Antifa Riot In Portland, Ore.

[joan1984]

Black clad Antifa thugs gathered away from a authorized, permitted, organized Patriot March in Portland, OR.

The Antifa group was disarmed by police, who confiscated box cutters, pepper spray, clubs, gas canisters and other throwable objects. The thugs advanced regardless of being urged to disburse by Police, to attack the peaceful marchers with thrown objects, including 1/2 full water bottles and eggs, causing injury to at least 4 permitted demonstrators, and some police.

Antifa of course had NO Permit for their planned assault on peaceful marchers, as usual, and the claimed numbers, about 150 with permits to march, and about 300 Antifa black clad thugs who attacked those peaceably assembled.

Upon witnessing assaults, Police revoked the Permit for a march, and attempted to clear the streets of all persons, Thugs and Permit Holding marchers. Police used tear gas to disburse the thugs, clear the streets.

Thug tactics win again as Antifa wishes only to disrupt any meaningful dialog.

Seems such a familiar tactic, am thinking, similar to what would happen if I had posted this NEWS in a general discussion thread... attack, attack, attack...

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/06/portland_police_revoke_permit.html

[Katiebee]

If I read that correctly, I will reply in your vernacular Joan. They bussed in foreign provocateurs to demonstrate for a U.S. senate candidate.

[joan1984]

Seems the Senate Candidate and some 150 like minded folks obtained a legal permit to gather and march in Portland. Police were well aware of the 300 Antifa thugs (no permit to gather or demonstrate), arrested a few, disarmed others, and could not prevent the thugs from throwing items and otherwise causing mayhem.

Interesting how the media played it that 'both groups were wrong'... seemed a familiar phrasing for another Antifa black shirt fascism thug attack on a legal demonstration, just a different city.

No choir boys, methinks, in either group, and we have no need for violence by any organized group such as Antifa fascists, let alone MSM coverage letting them off the hook, when they were the instigators of violence, the ones bearing arms, no permits, destroying a otherwise peaceful demonstration.

Just sayin'...

If I read that correctly, I will reply in your vernacular Joan. They bussed in foreign provocateurs to demonstrate for a U.S. senate candidate.

[Katiebee]

And in your parlance, If they had been there for a Democrat, they would have been foreign provocateurs bussed in to create trouble. And they are non-us citizens campaigning for a us senator.  

Let’s not sugar coat it Joan. Were the shoe on the other foot you would be screaming about this. Your credibility on this is suspect to say the least.

[joan1984]

  Portland is a total loss, as to value for Republicans, Senate or whatever. He is not one of the ones I follow, and, no reason this guy and his friends, doing all the right things with permits and such, should be stalked and attacked by thugs who are Democrat supported.

  Such thugs need to be arrested when they assemble in any number, and Police simply 'allowing' them to attack, with no arrests for rioting for the actions they are taking, is not a correct decision. Whether they are attacking some demonstrators in Virginia, or the supporters of some crackpot Senate longshot, Antifa is wrong, way wrong, and they seem to get a total pass.

[Jed_]

No one acting violently gets a pass from police, at least not since the Civil Rights Movement. That’s an absurd statement.

[Lois]

I am not a big fan of Antifa because they are playing right into the hands of these provocateurs.  The demonstration was organized by Patriot Prayer but they made sure to include a white nationalist hate group called Proud Boys.  The inclusion of the Proud Boys was to insure they would get a violent reaction from Antifa and they got it.

Then people like Joan gets to cry victim, and deny the fact that most politically motivated murders in the United States are carried out by the far-right.

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.

You have to go back to the 1970s to find the last big cycle of far-left extremism in the U.S. Both Pitcavage and McNabb say we have been in a predominantly far-right extremist cycle since the 1990s — the abortion clinic bombings and Oklahoma City, for example. And, more recently, racially motivated attacks such as the one at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, the mass shooting at a black church in Charleston, S.C., and last month's stabbings on a commuter train in Portland.

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising

[ShadowArxxy]

As someone who works as a private security professional here in Portland: the claim that the Antifa protest did not have a permit is absolutely false. Both sides obtained legal permits in advance. This was in fact communicated to potentially affected businesses and local security companies days before.

The difference is that during the actual event, Patriot Prayer's permit was revoked on the spot by Portland Police Bureau due to the aggressive behavior of the Proud Boys militia contingent of their protest. Antifa's permit was not revoked at that time because they were not engaging in aggressive behavior. After the permit was revoked, these aggressive elements of the Patriot Prayer group unlawfully continued their march and escalated the situation further; the police then declared the situation a riot and cleared everyone out.

Per my security officers observing the situation firsthand (we were not involved, but we have client properties in the area), the riot activity lasted less than five minutes because Portland Police were fully prepared and had the situation well in hand.

[joan1984]

Thank you, ShadowArxxy, for the information and details. It helps.

[Katiebee]

So the issue was centered around a militant right-wing group that was advocating violent behavior.

Too typical.

[joan1984]

Antifa is a militant left wing group, of course, never up to any good.

As President Trump has said in the past, both sides caused trouble.

So the issue was centered around a militant right-wing group that was advocating violent behavior.

Too typical.

[psiberzerker]

And Patriot Prayer?

Antifa is a militant left wing group, of course, never up to any good.

And Patriot Prayer?



^That is who you're defending.  White supremacists hipsters.

I lived in Portland, I helped build a camp there for the displaced families from the Gentrification movement.  I've actually dealt with Patriot Prayer, personally.

