Antifa Riot In Portland, Ore.

[Katiebee]

As it is true in physics it is true in social situations. For every action there is a reaction. I guess what you are saying Joan is that it’s unfair that people aren’t taking the right-wing violence shit any more and are starting to actually fight back,

What a bunch of snowflakes. Grow up, you do violence, expect people to return fire.

[joan1984]

I am no fan of Nazi's, or White Nationalists, not at all. I am a fan of Law, and Order, and any group who comes armed and prepared to disrupt a Permitted demonstration is trouble.

You want to do a counter demonstration, make noise and whatnot, carry signs and entertain passersby or (imagine...) citizens of the town who granted the Permit for the first group, go right ahead. Cause no problems for citizens or police, and go away when the demonstration is over.

Throwing projectiles, attacking others no matter who they may be, is just not allowed, not allowable, by any troublemakers.

Consider who we are speaking of, when talking about the Klan and Ilk. SPLC estimates their total number below 8000 in the United States, on the high end.

This is about the crowd size at a single WNBA game, a popular game, at that.
Not a very large number of people, if hey all showed up.

Not a number worth worry, certainly not a number worth violent thugs coming to attack them, as if the thugs are 'in the right' at all.

What citizens missed out on is whatever the original message was the group who applied for a permit to march intended. In the case of VA was about the civil war statues and what to do with them, if anything, and that is a situation about which there are opinions worthy of having, on all sides.

If the LAW says the council must allow such a demonstration, thus the permit, why should any group set out to disrupt and render the rights of the permit holders ineffective? Hopefully it was not the intent of any city to have violent groups meet and attack one another, and so even if there is a counter demonstration, the groups are kept at a significant distance from one another, so supporters or curious onlookers need not mix, and the groups need not mix.

The U.S. Capitol Police do a good job with most DC events, including some very anti whatever groups, with adequate numbers of Police and with planned space, physical space, between the events, even when they happen on the same day. Not all in every group are law abiding, and hopefully such behavior is addressed, and violators arrested, AND no rioting, no attacking, no destruction of property, is at least the plan.

Antifa was the problem in Virginia

Just to be clear, this is not a problem:



The people who're against nazis, within 125 miles of the capital building?

They're the problem.

[Katiebee]

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas. You are judged by the company you keep. The right-wing associates with and tolerates white supremista. You have earned the right to be considered a white supremist because you and your ilk apologize for them and accept them.

[Athos_131]

The OP is desperate to normalize Nazis.

#Resist

[psiberzerker]

That's not what happened in Portland.  You're against Antifa.  You're so blinded by hate of them, that you're willing to blame them over Nazis.  In effect, believe the Nazis, and hate groups like Patriot Prayer when they play the victim, just because they blamed Antifa.

"Mom!  Antifa hit me!"  ~Hitler.

If you're not against Nazis, if you're willing to stand idily bye when they ceise the means of production, then you support them.  You literally just sympathised with Nazis.  Not Godwin's Law "Nazi" Nazis.  Bonafide jackboot wearing, goose stepping, heiling schwastic flag waving Nazi nazis.

Because Antifa.  You're so anti-Antifa, it's turning you into a Nazi Sympathizer.  You know how many people have Ever been convicted of Treason in this country, and what that was for?  Look it up.  8 out of 10 were for using Radio to drum up support for Nazis, by any means necessary.  

That's what Antifa is against.  The Nazi's theme song is Uber Alles.  Germany above all else. If you're not with them, you will be Exterminated.

This isn't a "Both Sides" issue.  It's not an episode of Law and Order.  It's Nazis.  "I hate these guys."  ~I. Jones.

If you don't hate them, on general principle, your Identify Friend or Foe is broken.

[Jed_]

Not true, Katiebee, and if you do not know that, it is distressing.
Antifa was the problem in Virginia, and is a problem anywhere they go.

The President repeated what he had heard, that there were good people on both sides, and you YOU Democrats and Leftists, and Media (I am being redundant), chose to misunderstand his statement, and ran with it, with the false headlines, interpreting for the less interested public, as usual.

There were rioters who were not part of the Permit Group of demonstrators.
Lots of things went awry there, which placed the demonstrators in the path of the Antifa thugs, and caught general citizen observers in the middle.

Antifa used a form of flame thrower, in at least one instance, came prepared for extreme violence, brought it along with them, and the Press cared less.

Antifa is a militant left wing group, of course, never up to any good.

As President Trump has said in the past, both sides caused trouble.

So the issue was centered around a militant right-wing group that was advocating violent behavior.

Too typical.

No! He said the neo-Nazis have some good people. Get your hate speech correct.

So Antifa was the only problem in Charlotteville Virginia?  A person was killed there.  That person was not killed by Anifa, they were killed by a White Nationalist.  And, the victim was a peaceful protestor that had nothing to do with Antifa.

[psiberzerker]

If you won't listen to Lady Liberty "The New Collosus" when it comes to Immigration.  Then listen to Martin Neimoller:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I wasn't a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unions, and I didn't speak out, for I wasn't a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out, because I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me."

Antifa is speaking for you, and everyone else that doesn't want to march on America for the Nazis.

Now they're coming for Antifa, and you're speaking out.  Against them.

Heil Trump.

