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Reply #200 on: October 06, 2018, 05:52:58 AM
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F.B.I. Review of Kavanaugh Was Limited From the Start

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But the F.B.I. did not interview the two people at the center — Judge Kavanaugh and his main accuser, Christine Blasey Ford.

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Reply #201 on: October 06, 2018, 06:35:40 AM
It doesn't matter.  i don't care if he did it or not.  I DO, however, care that people are calling to find him guilty for accusation alone.

That is what I care about.  Who he is and if he makes a good SCOTUS, in this case, means fuck all to me compared to the fact that you people are upset over due process.

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You even misquote yourself?  Says it right there, in your own words.  You don't care about the crime, you care about the allegations.

Now, you have alleged, on multiple occasions that you were sexually assaulted.  I'm not going to ask you what happened, but was he a man?  Was he rich?  A preppie, star quarterback, beloved comedian, judge, or real estate heir?

Without Abuse of Power, none of that should matter.  Who gets accused of a crime, any crime, should have no bearing on the case, or how it's investigated. 
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Reply #202 on: October 06, 2018, 07:56:55 AM
It doesn't matter.  i don't care if he did it or not.  I DO, however, care that people are calling to find him guilty for accusation alone.

That is what I care about.  Who he is and if he makes a good SCOTUS, in this case, means fuck all to me compared to the fact that you people are upset over due process.

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You even misquote yourself?  Says it right there, in your own words.  You don't care about the crime, you care about the allegations.

Now, you have alleged, on multiple occasions that you were sexually assaulted.  I'm not going to ask you what happened, but was he a man?  Was he rich?  A preppie, star quarterback, beloved comedian, judge, or real estate heir?

Without Abuse of Power, none of that should matter.  Who gets accused of a crime, any crime, should have no bearing on the case, or how it's investigated.  

It doesn't matter if I believe him or not though.  That doesn't change the fact that accusation alone isn't equal to guilt.

I can think he is full of shit, but without witnesses or evidence, I could neither in good faith convict nor deny the post of someone based only on an accusation.  That is NOT how a justice system works, that is NOT how the government is designed to work, and that isn't how a healthy society works.
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Reply #203 on: October 06, 2018, 10:28:03 AM


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Reply #204 on: October 06, 2018, 01:16:55 PM
It doesn't matter if I believe him or not though.  That doesn't change the fact that accusation alone isn't equal to guilt.

Right, but you Said you didn't care if he Did it, or not.  When we're talking about Attempted rape.  (Note, I said Attempted.)  

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I can think he is full of shit, but without witnesses or evidence, I could neither in good faith convict nor deny the post of someone based only on an accusation.  That is NOT how a justice system works, that is NOT how the government is designed to work, and that isn't how a healthy society works.

Right, but without an Investigation (That would be the I in FBI) there will be no Evidence.  No witnesses.  The way the Judicial system works is that the charges are Investigated first, and then the Judges, and Juries determine legal innocence, or guilt.  

However, being a Judge, he is in a position of Power to make the charges just go away.  For decades.  The GoP having a Majority in Congress and on the SJC can stop the Investigation at 1 (Alleged) victim, the Judge can circumvent Due Process by lying under Oath, and refusing to answer questions.

Which is not how the confirmation process is supposed to work.  Again, HE CAN NOT BE FOUND GUILTY, this isn't a trial.  The question is is he fit to preside over the Supreme Court.  The FACT (Undeniable) that he chose not to answer questions overshadows his Guilt, or Innocence, because this isn't about his Guilt, or Innocence.

It's about his respect for the Law.  Now, open your book (Or another tab) and look up Conflict of Interest.
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Reply #205 on: October 06, 2018, 04:57:03 PM
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Right, but you Said you didn't care if he Did it, or not.  When we're talking about Attempted rape.  (Note, I said Attempted.) 

No, I was asked if I believed him and I said that I didn't care.  Because there aren't the facts to convict.
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Right, but without an Investigation (That would be the I in FBI) there will be no Evidence.  No witnesses.  The way the Judicial system works is that the charges are Investigated first, and then the Judges, and Juries determine legal innocence, or guilt. 

He's getting an investigation...and even though people on the regressive left called for it, once they got it they instantly started complaining that it wasn't good enough.

The reason I believe this is, is because they wanted him to be held accountable for the accusation without the benefit of an investigation.  Just like they did to so many other people.
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Judge can circumvent Due Process by lying under Oath, and refusing to answer questions.

This makes me think that you don't know what Due Process is.  Lieing under oath can't circumvent it.  It's a crime to lie under earth, but it isn't robbing anyone of the normal judicial process.

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Again, HE CAN NOT BE FOUND GUILTY, this isn't a trial.

That is the drum beat with you people,  HE CAN NOT BE FOUND GUILT, now assume that the accusation alone is all the proof you need that he is guilty and have him fired and deny him the position based on the accusation!

