Brett Kavanaugh - Appoint to Supreme Court, yes or no?

[Jed_]

It’s almost as if he reacted to the Trump criticism of his Fox interview and began parroting Trump talking points of the Clintons are after me and it’s all a conspiracy of the left and the leftwing media.  He came off as shrill and unbelievable.

[Athos_131]

Dick Durban basically begged Kavanaugh to call for an FBI investigation. Kavanaugh basically stonewalled.

#Resist

[IrishGirl]

It’s almost as if he reacted to the Trump criticism of his Fox interview and began parroting Trump talking points of the Clintons are after me and it’s all a conspiracy of the left and the leftwing media.  He came off as shrill and unbelievable.

Well, it started off that he was holding down and groping a woman...and she gave 4 witnesses that have all said that didn't happen.

Then it was that he exposed himself to her...

Then it was that he and the school were part of a conspiracy of drugging the coeds and making gang-rape trains.

Then there was mention of whatever the fuck a devils triangle is and shoving drugs up his ass.

I can see where he is mad...I look at it and think, this has gone from believable to a fucking conspiracy theory.

The first one I was ready to believe...but it's been warped into something that involved so many other women that one of them would have come out well before the hearings. 

So to me it's like the Al Franken thing.  We all saw the picture of him not even touching her flack jacket.  It was just to bring him down.  And the changing story that has bordered on insane, well, I can see how that would piss someone off.

[Jed_]

It’s almost as if he reacted to the Trump criticism of his Fox interview and began parroting Trump talking points of the Clintons are after me and it’s all a conspiracy of the left and the leftwing media.  He came off as shrill and unbelievable.

Well, it started off that he was holding down and groping a woman...and she gave 4 witnesses that have all said that didn't happen.

Then it was that he exposed himself to her...

Then it was that he and the school were part of a conspiracy of drugging the coeds and making gang-rape trains.

Then there was mention of whatever the fuck a devils triangle is and shoving drugs up his ass.

I can see where he is mad...I look at it and think, this has gone from believable to a fucking conspiracy theory.

The first one I was ready to believe...but it's been warped into something that involved so many other women that one of them would have come out well before the hearings. 

So to me it's like the Al Franken thing.  We all saw the picture of him not even touching her flack jacket.  It was just to bring him down.  And the changing story that has bordered on insane, well, I can see how that would piss someone off.

I’m good with your skepticism Irish slut.  Franken was indeed railroaded unnecessarily for political expediency to prove a point Democrats are better; they fucking are.

But again, this is not a criminal trial; it’s a job interview.  There’s a point where during a job interview where you don’t want to take the chance of a bad hire.  That concern increases with the importance of the job.  He’s not being hired to shovel shit in a horse stall.

[psiberzerker]

True, there are no criminal charges here.  None, even if he loses, he's looking at going back to his bench.  The Statute of Limitations was probably 15 years.  (Without DNA) 

Or "Ruins his life."  Dumpster did as much to ruin his life just by nominating him.

[Athos_131]

It’s almost as if he reacted to the Trump criticism of his Fox interview and began parroting Trump talking points of the Clintons are after me and it’s all a conspiracy of the left and the leftwing media.  He came off as shrill and unbelievable.

Well, it started off that he was holding down and groping a woman...and she gave 4 witnesses that have all said that didn't happen.

Then it was that he exposed himself to her...

Then it was that he and the school were part of a conspiracy of drugging the coeds and making gang-rape trains.

Then there was mention of whatever the fuck a devils triangle is and shoving drugs up his ass.

I can see where he is mad...I look at it and think, this has gone from believable to a fucking conspiracy theory.

The first one I was ready to believe...but it's been warped into something that involved so many other women that one of them would have come out well before the hearings. 

So to me it's like the Al Franken thing.  We all saw the picture of him not even touching her flack jacket.  It was just to bring him down.  And the changing story that has bordered on insane, well, I can see how that would piss someone off.

You're really a horrible person.

