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Reply #1 on: July 29, 2018, 01:55:16 AM
There's a shocker!  (Waving from Texas)  The First Amendment is convenient when you have something to say, and then the last refuge for someone who doesn't like being called out for being an asshole.

Facebook isn't the Government.  I didn't see him protesting when the Fascade descided to deadname transpeople to make it easier to identify, and harass us. 

I don't get a Name.  Not even my name.  My heart bleeds for Alex Jones, and Ted Cruz.  They've got press coverage, one of them has his own fucking Talk Show.

I'll support their unrestricted right to Free Speech when I don't have to hide on Pedophile story boards.



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Reply #2 on: July 29, 2018, 04:07:46 PM
I agree that Cruz doesn’t understand the 1st Amendment. Facebook is under NO regulation or law requiring them to allow any type of speech content. They follow the rules they do because of market share. This is how they attract users and thereby generate revenue.

They are not part of the government and therefore the 1st Amendment does not dictate that they cannot censor speech in their platform.


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Reply #3 on: July 29, 2018, 08:01:32 PM
Ted Cruz does understand putting on a robe and going to the other end of his co-ed dorm to frott his classmates and expose his Cuban sandwich.  #creepytedcruz #pickledcuban



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Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 10:38:53 PM
Allegedly.  Of course, sex scandals only count if you get caught, And don't pay off the right people to cover it up...



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Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 11:43:01 PM
YES!  Ted Cruz is staunchly defending Jones' right to commit slander and damning Facebook for enforcing their community standards/TOS.

Sorry, but slander is not part of free speech.  You can get sued for it.  And Facebook is a private company, not a government entity.  They can make their community standards/TOS and enforce them however they wish.



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Reply #6 on: July 30, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
Sorry, but slander is not part of free speech.  You can get sued for it.

Technically libel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvHaRGtZXE

Neither one is protected by the 1st amendment.  Unless, of course, his father really was on the grassy knoll.



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Reply #7 on: August 14, 2018, 12:28:57 AM


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Reply #8 on: August 14, 2018, 05:21:16 PM
I feel compelled to point out that virtually all of Congress are lawyers, and that doesn't prevent them writing laws that respect Christianity.  Despite the 1st Amendment specifically prohibiting that.



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Reply #9 on: September 11, 2018, 01:50:49 AM
Are you arguing that Free Speech does NOT include speech that you disagree with?

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Reply #10 on: September 11, 2018, 02:33:00 AM
Are you arguing that Free Speech does NOT include speech that you disagree with?

Who are you asking? And maybe you should refine your question a bit.  Free speech is free, so of course it includes speech I or anyone else disagrees with.

Maybe yoour question should concern if we belive some speech should be prohibited, and by whom.

The 1st Amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So it applies to Congress, although it has been interpreted that all parts of government can't enact or enforce enforce such laws either, except for the military.  There are also other exceptions that basically say free speech is not an absolute right.

And it does not apply to private property either.  A shopping mall is not public property, so you can't hold protest rallies there or even register people to vote on the premises.

Also free speech does not mean you are excempt from consequences imposed by an employer or even your fellow citizens.  It is only the government that can't penalize you.



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Reply #11 on: September 11, 2018, 02:40:52 AM
Are you arguing that Free Speech does NOT include speech that you disagree with?

Who are you asking? And maybe you should refine your question a bit.  Free speech is free, so of course it includes speech I or anyone else disagrees with.

Maybe yoour question should concern if we belive some speech should be prohibited, and by whom.

The 1st Amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

So it applies to Congress, although it has been interpreted that all parts of government can't enact or enforce enforce such laws either, except for the military.  There are also other exceptions that basically say free speech is not an absolute right.

And it does not apply to private property either.  A shopping mall is not public property, so you can't hold protest rallies there or even register people to vote on the premises.

Also free speech does not mean you are excempt from consequences imposed by an employer or even your fellow citizens.  It is only the government that can't penalize you.