People still deserve the right to counter accusations.  That is my fucking point.  Even if it is a job interview and someone accuses you of something, you in a healthy society free of fucking goose stepping morons, you should be able to defend yourself.  An accusation alone should not deny you of anything without people looking into it.

I know the concept of the presumption of innocence is a horrible thing to you people, but some of us still enjoy living in a free society.  And one with actual principals applied EQUALLY, not just to favored groups and people.

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Reply #206 on: October 06, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
No, I was asked if I believed him and I said that I didn't care.  Because there aren't the facts to convict.

He can't be Convicetd, either.  And you said you didn't care if he Did it.  Scroll up.  Look on page 10, it's right there.  Funny that I remember what you said, and you added words to make your point.  This is not a court of law, he can't even be Charged with a crime.  Only confirmed, or denied.

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He's getting an investigation...and even though people on the regressive left called for it, once they got it they instantly started complaining that it wasn't good enough.

Right <That's me agreeing with you.  Also, when asked if He would like an investigation.  He sat there, refused to answer, even when the question was repeated.  

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This makes me think that you don't know what Due Process is.  Lieing under oath can't circumvent it.  It's a crime to lie under earth, but it isn't robbing anyone of the normal judicial process.

No, it's denying himself Due Process.  He's not taking it away from anyone else, he was offered it, and refused.  He was offered an investigation to clear his name, he refused it.  He was given ample time (and water) to explain himself, he refused.  If he can not even participate in his own confirmation, he should not be confirmed.

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People still deserve the right to counter accusations.

He was given that opportunity, and he refused.  

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I know the concept of the presumption of innocence is a horrible thing to you people, but some of us still enjoy living in a free society.  And one with actual principals applied EQUALLY, not just to favored groups and people.

All right, how many women do you know who've been sexually assaulted?  How many men?  There's your equal application.  

Also, could you please stop saying "You people?"  Especially when accusing them of prejudice.
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Reply #207 on: October 06, 2018, 07:46:55 PM
No, I was asked if I believed him and I said that I didn't care.  Because there aren't the facts to convict.

He can't be Convicetd, either.  And you said you didn't care if he Did it.  Scroll up.  Look on page 10, it's right there.  Funny that I remember what you said, and you added words to make your point.  This is not a court of law, he can't even be Charged with a crime.  Only confirmed, or denied.


Didn't I mention several times that it was a job interview and it is JUST as wrong to hold accusations without evidence against people there as well?

And you totally ignored it, because you can't make a point without ignoring what I actually said.


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Reply #208 on: October 06, 2018, 07:48:36 PM
And you totally ignored it, because you can't make a point without ignoring what I actually said.

i don't care if he did it or not.



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Reply #209 on: October 06, 2018, 10:49:21 PM
  Finally, after the whining and gnashing of teeth, Justice Kavanaugh has been Confirmed, with about the same Vote count as has been expected since he was Nominated, and with much drama by all concerned.

 

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Reply #210 on: October 06, 2018, 11:00:58 PM
Yeah, basically the Accella.  (High speed rail, he was fast-tracked)  Even though the end was predictable, we can't just stand back, and watch it without resistance.

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Reply #211 on: October 06, 2018, 11:02:28 PM
 Finally, after the whining and gnashing of teeth, Justice Kavanaugh has been Confirmed, with about the same Vote count as has been expected since he was Nominated, and with much drama by all concerned.

Of course it's a rapist so naturally you support him.

Cosby, Moore, Kavanaugh.

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Reply #212 on: October 06, 2018, 11:39:33 PM
Learning to be a better loser will help you in the future, Athos. Really.
#resist...


F.B.I. Review of Kavanaugh Was Limited From the Start

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But the F.B.I. did not interview the two people at the center — Judge Kavanaugh and his main accuser, Christine Blasey Ford.

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It is sad that you do not understand that your side lost with the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.




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Reply #213 on: October 06, 2018, 11:47:19 PM
joan1984 is looking for a way to repeal the 19th Amendment to combat this.

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Reply #214 on: October 07, 2018, 12:48:45 AM
joan1984 is looking for a way to repeal the 19th Amendment to combat this.

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Athos, like you were looking for a way to circumvent the 5th and 14th Amendment to combat this?

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Reply #215 on: October 07, 2018, 12:49:42 AM
There's always the second amendment.  So, pistols at dawn?



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Reply #216 on: October 07, 2018, 01:11:10 AM
joan1984 is looking for a way to repeal the 19th Amendment to combat this.

#Resist

Athos, like you were looking for a way to circumvent the 5th and 14th Amendment to combat this?

You're really bad at this.

I'll answer your question if you answer the four I directly asked you.

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Reply #217 on: October 07, 2018, 01:11:53 AM
There's always the second amendment.  So, pistols at dawn?

I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire.

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Reply #218 on: October 07, 2018, 01:18:25 AM


Psst.  She's an attorney.

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Reply #219 on: October 07, 2018, 01:22:26 AM
Also the irony of that bandwagon being driven by Donald "Take the guns, then go to court" Trump.