#Resist

[Jed_]

It’s almost as if he reacted to the Trump criticism of his Fox interview and began parroting Trump talking points of the Clintons are after me and it’s all a conspiracy of the left and the leftwing media.  He came off as shrill and unbelievable.

Well, it started off that he was holding down and groping a woman...and she gave 4 witnesses that have all said that didn't happen.

Then it was that he exposed himself to her...

Then it was that he and the school were part of a conspiracy of drugging the coeds and making gang-rape trains.

Then there was mention of whatever the fuck a devils triangle is and shoving drugs up his ass.

I can see where he is mad...I look at it and think, this has gone from believable to a fucking conspiracy theory.

The first one I was ready to believe...but it's been warped into something that involved so many other women that one of them would have come out well before the hearings. 

So to me it's like the Al Franken thing.  We all saw the picture of him not even touching her flack jacket.  It was just to bring him down.  And the changing story that has bordered on insane, well, I can see how that would piss someone off.

You're really a horrible person.

#Resist

She’s a liberal that is highly critical of extreme leftwing nutjobs of jeopardizing causes of liberals.  No one I know proves her points better than you do.

[Athos_131]

She’s a liberal that is highly critical of extreme leftwing nutjobs of jeopardizing causes of liberals.  No one I know proves her points better than you do.

I refuse to apologize for hating rapists, enablers of them, and supporters of rapists.

Apparently you choose the latter.

Go Fuck Yourself.

#Resist

[Athos_131]

Why Brett Kavanaugh’s Hearings Convinced Me That He’s Guilty

I think Brett Kavanaugh is probably lying about having sexually assaulted Christine Blasey Ford, and many other things, and has decided from the beginning to say what he has to in order to fulfill his career ambition. There is, however, at least some, small chance that he is telling the truth when he professes his innocence. And that small chance gives me some sympathetic human reaction to his emotional testimonial. If he is somehow innocent, as he claims, he has been subject to a horrifying and humiliating ordeal.

That, however, does not justify confirming Kavanaugh to a lifelong position on the Supreme Court. He has, for one thing, all but abandoned the posture of impartiality demanded of a judge. A ranting Kavanaugh launched angry, evidence-free charges against Senate Democrats. “The behavior of several of the Democratic members of this committee at my hearing a few weeks ago was an embarrassment. But at least it was just a good old-fashioned attempt at Borking,” he said, using a partisan term invented by Republicans to complain about ideological scrutiny of an extreme judicial nominee. “This whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit, fueled by pent-up anger over President Trump in the 2016 election.”

Why they took this revenge against Kavanaugh, rather than the first justice who was appointed after the 2016 elections, when Democrats’ anger over both the election and the treatment of Merrick Garland ran hotter, he did not say. Kavanaugh does not seem able to imagine even the possibility that Democrats actually believe the women accusing him of sexual assault. He is consumed with paranoid, partisan rage.

The method Republicans have used to defend Kavanaugh has consisted of suppressing most of the evidence that could be brought to bear in the hearing, and then complaining about the lack of evidence. “Unless something new comes forward, you have just an emotional accusation and an emotional denial without corroboration,” said Senator Lindsey Graham. Conservative columnist Kimberly Strassel argued, “The standard here isn’t where you ‘look’ or ‘sound’ ‘credible.’ It is whether you provide evidence.”

The FBI could investigate the charges – which might not settle the question, but would at least advance the inquiry, and use the threat of perjury to force any witnesses to give straight answers. The Senate could subpoena Kavanaugh’s friend, Mark Judge, an eyewitness to the alleged attack on Ford, and compel him to testify. They have refused repeated pleas to do either.

Kavanaugh himself has dodged and weaved on this. In a Fox News interview, he changed the subject when asked about an FBI investigation. He tried to deflect when asked by Senate Democrats, saying he would do whatever the committee wants (knowing full well they do not want the FBI to investigate.) When asked what he wants, Kavanaugh responded with several seconds of damning silence.

