Antifa Riot In Portland, Ore.

[psiberzerker]

You are looking at our government first but why not the cartels first?

No, I was looking at Charlottesville first, (Because that's where Antifa debuted) and showing the flags to you.  Now, we've moved on to Immigration, and I asked you what ends justify the means?

You want to shift the blame to the Cartels, but they didn't set up those concentration camps.

Now, what ends justify those means?

[Gunnerman19]

I answered that already. May not be the answer you were looking for.
The government, border patrol and the thousands of volunteers are doing all they can with what they have.
 If I had all the answers then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
People from all over this beautiful earth are still coming here and see our freedoms. There are so many that hate our way of life including those in America. Yet people come here in large numbers to escape their current conditions or for education or work and so on. The ones that threaten to leave...well need I say more. Do you think people would continually come here because we are terrible as a nation. Do we have our faults...well absolutely.

[psiberzerker]

The government, border patrol and the thousands of volunteers are doing all they can with what they have.

What they have is dog kennels.  You see the 2 empty chairs in that cage?  They have prison mats, and Emergency blankets for the kids.  The guy with the game controler is sitting on the concrete floor, while there's 2 chairs over in the corner, not being used.  So, you say that they're doing All they can with what they have?  Not one of those children got up off the floor, and went to sit down in those chairs?

I asked you what the Ends are.  That's the Goal Post, since you keep trying to shift them, I'll let you set them:

What does this accomplish?  How does locking up American children do anything to stop the Cartels, or even slow them down?  

If there is no End, then we're just locking up American children for nothing.

[psiberzerker]

Okay, here's your enemy:



Where did they get those rifles?  There aren't any M-4 factories in Belize.  You're a "Gunner," right?  Those aren't Kalashnikov, Simonovs, or Knockovs.  Those are American service rifles, lend-leased to Guerillas who then became the current Drug Cartels.

If they are the reason why we have to have concentration camps, then who's responsible for arming them?

[Gunnerman19]

Well how many chairs have the American people sent down there? Do we rely on our government or are we the people that run this country? The government should not be in charge of doing this. Yes they should help and protect...border patrol and some items you see. What about Goodwill? Millions of Americans take items (such as the things needed by these people) to Goodwill but then they sell them back to the community...? Maybe it would be better to send those items to the people down there. Just a thought. We all can do more...myself included but it’s not President Trumps fault, it’s not even former President Obama’s fault. It’s not the border patrol’s fault. If something is wrong it’s our fault as a nation and causing violence and chaos is not the solution. Bitching and blaming isn’t either. Acting and supporting is the solution.

[Gunnerman19]

Can you tell what’s in another’s heart?
I sure can’t! Like I said we have our faults and sometimes our choices bite us in the ass in a bad way. Again I will say there is more at play here than what we see and are told. Unfortunately there will never be a time where there are no wars or talks of war. That means there will always be terrible people.

[psiberzerker]

Do we rely on our government or are we the people that run this country?

The American People didn't vote for Concentration Camps.  We, the people didn't round them up with Gestappo tactics, either.

The government should not be in charge of doing this.

BECAUSE AMERICA SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS!  You have had 2 opportunities now to give me 1 good reason why we need concentration camps.  You declined.  I am not sending chairs to make the children's Prisons more comfortable.  

I have already gone out there, twice this year to Protest this.  With Antifa.  What did you do?

Said somebody called you a "Racist."  My hero.

[Gunnerman19]

Laws that are in place by the people as a nation we put in place. The same was true during former President Obama’s terms. Me telling you that I don’t have an answer is not an answer? That the government and border patrol and thousands of volunteers are doing the best they can...? Like I said “it may not be the answer you want but it’s the one you’re getting”.
So you and Antifa waist energy by protesting... okay and with that you think you are helping the situation or ?. Seems to me that if you went over there and spend time with the volunteers you have a better perspective of how things really are. Not just your make believe ideas about it. I think your passion and the heart you show is commendable as previously stated. It’s of my believe that my energy is used to act not complain or make the issue harder. Protesting has its place and is a fine thing but when energy is put to that instead of showing the people we are what they seek..., well that’s just ridiculous. We have laws and those parents chose to break them. Should we do everything in our power (the people, government as far as what it was meant to do, border patrol) ....well yes. I view is that you did what you thought was right at the time by going with Antifa to protest. I’d hope that chatting with me will help you to see that those people cause more problems than they fix. As Americans volunteering to help the people and support those in those cages and exercise our right so we can change the laws that cause things like this to seemingly get out of hand.

[psiberzerker]

Seems to me that if you went over there and spend time with the volunteers you have a better perspective of how things really are.

What volunteers?  I was there, twice this year.  Would you like to point out the "Volunteers" they have there, so that I may talk to them?  That's why we didn't talk to them:  Either they weren't there, or they weren't allowed out to talk to the protesters.  (We weren't invited in, either.)

We have laws and those parents chose to break them.

This does not justify punishing their Children for being born in America.

As Americans volunteering to help the people and support those in those cages and exercise our right so we can change the laws that cause things like this to seemingly get out of hand.

