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Reply #100 on: September 28, 2018, 04:39:06 PM
I do have protective instincts towards IrishGirl, as I do for all victims of sexual assault, her even more so due to extended interaction and affection born of that.  But I’m not monitoring posts to protect her from anyone here, more the reverse and to keep her out of trouble.

As far as me trying to bed the cute little spitfire, That was always unlikely and now so improbable that it’s not worth discussion other than to stick a pin in any inflated speculation on it.

She has a strong belief that the far left is as dangerous and possibly more dangerous than the far right.  She has undergone real personal attacks from such people in college.  I wasn’t aware of the existence of what she was referring to until recently.  I always figured the term ‘snowflake’ was just one more derogatory phrase used by the right to blanket label anyone that disagreed with them.  Turns out from reading I discovered as least one source of the term to describe the phenomena of overprotective suburban millennial parents coddling their children to the point of disfunction.  They sterilize their homes and never let their kids out of their sight resulting in individuals that never really grew up and are mentally incapable of parsing any viewpoint they see as conflicting with their own.  And now these kids are reigning havoc on college campuses to the point even the professors feel under siege, forced to overthink every single word they utter or write for fear of precipitating a convoluted attack of outlandish accusations.

It seems to be her current hobby to search out and engage such far left people in debate.  She believes Athos to be part of the dangerous far left.  Personally, I think she gives him way too much credit on that, but it seems he’s all she’s got for the moment as a foil.  His responses to me seem to be limited to ‘go fuck yourself’ and ‘whatever dude’, so hardly worthy of a good debate.

Overall, other than a great deal of self-sabotage the far left does to liberal causes by behaving ridiculously, sometimes violently and giving the right examples they can hold up and with a broad brush paint all on the left as being like that, I don’t think these people are particularly dangerous politically.  Such far left people will never have any real political power like the far right does with their Freedom Caucus and that orange demagogue clown in the Oval Office.



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Reply #101 on: September 28, 2018, 04:48:23 PM
I do have protective instincts towards IrishGirl, as I do for all victims of sexual assault, her even more so due to extended interaction and affection born of that.  But I’m not monitoring posts to protect her from anyone here, more the reverse and to keep her out of trouble.

Yeah, the last thing she needs is someone to defend her, on the assumption that she can't speak for herself.  She does occasionally have trouble controlling her outbursts, but I'm not really one to call on that, am I?

As much as we lock horns, I respect her fire.  In fact, a lot more than anyone who just agrees with me.



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Reply #102 on: September 28, 2018, 05:47:59 PM
There were so many subplots to that congressional soap opera yesterday.

Lindsey Graham’s shrill histrionics during his supposed outrage at Kavanaugh’s predicament had me wondering how the old men of the GOP would have reacted to a similar outburst if it came from say a woman like Kamala Harris.  They would have rolled their eyes in unspoken derision of her behaving just like a woman.  Instead it was Lindsey Graham with the ‘girlish’ behavior.

And how about Orrin Hatch describing Ford as ‘attractive’, and when pressed on what he meant then called her ‘pleasing’.  Ah come on Orrin, admit that during her description of her assault you began sporting a little chubby and fantasizing it was you trying to rape her.



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Reply #103 on: September 28, 2018, 05:59:29 PM
Lindsey Graham with the ‘girlish’ behavior.

Yeah, but he's always been a histrionic little cunt.  It never bothered them before.  That's what Sexism is, having different standards for men, and women.



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Reply #104 on: September 28, 2018, 11:15:01 PM
She does occasionally have trouble controlling her outbursts, but I'm not really one to call on that, am I?



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Reply #105 on: September 28, 2018, 11:16:36 PM
Pot Kettle Black

Well, thank you so much for qouting me for calling myself on the same fucking thing.  Or in other words, kettle calling kettle black.



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Reply #106 on: September 28, 2018, 11:18:09 PM


Did you find Brett, particularly believable?  

That doesn't matter, what matters is presuming guilt without evidence.  And presuming guilt with contrary evidence...

...So long as you are doing that, you're wrong.  It doesn't matter if Brett is a good candidate or not.  Even in a job interview you do NOT have the right to take away his Due Process.

I know it's hard for you lot to understand, but just because you don't like someone or something does NOT mean that they don't get the same rights as the people you do like.

