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Reply #20 on: June 05, 2018, 03:02:46 PM
This is petty as fuck, on all sides of the argument.  If it weren't for agendas trying to prove a point, then this never should have gone to court in the first place.  Gay couples' money not being good enough, or gay couples wanting to use stuck up straight bakers.  It's all bullshit, and a waste of everyone's time.


Agreed.

I'm torn on this.  I haven't followed this very closely other than hearing 15 second news snippets on the radio.  I've learned more about it in this topic than elsewhere.


They gay couple could have easily walked away and went to someone that did want their money.
The baker could have easily baked a wedding cake and let the couple put the cake topper of two men on top.

Rosa Parks could have easily sat at the back of the bus.
The bus driver could have easily just driven off and let Rosa Parks sit in the seat she was.

The baker didn't want to bake the cake.  Had it been me I would have told him to F off and taken my money elsewhere. 
But everybody has to prove a point these days. 



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Reply #21 on: June 05, 2018, 03:19:53 PM
Lawyer here.

This is analogous to the Greensboro lunch counter protests of the early 60’s.  Corporation engaging in discriminatory practices, drew protests and adverse economic consequences for Woolworth’s.  They segregated their counters, as a result.  

Years later the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed, outlawing racial discrimination in public accommodations.  But is a bakery a “public accommodation”?  Even if it is, can a gay man force a baker to make a penis shaped cake, with white frosting for splooge?  “But it’s a wedding cake,” you say.  But see where this goes?

For the most part, private citizens are allowed to be bigots.  And the public is allowed to respond.  Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

There are federal employment laws in the workplace, that prohibit age, sex, race, and religious discrimination, but those don’t apply here.  You just had a little homophobic religious bigot who didn’t want to bake a cake.

 At the end of the day, it was the right result for the wrong reason.  And honestly.  We have better things to argue about.  The world is on fire.  This is a narrowly drawn, specific to this incident, opinion, that may appear in a footnote a few years from now.



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Reply #22 on: June 05, 2018, 03:37:20 PM
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

Right, for the most part, as it applies here in America, it's freedom from Government censorship.  However "Speech" is ironially not the best wording.  It's Expression, and while I'm not going to call Baking an Art, bakers can be artists, and when you get to the Wedding cake level, we're basically talking mixed media sculpture in flour, and fondant.

That's why i'm siding with the odious bigoted, fundementalist homophobes on this one.  They're in the right, no need to be assholes about it, but I'm a writer.  An artist, and opinionated asshole with an agenda in identity politics.  I paint, and sculpt in words, so forcing a baker to make a cake that's against their Artistic capabilities, even if it's putting 2 brides, or 2 grooms on top, even if it's for all the wrong reasons, is not something I can support.

It would be the same thing as the government telling me that I can't write a story about a girl transitioning to a young man.  Even if nobody wants to read it, on any or no grounds, I can't write straight vanilla erotica.  It's not against my religion, it's against my identity.  I'm pathologically incapable of it.

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There are federal employment laws in the workplace, that prohibit age, sex, race, and religious discrimination, but those don’t apply here.

Right, they're not employees, in fact the gay couple are the Employers, even though it's a temporary contract.  So honestly, this is a case of Sexual Harassment.  Going into their work place (The bakery) and forcing something homosexually explicit (2 brides, or 2 grooms on a wedding cake) onto people they know, for a fact this is emotionally Triggering for.  I don't like it, but that's the case.

Sexual abuse.
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Reply #23 on: June 24, 2018, 09:09:36 PM
Conservatives bitch and moan when Red Hen Restaurant refuses to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders. 

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Reply #24 on: June 24, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
Conservatives bitch and moan when Red Hen Restaurant refuses to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders. 

 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:


Let her have a damn meal in peace.  It’s enough for me to know any future potential employers will not trust with good reason her honesty and integrity.



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Reply #25 on: June 24, 2018, 11:06:41 PM
Conservatives bitch and moan when Red Hen Restaurant refuses to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

I have so much sympathy for that woman.  She's got to have stainless steel balls to do the worst job on Earth (apologize for the last retarded thing the President Tweeted) and keep it, longer than every other WHPS in the "Your Fired" administration, combined.

Like her or not, she's a certified badass.  I have a feeling that refusing to serve her lunch isn't going to phase her all that much.
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Reply #26 on: June 24, 2018, 11:07:23 PM
she's a certified badass.

You're half right.

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Reply #27 on: June 24, 2018, 11:10:02 PM
You're half right.

No, I'm an anarchist.  You cut out the half you wanted to hear, because you're all that's Left.

#Retarded.

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Reply #28 on: June 24, 2018, 11:13:53 PM
I refuse to respect people who lie.

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Reply #29 on: June 24, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
I refuse to respect people who lie.

