How Colleges Teach Students to See Bias Where It Doesn’t Exist

[MissBarbara]

So my moral relativism, its the belief that there are no true morals, no honest facts, and your actions--no matter what they are--are justified so long as they are done for the right reasons. 

That's not what moral relativism is.

Nor is it definition of what morality is.

And #whataboutism is the lamest form of argument...

[psiberzerker]

Also, it's a negative absolute.  NO true morals, whatsoever.  So, rape, incest, necrophilia, bestiality, torture, murder, and genocide aren't amoral, it's just people getting offended by it.

Isn't that overly simplistic?  I don't see racism, because I'm terrified of someone calling me racist, to the point of seeking out threads called You Might Be a White Supremacist and find people to accuse of calling me a racist, ∴ nothing is amoral.

That's not logic, that's delusion.  Paranoid persecution complex, to be exact.  It doesn't look like reading Kafka is helping you deal with your trauma.  You might want to seriously consider seeking professional help.

[MissBarbara]

Also, it's a negative absolute.  NO true morals, whatsoever.  So, rape, incest, necrophilia, bestiality, torture, murder, and genocide aren't amoral, it's just people getting offended by it.

Isn't that overly simplistic?  I don't see racism, because I'm terrified of someone calling me racist, to the point of seeking out threads called You Might Be a White Supremacist and find people to accuse of calling me a racist, ∴ nothing is amoral.

That's not logic, that's delusion.  Paranoid persecution complex, to be exact.  It doesn't look like reading Kafka is helping you deal with your trauma.  You might want to seriously consider seeking professional help.

Those are pretty much my thoughts.

Female genital mutilation, forced marriages, child rape, etc. are all not immoral because they're consider "moral" in some places.

If nothing's immoral, then everything's moral.





 

[psiberzerker]

Female genital mutilation...  not immoral because they're consider "moral" in some places.

Or male genital mutilation.  Isn't that what they call it, "Female Circumcision?"  That's like "Ethnic Cleansing."  Oh, that doesn't sound too bad, they're just doing a little Ethnic Cleansing.

It's funny, but I can't think of any other completely cosmetic surgery that's not only routine, but also completely covered by insurance.  Maybe it's because the victims can't say no, only scream wordlessly while a doctor, (Or Rabbi) goes after their penis with a scalpel.  It's pretty easy to point at let's say the Sudan, and shake our heads at how uncivilized those savages are.

Oh well.  It's not like there's anything truly moral.  I think I read that somewhere, in Kafka, or something.  At least she said it was Kafka.  You know they can't say it on the internet, if it isn't true.

[MissBarbara]

You know they can't say it on the internet, if it isn't true.

And please don't forget the converse of that statement: If they say it on the internet, then it's true.

[watcher1]

PSI, I think Watcher was using the word "liberal" in its truest meaning, which as nothing to do with either politics and polemics (or whining).

Okay, on the assumption that it has 1 true meaning.  Aside from beliefs (Including political) it's an antonym of restricted.  So, it originally ment unrestricted.  As in a liberal sprinkle of cheese on top.  (Or a Liberal Arts degree.)

Then again, "Catholic" originally ment Universal.

I don't know what he was thinking.  We can only guess, or ask him that.

While I hesitate to put words in Watcher's mouth, he's expressed his views on this topic -- which closely align with mine -- several times on KB. Plus, in the rest of his reply which I didn't cite he writes, "They take incoming freshmen and try to to expand their awareness of the world from the isolated world they lived in during high school. In essence,  open their eyes to the broader world through courses and clubs, etc."

In other words, the goal of a university should be to create critical readers and critical thinkers, to provide them with information from every point of view, and then let them decide. And type of indoctrination -- from the left, the right, or anything in between -- is anathema to a university's true meaning, and true goal.

Then again, I hope Watcher sees this and weighs in..

WOO MissB for stating it better then I did.  Thank you.  What I meant when I used the word, liberal. Open a student's mind to many topics and thoughts and let that student pick and choose what they retain.

[psiberzerker]

WOO MissB for stating it better then I did.  Thank you.  What I meant when I used the word, liberal. Open a student's mind to many topics and thoughts and let that student pick and choose what they retain.