[Jed_]

I am no fan of Nazi's, or White Nationalists, not at all.

No, you just make excuses for them, just like your hero Trump does.

He makes excuses for them to play to his base, because the racist White Nationists are the hard nut core of his base and the rest of his base are sympathizers such as yourself.

[psiberzerker]

He makes excuses for them to play to his base, because the racist White Nationists are the hard nut core of his base and the rest of his base are sympathizers such as yourself.

Well, that and he enjoys the attention as the charismatic leader.  That's what he gets out of it, he already had wealth, and power.  However, before he just had the camera crews for feedback, on Celebrity Apprentice.  He knew that he had millions of people watching, but look at him now.

Standing up in front of the crowds, going on campaign tours in a mid-term election year (When he's not up for re-election) instead of showing up at the White-House Correspondents Ball. That wouldn't give him his fix, he knew that would be a roast.  So, instead he went out to find a crowd, and a podium to get his fix.

Narcissism requires a mirror to reflect it's greatness.  In his case, the bigger the mirror, the better.  He doesn't care if his core-base is Nazis, because he doesn't care what kinds of people cheer for him.  As long as they're millions of them.  Quantity has a quality all it's own.

He doesn't sympathize with anyone.  He's a Malignant Narcissist.  He literally doesn't know the meaning of the word sympathy.

[ShadowArxxy]

You want to do a counter demonstration, make noise and whatnot, carry signs and entertain passersby or (imagine...) citizens of the town who granted the Permit for the first group, go right ahead. Cause no problems for citizens or police, and go away when the demonstration is over.

You seem to be looping back to your original claim that Antifa were "thugs" who did not have a permit, even though I have already corrected this with the facts of the situation. Originally, both sides had permits; at the time the riot occured, Patriot Prayer / Proud Boys were unlawfully protesting without a permit, and attacked Antifa who still had a permit.

Throwing projectiles, attacking others no matter who they may be, is just not allowed, not allowable, by any troublemakers.

Yes, and that's what Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys did, NOT ANTIFA. That is why their permit was revoked by the police, they were instigating violence.

[joan1984]

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13621 
Iowa college announces 'decision to
remove' Antifa prof amid backlash

[Lois]

Just another example of the extreme-right bullying professors they don't like out their jobs.

[joan1984]

Of course, everyone knows the extreme right runs education.

[psiberzerker]

Not the Extreme right, but yes.  Education is conservative.

[Lois]

The extreme right seems to have a big influence with the military, but this "campusreform.org" group wants to extend their influence into the academic world as well.

Tell me who Antifa has killed.  So far, no one.  Meanwhile the white Nationalists have a body count, yet I don't ever hear you condemning them.  

The M.O. of the white nationalist groups is to find a place to provoke a fight.  That's why they choose places like Berkeley and Portland.  Then when the fight they start gets bad they step back and cry "Poor us, those left-wingers are so violent!"

[IdleBoast]

"Education is run by the right wing."

"Education is conservative."

These statements confuse me.

Are they sarcastic, or actual statements of fact about US education?

(UK education is constantly attacked in the media for being too left wing.)

[Jed_]

Of course, everyone knows the extreme right runs education.

Fixed the thread title for ya Grand Wizard!

[MissBarbara]

The extreme right seems to have a big influence with the military, but this "campusreform.org" group wants to extend their influence into the academic world as well.

Tell me who Antifa has killed.  So far, no one.  Meanwhile the white Nationalists have a body count, yet I don't ever hear you condemning them.  

The M.O. of the white nationalist groups is to find a place to provoke a fight.  That's why they choose places like Berkeley and Portland.  Then when the fight they start gets bad they step back and cry "Poor us, those left-wingers are so violent!"

I think this is a perfect summary of the situation.

[MissBarbara]

"Education is run by the right wing."

"Education is conservative."

These statements confuse me.

Are they sarcastic, or actual statements of fact about US education?

(UK education is constantly attacked in the media for being too left wing.)

As an American who is very deeply involved in education, I haven't the slightest idea what they mean...

[psiberzerker]

"Education is conservative."

These statements confuse me.  Are they sarcastic, or actual statements of fact about US education?

At the Collegic level, American Universities are pretty much run on Precedent, and Tenure.  So, the senior professors get the most privilege, on up to near immunity/cover-ups to protect them from Scandals.

"History is written by the Victors."

~W. Churchill.

Look at the old institutions in Oxford, and Cambridge.  The traditions, the Greek fraternities that we got from you.  I'm sure the media wants to paint that system as "Liberal," but only to appeal to those who want more Traditional/prestigious schools, for the next generation.

I can't show pictures, but look at the uniforms for Boarding Schools.  Not just the Catholic, and Anglican ones, the state run Preparatory schools.  The media says a lot of things, but "Conservative," and "Liberal" don't mean the same thing on either side of the pond, nor in Oregon the same as the Ivy League of New England.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, though.

There are Progressive Schools, like Caltech, and MiT, but the wealth, and power goes to the traditional schools like Yale, and Harvard.  If they don't send their kids to European (Old World) schools to study abroad, or forge their records to put them on the Crew team.

I guess you can substitute the term Traditional in my answer. 

answering a question here.  I saw that as an invitation to psisplain on an intrinsically Academic subject.