#Resist

So, you absolutely don't respect anyone, because everyone lies.  This is what's holding progress back.  This pissant pushme-pullyou between the opposition.  Instead of 2 steps forward, 1 step back (We come together when opposites attract) we get a jump to the left, and then it's a step to the right.

But it's the pelvic thrusts that really drive you insane.  It's not the conservatives holding the liberals back, not the progressives fighting ahead despite the anchor of the right, it's nothing gets done, because you're voting for the Parties, and not the policies we need right now.  The same parties that fight over who's to blame for fucking up the country.

You're not left, you're wrong, just like the right.  You need to stop fighting, and start cooperating, while we still have a country to fix.  Or start getting ready to build a new one from the ashes, if you're not too busy pointing the finger at those, over there you hold responsible.

I'm already packed...

Hate is hate.  Period.  You can't hold the moral high ground, and stoop their level at the same time.



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Reply #30 on: June 24, 2018, 11:28:15 PM
If you expect me to respect human garbage like Trump and his staff, you'll be waiting a long fucking time.

These people have zero place in society.

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Reply #31 on: June 24, 2018, 11:33:40 PM
If you expect me to respect human garbage like Trump and his staff, you'll be waiting a long fucking time.

I don't expect you to do anything.  You're just dismissing someone that I'd suggest you not underestimate, because of association.  Trump is an idiot.  Huckabee-Saunders is intelligent, politically savvy, well spoken, and connected enough to be extremely dangerous.  I'd assume that you never thought Trump had a chance, but you gave too much credit for the intelligence, and common sense of the voter.

You've seen what she can do as a spokesperson.  Now, try to imagine what she can do in the House of Representatives.  Your (Plural, you and your kind) arrogance has already lost you so much.

How much you wanna bet against her?



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Reply #32 on: June 24, 2018, 11:37:00 PM
She's got more money than me.  She'll always be more powerful.

The only thing I can do is prove how shitty a person she and her ilk are.

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Reply #33 on: June 24, 2018, 11:40:21 PM
She's got more money than me.  She'll always be more powerful.

Okay, that's it?  Money=Power?  Look, Trump had money, now he has more Power than he knows what to do with.  She's doing everything in her power to make that turd blossom to come out smelling like a rose. 

No, I give up.  You're too blinded by hate to see my point.  Good luck with that, you're doing such a good job so far.

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Reply #34 on: June 25, 2018, 02:44:39 PM

Conservatives bitch and moan when Red Hen Restaurant refuses to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders. 

 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:


...and Liberals wildly celebrate when this small business owner refuses service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs....

...yet wildly condemn another small business owner who refused service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs...

I'm trying hard not to use the H word...





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Reply #35 on: June 25, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
I know MissBarbara.  I think I said elsewhere let her have a damn meal.  And as long as the cake isn’t a depiction of one male sucking another male’s cock, make the fucking cake.



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Reply #36 on: June 25, 2018, 03:59:02 PM

Conservatives bitch and moan when Red Hen Restaurant refuses to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders. 

 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:


...and Liberals wildly celebrate when this small business owner refuses service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs....

...yet wildly condemn another small business owner who refused service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs...

I'm trying hard not to use the H word...






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Reply #37 on: June 25, 2018, 04:40:29 PM

Conservatives bitch and moan when Red Hen Restaurant refuses to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders.  

 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:


...and Liberals wildly celebrate when this small business owner refuses service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs....

...yet wildly condemn another small business owner who refused service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs...

I'm trying hard not to use the H word...




Political beliefs are not a protected status. And while I feel that this is being taken to an extreme and that political beliefs such as in this instance should not be followed that closely, I would say that a neo-nazi group that is broadcasting it’s message in a restaurant would be susceptible to refusal of services. This was not in the same vein.

It is an indication that the Trump administration policies are not healthy for the nation, and that as a personal statement by an owner, it is acceptable to express a deeply held conviction.

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Reply #38 on: June 25, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
The question is where is the line drawn. Deeply held religious views are allowed to refuse service. Is this a matter of what is good for the goose is good for the gander?
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Reply #39 on: June 25, 2018, 04:46:19 PM
...and Liberals wildly celebrate when this small business owner refuses service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs....

...yet wildly condemn another small business owner who refused service to a patron based on their own personal beliefs...

I'm trying hard not to use the H word...


While you probably could use the word hypocrite, here's the money quote.

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Several Red Hen employees are gay, she said. They knew Sanders had defended Trump’s desire to bar transgender people from the military. This month, they had all watched her evade questions and defend a Trump policy that caused migrant children to be separated from their parents.

“Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave,” Wilkinson told her staff, she said. “They said ‘yes.’ ”

It was important to Wilkinson, she said, that Sanders had already been served — that her staff had not simply refused her on sight. And it was important to her that Sanders was a public official, not just a customer with whom she disagreed, many of whom were included in her regular clientele.

The owner of the Red Hen explains why she asked Sarah Huckabee Sanders to leave

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