Okay, My Mistake then.  Yeah, pretty much what I was trying to say the purpose of School is.  Hence the term Liberal Arts, which means the students are free to explore the arts, without being restrained to just Literature, or 18th century French Impressionism.

I just used the term Progressive, because that's associated with Progress, the future.  Whereas the word "Liberal" is also used as a curse, and an accusation thrown at the faces of everyone Conservatives don't agree with.  Also, there are Conservative degrees.  There's no Liberal History.  Of course it's open to interpretation, and written by the Victors, but it's still not changing any time soon.  (Barring the discovery of a confession written by the assassin that shot Hitler, then made it look like a suicide.  Or the advent of a time machine...)

That's basically the difference between Conservative, and Progressive:  One is stuck in the past, and the other has hope for a better future...

[Athos_131]

#whataboutism is the lamest form of argument...

I wish this was stickied at the top of this subforum.

#Resist

[MissBarbara]

#whataboutism is the lamest form of argument...

I wish this was stickied at the top of this subforum.

#Resist

I wish I knew what that meant...

[psiberzerker]

I wish I knew what that meant...

Says it right on the tin.  "Well, what about..." or another FAQ is "What if..?"  Basically look at the Good Guy/Gal with a Gun vs the Asshelmet with a Gun debate.  Every example you can find of a hero saving the day with a gun, there's at least 1 example of a spree shooter killing school children for attention.  Which would seem to suggest to me that it's not about Guns.  (There's also at least 1 example of an unarmed black man saving a Wafflehouse from a "Good Guy" with a gun.  And being arrested for it.  Alive.)  In a word, opposing Biases.

"But what if he's innocent, and she's just making it up?"

What if he isn't, and she isn't?  Her life is already ruined, but we have to consider the presumed innocence of rapists, while the victim has to prove her innocence, just to Charge him with a crime.  "Yeah, but what about his Future?"  Well, what about his history of escalating sexual violence?  "Well, actually that's inadmissable, because it might be prejudicial to the jury."

But, you can line up a whole day's worth of character witnesses to tell the jury she's a slut that gave him a blowjob right behind that same dumpster, especially when she's falling down drunk.

Does that clear it up for you, or would you like more examples?

[Lois]

I think she meant the stickied on top of the subforum part.

Whataboutism.

I wish it ran as a banner at the bottom of every Fox News broadcast.

[MissBarbara]

I wish I knew what that meant...

Says it right on the tin.  "Well, what about..." or another FAQ is "What if..?"  Basically look at the Good Guy/Gal with a Gun vs the Asshelmet with a Gun debate.  Every example you can find of a hero saving the day with a gun, there's at least 1 example of a spree shooter killing school children for attention.  Which would seem to suggest to me that it's not about Guns.  (There's also at least 1 example of an unarmed black man saving a Wafflehouse from a "Good Guy" with a gun.  And being arrested for it.  Alive.)  In a word, opposing Biases.

"But what if he's innocent, and she's just making it up?"

What if he isn't, and she isn't?  Her life is already ruined, but we have to consider the presumed innocence of rapists, while the victim has to prove her innocence, just to Charge him with a crime.  "Yeah, but what about his Future?"  Well, what about his history of escalating sexual violence?  "Well, actually that's inadmissable, because it might be prejudicial to the jury."

But, you can line up a whole day's worth of character witnesses to tell the jury she's a slut that gave him a blowjob right behind that same dumpster, especially when she's falling down drunk.

Does that clear it up for you, or would you like more examples?

Not at all.

Though thanks for believing I'm so stupid that I don't know what "bias" means.

If you put my quote back into the context I wrote it, my confusion is over the statement I cited: "I wish this was stickied at the top of this subforum."

If you can put aside your polemics and blinkered ideologies for a brief moment, perhaps you could explain THAT to me?

[Lois]

I think he just mis-read it.

[psiberzerker]

I think he just mis-read it.

Yes, she did.  Also, I suppose the word for yesterday was Polemics.  Tirade, diatribe, or just the simple but frank Rant would have worked as well.

Apologies to MissBarbara.  No offense intended, looks like I need to take a break from Politics.

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