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Reply #107 on: September 29, 2018, 01:20:41 AM
They are doing a limited in scope investigation, so there’s at least a partial ‘due process’ you say is needed slut (and I agree).  And as you acknowledge, it is a job interview, yet one that does require due process unlike one I might have.

I can imagine a job interview I might have where they tell me, ‘You are on this KB site where stories about children being raped are present.  This does not reflect our values, so we will not be hiring you.’  I can claim truthfully that I’ve done nothing illegal, and that not only do I not read those stories, I have at times strenuously objected to such content.  Guess what, none of that would matter as it’s a job interview and not a criminal proceeding.

Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker by many accounts.  I’ve been one too at times in my youth.  I recall in college waking one morning very sore and covered in bruises.  I had no memory of how I got like that, and I asked someone I knew was at the party what happened to me.  The conversation went something like this:
“You fell down the stairs.”
“The stairs that go down 4 flights.”
“Yep.”
“When did I do that?”
“Which time?”
“I did it more than once?”
“Yep.”
The point being I had no memory of that, hence I had a blackout.  In all those descriptions of Kavanaugh’s heavy drinking, there’s no way in hell he didn’t have a similar blackout, yet he claims he never had a blackout in his life (under oath in front of congress).  Bullshit, and to me that’s proof he’s a liar and committed a crime lying to congress.

All that righteous indignation on his part at the hearing yesterday rang hollow to me.  His choirboy interview on Fox and his comments before and since (to me) seems like some false narrative he’s constructed to whitewash his past instead of owning up to it.  His outrage seemed (again to me) to have far less to do with refuting what he believes to be false accusations, but more about how dare anyone challenge a prep school / Yale man on his entitlement to his destiny.

If he attains SCOTUS, it will be a huge setback for women and the country.  His rulings will be 100% partisan representing the country’s minority view.  And that’s the big problem, the minority in this country are overruling the majority.

When they talk about reasonable doubt, it’s usually in regards to convicting someone.  In this case there’s reasonable doubt of his qualifications.

So in short Irish slut, I at least partially disagree with you on this.  I wonder what Athos will make of that since he’s convinced I agree with you only to bone you?
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Reply #108 on: September 29, 2018, 02:14:55 AM
Jed, I rarely opine in the politics section because I'm not up on current events like some others, however in the last few days of SCOTUS nomination and because I agree with you I will risks the boos sure to rain down from the resident copy paster.

This may be the apex of a woman's movement ever known. Without more background checking, a decision by the old men Senators to pass this candidate into a lifetime position would be a slap in the face to any of us that have watched ourselves and passed up some good friends and good times to stay safe. It is saying we are all fair game and to be ignored. Politics be dammed, this situation is about right and wrong.
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Reply #109 on: September 29, 2018, 02:23:39 AM
Well said staci, and I just got a boo from him that feels more like a badge of honor at this point.



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Reply #110 on: September 29, 2018, 02:29:27 AM
The presumption of innocence until proven guilty applies to how the government treats you prior to trial.  No trial is going on here.  Rather these are hearings concerning Kavanaugh's suitability and character to determine if he should be appointed to the highest court in the land.

And I remember when (Reagan nominee 1986) Douglas H. Ginsburg’s admission of smoking marijuana disqualified him from being appointed to the Supreme Court.

During these hearings Kavanaugh has lied about his drinking. He has also lied regarding his role concerning the vetting and preparation of others pending thier appointments to judicial positions with other federal courts.

He has been accused of sexual assaults, and yet he opposes a supplemental FBI background check that could clear him.  He had 65 women sign a letter saying he has always been a gentleman and presented it once the hearings began.  WTF?  It’s like he expected issues in this regard.

And during the proceedings he has shown himself to be a whiney asshole that falls back on partisan conspiracy theories when confronted by women accusing him of sexual assaults.

In my judgment, he has shown poor character during these hearings.  I do not believe he has the character needed to serve on our highest court.

I have heard that Kavanaugh is a judicial moderate when compared to the list that Trump circulated during his campaign.  If this is true, then the Democrats have nothing to gain by forcing Trump to nominate another who would likely be more right-wing.