Kavanaugh deserves due process. So does Christine Blasey Ford. Only one of those people is standing in the way of it.

Why do I believe Kavanaugh is lying? The charges are credible, and his accusers are willing to put themselves at risk, with no apparent gain to bring them to the public. Kavanaugh has said too many things that strain credulity for all them to be plausibly true. He almost certainly lied about having had access to files stolen by Senate Republicans back when he was handling judicial nominations in the Bush administration. His explanation that the “Renate Alumni” was not a sexual reference is difficult to square with a fellow Renate Alumnus’s poem ( “You need a date / and it’s getting late / so don’t hesitate / to call Renate”) portraying her as a cheap date. His insistence “boof” and “devil’s triangle” from his yearbook were references to flatulence and a drinking game drew incredulous responses from people his age who have heard these terms. His claim that the “Beach Week Ralph Club” was a reference to a weak stomach seems highly unlikely.

The accretion of curious details ultimately overwhelms the small possibility that he is a man wronged. The conviction he summoned is the righteous belief of an adult who feels he should not be denied the career reward due to him by the errors of his youth, and who decided from the outset to close the door to that period in his life. Perhaps he believes he has made amends for his cruelty. I see a liar who has the chance to prove his good faith innocence, and has conspicuously refused.

#Resist

[Jed_]

She’s a liberal that is highly critical of extreme leftwing nutjobs of jeopardizing causes of liberals.  No one I know proves her points better than you do.

I refuse to apologize for hating rapists, enablers of them, and supporters of rapists.

Apparently you choose the latter.

Go Fuck Yourself.

#Resist

It’s not uncommon for victims of sexual assault to eventually seek understanding by seaching for and finding sites like this, more so for the sister site RU.  I’ve had the privilege and even honor of having at least a couple dozen of these girls doing that seeking, in at least a small part, by talking to me and baring their souls to me.  That’s not easy for them, especially since the guys they often open up to usually end up asking for naked pics and in other ways further victimizing these girls.  I’m pretty sure no girl I ever talked to in this context would have anything but positive things to say about my support for them.

You don’t know shit about this topic.  I won’t claim I know shit about about it either, the more I learn the more it seems I’m sure I don’t know.  But one thing is for damn sure, I know far more about this than you do based on your posts.  Sexual assault for you is the politically charged hypothetical, not the reality.  I doubt you could handle hearing the reality, because it’s really fucking hard.

[IrishGirl]

This is exactly my point.  You don't want due process.  Guilt by accusation alone is FAR from either progressive or liberal or democratic.

In fact, it's the action of an Authoritarian.  And to go on the attack, for suggestions that accusation alone isn't equal to guilt, kind of confirms that you're pretty far to the right.

What you are doing Athos, is per-determining guilt based on politics, and then casting anyone that doesn't agree with your political verdict as endorsing the crime that you found guilty by accusation alone.

People like you are the people that support purges.

[Athos_131]

This is exactly my point.  You don't want due process.  Guilt by accusation alone is FAR from either progressive or liberal or democratic.

In fact, it's the action of an Authoritarian.  And to go on the attack, for suggestions that accusation alone isn't equal to guilt, kind of confirms that you're pretty far to the right.

Please find a quote where I stated I was against due process.

I doubt you'll respond.  You never gave a straight answer to my last question.

#Resist

[Athos_131]

She’s a liberal that is highly critical of extreme leftwing nutjobs of jeopardizing causes of liberals.  No one I know proves her points better than you do.

I refuse to apologize for hating rapists, enablers of them, and supporters of rapists.

Apparently you choose the latter.

Go Fuck Yourself.

#Resist

It’s not uncommon for victims of sexual assault to eventually seek understanding by seaching for and finding sites like this, more so for the sister site RU.  I’ve had the privilege and even honor of having at least a couple dozen of these girls doing that seeking, in at least a small part, by talking to me and baring their souls to me.  That’s not easy for them, especially since the guys they often open up to usually end up asking for naked pics and in other ways further victimizing these girls.  I’m pretty sure no girl I ever talked to in this context would have anything but positive things to say about my support for them.