The OP, the picture posted ended with "Free Speech includes speech that you disagree with" and he seems to take issue with it given the title of the thread.

I figured I would ask before arguing that, yes, free speech includes speech you disagree with.

And...I would add, that NO ONE, should try to silence anyone, Lois.  Even if that speech is disagreeable to a favored person or people.  Wouldn't you agree?

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Reply #12 on: September 11, 2018, 03:01:54 AM
And...I would add, that NO ONE, should try to silence anyone, Lois.  Even if that speech is disagreeable to a favored person or people.  Wouldn't you agree?

Our government should try to silence foreign powers that are illegally trying to interfere with our elections by rooting them out of social media.



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Reply #13 on: September 11, 2018, 03:02:03 AM
Facebook is a private company.

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Reply #14 on: September 11, 2018, 03:10:30 AM
And...I would add, that NO ONE, should try to silence anyone, Lois.  Even if that speech is disagreeable to a favored person or people.  Wouldn't you agree?

Our government should try to silence foreign powers that are illegally trying to interfere with our elections by rooting them out of social media.

ACTUAL foreign powers, fine, I won't argue that.  But "Russia bot" is the new "Fascist/Nazi" to call anyone that doesn't goose step on social media.

I wonder how that would apply with everyone throwing that around, especially with the current wave of shadow banning on social media of political thought that doesn't conform.

Could be we get Russia out of our Social Media, given that their influence has ranged from the NRA to church groups, to BLM and Bernie or Bust....

...But it could be that it's used to silence dissent.  Or even just ban Russian IPs, which is harmful in itself in communicating outside a cultural bubble.

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Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 03:10:59 AM
And here is the crux of the issue. Private platforms may restrict speech. There are limits that may be enforced. Child pornography is one such limit.

A private platform may restrict speech. I have been banned from certain gun boards because I espoused positions in opposition to unrestricted gun ownership. That is reprehensible and speaks to their intolerance and inability to tolerate other opinions.
They are within their right to restrict what is said. Facebook, Twitter, all of the social media platforms have rules which you agree to abide by. Failure to do so will result in your account being suspended. This has happened to Alex Jones for failure to abide by the user agreement on Facebook.


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Reply #16 on: September 11, 2018, 03:21:29 AM
And here is the crux of the issue. Private platforms may restrict speech. There are limits that may be enforced. Child pornography is one such limit.

A private platform may restrict speech. I have been banned from certain gun boards because I espoused positions in opposition to unrestricted gun ownership. That is reprehensible and speaks to their intolerance and inability to tolerate other opinions.
They are within their right to restrict what is said. Facebook, Twitter, all of the social media platforms have rules which you agree to abide by. Failure to do so will result in your account being suspended. This has happened to Alex Jones for failure to abide by the user agreement on Facebook.



Sites like this aside...Social Media is the new forum.  It is where ideas, especially political ones are formed, argued, and distributed.  

Now the NRA is directed towards guns.  This site is directed towards sex...so your argument totally stands there.

But Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, they have become so much more than just social media sites, the are the new forum even more so than television.  Because of that they should be morally obligated to obey a more Millian look at speech.

Being as important as they are, shadow bans of any view is restricting the public forum.  All that does is cement views and encourage echo chambers.

Your political views should be fluid, and it should be fluid because you hear more than one side all the time.  Once they become concrete, you aren't thinking, you're reacting.

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Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 03:24:18 AM
Private Company =/= Congress

How is this a difficult fucking concept?

Are you just angry Last Man Standing or Rosanne got cancelled and buying into conspiracy theories?

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Reply #18 on: September 11, 2018, 03:38:35 AM
Private Company =/= Congress

How is this a difficult fucking concept?

Are you just angry Last Man Standing or Rosanne got cancelled and buying into conspiracy theories?

#Resist

No offense, but what the fuck are you on about?  Do please let's not talk only in dog whistles in the future.

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Reply #19 on: September 11, 2018, 04:04:06 AM
Private platforms have no obligation to allow you to speak your mind. That is capitalism.
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