No laws "Cause this."  There is no law, nor should there ever be, that being born an American Citizen is punishable by incarceration, without a trial, nor even charges.  What's causing this is White Nationalists reducing Americans to Animal conditions, and Criminal status, because they donlt like the color of their skin, and I will continue protesting until this illegal action is stopped, by the Government, or the People.

The only "Action" that would have any effect is attacking uniformed soldiers, and breaking into an Armed camp, to let them out of the cages.

[Gunnerman19]

That’s all garbage! Not one thing you said in your last post has truth. Continue to do what you do then and stand up in the way you see fit. I understand what you are trying to say but you choose to only see the things you want to. I wish you well in your “divided we are better” ideas.

[psiberzerker]

I wish you well in your “divided we are better” ideas.

Where did "Divided we're better" even come from?  I haven't even implied anything like that, my idea is we Include these children with the rest of the population, because they Are Americans.  Not animals, not "Criminals," and not pawns to make it easier to round up their Latin-American families.  

The president was elected with 2 promises:  "Build a Wall," to "Make America Great Again."  Separate America from Latin America.  That's the "Divided we're better" argument, that the Racists rallied behind.

I'm standing WITH Antifa, not against them.  United we're stronger, and you're welcome to join us, any time you want to.

[Lois]

Antifa = anti-fascist.

Antifa has never killed anyone, nor have they ever started a riot.  They show up to oppose neo-NAZI's, KKK, and White supremisists/nationalists.

It is the neo-NAZI's, KKK, and White supremisists/nationalists that are killing people.  Right wing extremists killed at least 50 people in 2018 alone.
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

So who are the terrorists and who are the patriots?

[joan1984]

Antifa is domestic Terrorist organization, attacking individuals with arms they bring for Assault and Mayhem, no matter what their stated goal may be.
violent, armed thugs need to be removed from our streets.

No matter what they may say, Antifa, and Politicians who support them, need to be removed from our streets.

Peaceful assembly is assured in our Constitution, and anyone who violently acts, and advocates against today's peaceful, lawful assembly is liable for arrest, and removal from the scene.

Antifa = anti-fascist.

Antifa has never killed anyone, nor have they ever started a riot.  They show up to oppose neo-NAZI's, KKK, and White supremisists/nationalists.

It is the neo-NAZI's, KKK, and White supremisists/nationalists that are killing people.  Right wing extremists killed at least 50 people in 2018 alone.
https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

So who are the terrorists and who are the patriots?

[psiberzerker]

Antifa is domestic Terrorist organization, attacking individuals with arms they bring for Assault and Mayhem, no matter what their stated goal may be.

Okay, now what do you call the Ku Klux Clan?  The Arayan Nation?

Those are the Organizations (Not Individuals) they attack.

[joan1984]

Matters not what I call any organization. If they practice violence against others, especially attempting to remove the rights of people to peaceably assemble, the antagonists must be stopped. Politicians who give support to such as well need to be removed.

Peaceful assembly is a right to be protected.

Antifa is domestic Terrorist organization, attacking individuals with arms they bring for Assault and Mayhem, no matter what their stated goal may be.

Okay, now what do you call the Ku Klux Clan?  The Arayan Nation?

Those are the Organizations (Not Individuals) they attack.

[psiberzerker]

Matters not what I call any organization.

Good, then I'll continue ignoring you calling my friends "Terrorists."

[Jed_]

The right to provocative assembly?

I’d feel better if the racist fascists marches were just ignored.  But then that sort of lack of response didn’t work out so good for Jewish people in 1930s Germany.

Never again.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker- you made quite a few comments of how if I support the people “you” think are racist then that makes me racist. If you re-read you will see that. I don’t support Antifa in any way what so ever. Same with some people of patriot prayer or the proud boys when they are just looking for a fight. You side with people who distort property and act like they don’t need law. As soon as one of your friends is put in his place they cry to the cops. If you put you hand over a flame long enough you will get burnt.
Is there common ground in saying we both want peaceful protest where people can say what the want even if you don’t agree? That would mean even the racist idiots.

Lois- you are wrong and your article means nothing. Really because evil people kill
and there are evil people on both side, in between, and from every country and race. We can play the article game but let’s use our brains and common sense here. News, politicians,  scientist, and the like can be bought at all levels. I won’t play the article game. Doesn’t matter what side it is, if you murder someone you are low and deserve what you have coming. If it’s self defense that is another thing altogether.

[psiberzerker]

Psiberzerker- you made quite a few comments of how if I support the people “you” think are racist then that makes me racist.

I don't "think" the KKK are racist.  They're racists.  

I never said that made you a racist, nor called you a racist, but if that's basically all you got.  "They're calling anyone that don't agree with them racists!" then you'll hear it regardless of what I'm actually saying.

[Gunnerman19]

I would agree with you on that group for sure. Look at that...common ground. If a KKK member walks up behind me and I am at a pro trump event you said you would associate me as racist. Just because you have a picture of it doesn’t mean I am with them or share their stupidity.