Once again, the people who fight NAZIs on our streets are a Militia.  Covered in the 2nd Amendment.  Their entire charter is defending America from totalitarian religious zealots.

Just like the 1st, and 2nd Amendment tell us to.

Once again, it's okay if Christians do it, and the people against it, (In this case Antifa) are absolute evil.

So are you.  See you in hell.  There's your "Both sides."

~D. Trump.

[joan1984]

Never heard of this bunch until this article. Will accept they are zealots of some stripe, and am not a fan, what little I know today. Does not make Antifa worth existence, and certainly does not give Antifa a pass to break the law, any law.

Antifa is the reason there is violence whenever they show up, and they need to be shut down, not coddled. Permits should not be granted for violent groups, and violent groups, if granted a permit for some unavoidable reason, must post a bond, and provide security to curb their own people, seems to me.

Thugs are not welcome, no matter their political leanings.
No KKK, no Socialist Party Nazi's, no violent democrat backed groups at all.
No other violent groups known to Police for violence.

Your violent group is just as bad as my violent group, and has no place in public demonstrations, however there are some Constitutional considerations, and thus a requirement to prevent violence, by whatever means are needed, seems to me.

Look at what nonsense the 2017 Inaugural violence, and arrests, turned into.
Virtually no punishment for any of those arrested, by one reason or another, squeaked free.

Just need then to stop them from the opportunity, and insure they never wish to come back to that town again by whatever means necessary.

If we must squander our money in court actions, no need to put up with the nonsense as well. Beat them when they riot, whatever it takes, maintain the law, protect the citizens, protect the property, and disbar weasel lawyers who seek to allow such vile behavior to go unpunished, as may be necessary.

[psiberzerker]

Does not make Antifa worth existence, and certainly does not give Antifa a pass to break the law, any law.

The law here, was broken by the cops, infringing on the Militia's Right to Bear Arms.

You don't know anything about Antifa, either.  Except the lies der Furhrer sold you.

Get rid of the Nazis, and there will be no need for a Militia to oppose them.

[Jed_]

I don’t like militia groups, doesn’t matter what side they think they’re on.  They spout nonsense about having to be prepared to defend against violence or uphold whatever values they claim to hold dear, but in the end they just like playing at being a faux army, being violent, busting heads and even killing those they don’t like.

[psiberzerker]

I don’t like militia groups, doesn’t matter what side they think they’re on.  They spout nonsense about having to be prepared to defends against violence or uphold whatever values they claim to hold dear, but in the end they just like playing at being a faux army, being violent, busting heads and even killing those they don’t like.

Okay, agreed.  However, one was disarmed, and the other (With "Prayer" in their name) weren't even Searched.  Because they payed a tax to the Portland Authority.

If there's "Both sides" here, then why is only one side even being named in this thread?  We're talking about 2 Militas clashing here.  Right now, the only difference I see is one is fighting for All Americans, and the other is for White Christian Americans Uber Alles.

The first Amendment doesn't say "The right to peacible assembly" unless you don't pay the protest tax.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't say "The right to bear arms" unless you're against Fascism.

The 1st Amendment doesn't say "No law respecting an institute of Religion" unless they're Christian.

If it's not for everyone, it's not freedom, it's tyranny.

[Katiebee]

Antifa is a militant left wing group, of course, never up to any good.

As President Trump has said in the past, both sides caused trouble.

So the issue was centered around a militant right-wing group that was advocating violent behavior.

Too typical.

No! He said the neo-Nazis have some good people. Get your hate speech correct.

[ShadowArxxy]

Antifa is the reason there is violence whenever they show up, and they need to be shut down, not coddled. Permits should not be granted for violent groups, and violent groups, if granted a permit for some unavoidable reason, must post a bond, and provide security to curb their own people, seems to me.

The right-wing Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys groups were the instigators of this riot, not Antifa. These groups also have no legitimate business in Portland; they are not from here, they are being bused in from across the state line to cause trouble.

I reiterate that the OP's claim that Antifa did not have a permit and was behaving unlawfully is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. The only people behaving unlawfully were Patriot Prayer / Proud Boys, who unlawfully initiated violence against Antifa, unlawfully continued their demonstration after their permit was revoked by the Portland Police due to that violence, and then unlawfully further escalated their violence into a riot situation.

While it is true that both sides committed violent acts during several of the previous incidents in Portland, that was not the case this time. Patriot Prayer / Proud Boys were the only ones who engaged in criminal behavior, Antifa only acted in lawful self-defense.

[joan1984]

Not true, Katiebee, and if you do not know that, it is distressing.
Antifa was the problem in Virginia, and is a problem anywhere they go.

The President repeated what he had heard, that there were good people on both sides, and you YOU Democrats and Leftists, and Media (I am being redundant), chose to misunderstand his statement, and ran with it, with the false headlines, interpreting for the less interested public, as usual.

There were rioters who were not part of the Permit Group of demonstrators.
Lots of things went awry there, which placed the demonstrators in the path of the Antifa thugs, and caught general citizen observers in the middle.

Antifa used a form of flame thrower, in at least one instance, came prepared for extreme violence, brought it along with them, and the Press cared less.

Antifa is a militant left wing group, of course, never up to any good.

As President Trump has said in the past, both sides caused trouble.

So the issue was centered around a militant right-wing group that was advocating violent behavior.

Too typical.

No! He said the neo-Nazis have some good people. Get your hate speech correct.

[psiberzerker]

Antifa was the problem in Virginia

Just to be clear, this is not a problem:



The people who're against nazis, within 125 miles of the capital building?

They're the problem.