they want to be protected from that aren't Rape, Abortions, Evolution, or Atheists?


I was speaking rhetorically. And I assumed that was pretty clear.

So, no, I'm not demanding you spend a week on the campus where I work, another college campus, or even a college campus near where you live.

And, yes, the Internet is an acceptable substitute. In fact, I'll make it easy for you: just click on the link included in the OP, and off you go!





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Reply #14 on: October 02, 2018, 05:44:54 PM
And, yes, the Internet is an acceptable substitute. In fact, I'll make it easy for you: just click on the link included in the OP, and off you go!

I already read the article once, and replied to it several times.  Do you expect a different result from reading it again?  Because that's the definition of insanity.

So, again.  Since you missed my last point, how is this not Intolerant College Students creating Safe Spaces, instead of the other way around?  Don't they teach cause and effect in those Bias courses any more?
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Reply #15 on: October 02, 2018, 06:00:43 PM

And, yes, the Internet is an acceptable substitute. In fact, I'll make it easy for you: just click on the link included in the OP, and off you go!


I already read the article once, and replied to it several times.  Do you expect a different result from reading it again?  Because that's the definition of insanity.

So, again.  Since you missed my last point, how is this not Intolerant College Students creating Safe Spaces, instead of the other way around?  Don't they teach cause and effect in those Bias classes any more?


You really need to relax.

I may be alone in this, but it's the "replied to it several times" part that renders me incapable of understanding exactly what your point it, or what you are trying to say.

You're correct: Thus far, you've responded nine times already. Your first response was to attack the OP -- and there's nothing wrong with that -- and then go off in five different directions, almost none of which relate to the content of the OP. And then you both deny (or dismiss out of hand) presented information -- including information from several different people who clearly know what they're talking about.

You are, of course, perfectly free to post what you want, in whatever style that you want, and as frequently as you want.

Based reading many of your previous posts, it's clear to me that you have many interesting and insightful things to say. So why bury your insights and observations beneath a flurry of posts that make dozens of points in every possible direction? I want to listen to and understand what you're saying, but I can't find the needles in the haystack.






 



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Reply #16 on: October 02, 2018, 06:05:17 PM
So why bury your insights and observations beneath a flurry of posts that make dozens of points in every possible direction?

If you ask me a question, directly.  I will answer, directly.  Not assume that it's rhetorical.  Most of those "Flurry of posts" were in answer to direct questions, so kindly extend me the same courtesy, so I don't have to repeat myself, again:

How is this not Intolerant College Students creating Safe Spaces, instead of Safe Spaces creating Intolerance?  It's the same assumption, that millenials have to go to college to learn bias.  Slightly repackaged.

Here's an idea, @IrishGirl:  Since you're dual citizen, and apparently know people in the British college system, why don't you see if you can get accepted to Cardiff University?  Where they feature lectures from TERFs to protect yourself from Transsexuals taking over your Safe Space.  Isn't that why you already changed schools?  You didn't feel safe where people like me dared to want the privilege of higher education?

Well, there you go.  You should be safe there, I'm sure they have great courses on how to avoid Bias.  While you're there, try to scream over the people protesting out front.
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Reply #17 on: October 02, 2018, 06:53:07 PM
Safe Spaces On College Campuses Are Creating Intolerant Students

Also, once again the thread title is misleading.  So far all I've seen is intolerant students attempting to create Safe Spaces.  You've got it bass akwards again.

For once, I'll "side" with IrishGirl - the safe spaces are formed by small groups of individuals that think they know best, and very often the existence of those "spaces" is not advertised or obvious, there's just a paragraph buried in a policy document somewhere, and a tiny clique picking and choosing who [not] to invite to speak or present. Their choices only rarely make the headlines.

Those censoring groups may be the Universities, or the student bodies, but the broader student body, newly in the wide world, focussed on learning and/or partying, so often don't notice that they are in a filterbubble until they find themselves signing a petition to preserve that safe space.

(Oh, and whilst UK Universities are (largely) government-funded, their independence from government control is an ancient and jealously-preserved tradition.)



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Reply #18 on: October 02, 2018, 07:34:51 PM
I haven’t been on a college campus in several years, and when I was I recall some (but certainly not all) student activism seeming to trend toward the ridiculous, but nothing like I’ve heard recently (admittedly not first hand).

I can’t imagine where these hypersensitive coddled immature little darlings expect to be employed once they do graduate?  Probably sometime after the 30th time in the same week they are ranting to HR about some perceived slight or imaginary threat, HR will show them the door.  Then I’m sure they will try to hire an attorney to sue for wrongful termination, and if they do make it into a courtroom, the judge will just look at them and say, “Grow up.”



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Reply #19 on: October 02, 2018, 07:43:00 PM

And, yes, the Internet is an acceptable substitute. In fact, I'll make it easy for you: just click on the link included in the OP, and off you go!


I already read the article once, and replied to it several times.  Do you expect a different result from reading it again?  Because that's the definition of insanity.

So, again.  Since you missed my last point, how is this not Intolerant College Students creating Safe Spaces, instead of the other way around?  Don't they teach cause and effect in those Bias classes any more?


You really need to relax.

I may be alone in this, but it's the "replied to it several times" part that renders me incapable of understanding exactly what your point it, or what you are trying to say.

You're correct: Thus far, you've responded nine times already. Your first response was to attack the OP -- and there's nothing wrong with that -- and then go off in five different directions, almost none of which relate to the content of the OP. And then you both deny (or dismiss out of hand) presented information -- including information from several different people who clearly know what they're talking about.

You are, of course, perfectly free to post what you want, in whatever style that you want, and as frequently as you want.

Based reading many of your previous posts, it's clear to me that you have many interesting and insightful things to say. So why bury your insights and observations beneath a flurry of posts that make dozens of points in every possible direction? I want to listen to and understand what you're saying, but I can't find the needles in the haystack.






 




That’s a succinct summation Miss B.  The rare occasions I sometimes read a post and rock with laughter is the only reason I bother, because the vast majority of the time it’s frustrating to do anything but scan them.