You don’t know shit about this topic.  I won’t claim I know shit about about it either, the more I learn the more it seems I’m sure I don’t know.  But one thing is for damn sure, I know far more about this than you do based on your posts.  Sexual assault for you is the politically charged hypothetical, not the reality.  I doubt you could handle hearing the reality, because it’s really fucking hard.

She's not gonna fuck you, dude.

#Resist

[IrishGirl]

This is exactly my point.  You don't want due process.  Guilt by accusation alone is FAR from either progressive or liberal or democratic.

In fact, it's the action of an Authoritarian.  And to go on the attack, for suggestions that accusation alone isn't equal to guilt, kind of confirms that you're pretty far to the right.

Please find a quote where I stated I was against due process.

I doubt you'll respond.  You never gave a straight answer to my last question.

#Resist

I can find more than a few where you have assumed guilt based on accusation alone.

That's the exact same thing, you are finding people guilty without evidence or trial.

I can also find more than a few where you have accused people of injustices for disagreeing with your views.

That's Authoritarian, not progressive or liberal.  That is the act of a real fascist.

[Athos_131]

You still didn't provide a quote where I stated I was against due process.

#Resist

[IrishGirl]

You still didn't provide a quote where I stated I was against due process.

#Resist

I don't need to...we can all see that you have found Kavanaugh guilty on accusation alone.

And we can all see that you are finding everyone that disagrees with your premature verdict guilty.

That is not the action of someone that is in favor of due process, that is the action of someone that wants condemn based on politics and is willing to use anything at his disposal to remove anyone that dare question him.

You can cry about "proof" all you want, but you are clearly casting verdicts based on accusation alone for Kavanaugh and based on opposition to your ruling for anyone else.

You're an Authoritarian bully, plain and simple...so we are clearly going to have a problem here because I really don't react well to goose stepping morons.

#Resist

[Athos_131]

You still didn't provide a quote where I stated I was against due process.

#Resist

[IrishGirl]

You still didn't provide a quote where I stated I was against due process.

#Resist

You took one look at him and saw "conservative=Rapist"

And then you heard me argue FOR solid evidence before a conviction and concluded "She disagrees with me=She supports rape."

You can cry like a little baby for a quote all you want, but your actions are enough

[Jed_]

She’s a liberal that is highly critical of extreme leftwing nutjobs of jeopardizing causes of liberals.  No one I know proves her points better than you do.

I refuse to apologize for hating rapists, enablers of them, and supporters of rapists.

Apparently you choose the latter.

Go Fuck Yourself.

#Resist

It’s not uncommon for victims of sexual assault to eventually seek understanding by seaching for and finding sites like this, more so for the sister site RU.  I’ve had the privilege and even honor of having at least a couple dozen of these girls doing that seeking, in at least a small part, by talking to me and baring their souls to me.  That’s not easy for them, especially since the guys they often open up to usually end up asking for naked pics and in other ways further victimizing these girls.  I’m pretty sure no girl I ever talked to in this context would have anything but positive things to say about my support for them.

You don’t know shit about this topic.  I won’t claim I know shit about about it either, the more I learn the more it seems I’m sure I don’t know.  But one thing is for damn sure, I know far more about this than you do based on your posts.  Sexual assault for you is the politically charged hypothetical, not the reality.  I doubt you could handle hearing the reality, because it’s really fucking hard.

She's not gonna fuck you, dude.

#Resist

Yeah, she said she likes me too much for that despite her affinity for old dudes.  It’s a mute point now that I have a girlfriend, so it’s no longer an option considering my habitual monogamy.

You still have no clue.

[IrishGirl]

Your justification for me supporting rape...is because I require evidence before a conviction.

That really says enough.  You don't support a rule of law, you support forcing your views by any means necessary...that's an Authoritarian, NOT a progressive.  And that is NOT due process, that is a kangaroo court at best.