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Reply #111 on: September 29, 2018, 02:39:08 AM
Who’s next in line, Judge Roy Moore or perhaps Joe Arpaio?



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Reply #112 on: September 29, 2018, 03:56:19 AM
It doesn't matter if Brett is a good candidate or not.  Even in a job interview you do NOT have the right to take away his Due Process.

LOL!  I'm not on the Senate Judiciary Comittee.  I don't have the Power to take away his due process.  The question was:

Do

You

Believe

Him?

Answer the question, and then let the Government worry about his Due Process.  It's a lot of fun to watch. 



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Reply #113 on: September 29, 2018, 04:01:54 AM

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Reply #114 on: September 29, 2018, 04:04:10 AM
This may be the apex of a woman's movement ever known. Without more background checking, a decision by the old men Senators to pass this candidate into a lifetime position would be a slap in the face to any of us that have watched ourselves and passed up some good friends and good times to stay safe. It is saying we are all fair game and to be ignored. Politics be dammed, this situation is about right and wrong.

I'm actually going to give you a woo for this and ignore your sideswipe.

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Reply #115 on: September 29, 2018, 04:17:11 AM
The presumption of innocence until proven guilty applies to how the government treats you prior to trial.  No trial is going on here.  Rather these are hearings concerning Kavanaugh's suitability and character to determine if he should be appointed to the highest court in the land.

And I remember when (Reagan nominee 1986) Douglas H. Ginsburg’s admission of smoking marijuana disqualified him from being appointed to the Supreme Court.

During these hearings Kavanaugh has lied about his drinking. He has also lied regarding his role concerning the vetting and preparation of others pending thier appointments to judicial positions with other federal courts.

He has been accused of sexual assaults, and yet he opposes a supplemental FBI background check that could clear him.  He had 65 women sign a letter saying he has always been a gentleman and presented it once the hearings began.  WTF?  It’s like he expected issues in this regard.

And during the proceedings he has shown himself to be a whiney asshole that falls back on partisan conspiracy theories when confronted by women accusing him of sexual assaults.

In my judgment, he has shown poor character during these hearings.  I do not believe he has the character needed to serve on our highest court.

I have heard that Kavanaugh is a judicial moderate when compared to the list that Trump circulated during his campaign.  If this is true, then the Democrats have nothing to gain by forcing Trump to nominate another who would likely be more right-wing.


Maybe they'll listen to you, because when I say it seems to fall on deaf ears.

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Reply #116 on: September 29, 2018, 05:15:37 AM

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Reply #117 on: September 29, 2018, 07:10:37 AM
The legal drinking age in Maryland was raised from 18 to 21 on January 1, 1982.

The alleged attack on Christine Blasey Ford occured in the summer of 1982.  Accordingly, Kavanagh testimony about his "legal" consumption of alcohol in 1982 was a lie.



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Reply #119 on: September 29, 2018, 02:04:53 PM
The legal drinking age in Maryland was raised from 18 to 21 on January 1, 1982.

The alleged attack on Christine Blasey Ford occured in the summer of 1982.  Accordingly, Kavanagh testimony about his "legal" consumption of alcohol in 1982 was a lie.

Sorry Lois, it was raised in July of 1982 and not even on the 1st, not January.  I don’t recall the exact day, but it was in the middle of July matching the day they made the decision I suppose (would have made more sense to implement the following January 1st).

I was legally allowed to drink beer and wine on March 1, 1980 when I was 18 and still in high school.  For those I knew two grades behind me in high school born in 1964, about half could drink at 18 and the other half had to wait until until they were 21 to do it legally.

That said, google just told me Kavanaugh was born in February of 1965, so no way he could legally drink in Maryland until he was 21.

He’s told a number of lies all designed to minimize his drinking and actions during that drinking.  They are probably lies he’s been telling others and even himself for many years.  It’s not even his drinking that’s the problem (we all drank like that back then in Maryland and likely most other places too), it’s that he can’t own up to his past and feels compelled to lie about it.

And it’s not only being a compulsive liar about his drinking.  As you pointed out Lois, he plays the victim falsely claiming the accusations originated from partisan sources even saying it was revenge by the Clintons.  If he can make shit up like that for partisan reasons, I can’t imagine how bad a judge he is and will be.  Fuck this guy.
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