Separating children from their parents

[Athos_131]

Hundreds of children wait in Border Patrol facility in Texas

An advocate who spent several hours in the facility Friday said she was deeply troubled by what she found.

Michelle Brane, director of migrant rights at the Women’s Refugee Commission, met with a 16-year-old girl who had been taking care of a young girl for three days. The teen and others in their cage thought the girl was 2 years old.

“She had to teach other kids in the cell to change her diaper,” Brane said.

Brane said that after an attorney started to ask questions, agents found the girl’s aunt and reunited the two. It turned out that the girl was actually 4 years old. Part of the problem was that she didn’t speak Spanish, but K’iche, a language indigenous to Guatemala.

“She was so traumatized that she wasn’t talking,” Brane said. “She was just curled up in a little ball.”

Brane said she also saw officials at the facility scold a group of 5-year-olds for playing around in their cage, telling them to settle down. There are no toys or books.

But one boy nearby wasn’t playing with the rest. According to Brane, he was quiet, clutching a piece of paper that was a photocopy of his mother’s ID card.

Dr. Colleen Kraft, the head of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said that she visited a small shelter in Texas recently, which she declined to identity. A toddler inside the 60-bed facility caught her eye — she was crying uncontrollably and pounding her little fists on mat.

Staff members tried to console the child, who looked to be about 2 years old, Kraft said. She had been taken from her mother the night before and brought to the shelter.

The staff gave her books and toys — but they weren’t allowed to pick her up, to hold her or hug her to try to calm her. As a rule, staff aren’t allowed to touch the children there, she said.

This is utter horseshit.

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[joan1984]

  Where would anyone suggest the children of criminals be placed, when the parents are not US Citizens, have no U.S. address, may have no verifiable ID, and are Incarcerated for whatever reason?

  How many Million$ of taxpayer dollars are allocated for enforcement of the law? Incarceration is the future for adult alien criminals and law breakers, and for Asylum seekers until such time the alien may be fully Identified, Verified, and Processed.

  Children of U.S. Citizens who are incarcerated are placed with U.S. Citizen relatives who have good standing in their community, and want such children.
Lacking such individual citizens, such children may be turned over to Child Protective Services to be processed and adopted, or otherwise handled under the law.

  Children of criminal or suspect aliens without sufficient ID/Verification are also similarly handled under the law.

Forced separation and deportation against a parents wishes, of a alien minor, was last addressed by President Clinton, and his Attorney General Janet Reno, when Elion Gonzolez was removed from his US relatives and family at gunpoint, and shipped back to where he came from, Cuba, with full Democrat Congressional, Democrat Politicians, and KB'er leftist support, as I recall.

[Athos_131]

Laura Bush: Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’

On Sunday, a day we as a nation set aside to honor fathers and the bonds of family, I was among the millions of Americans who watched images of children who have been torn from their parents. In the six weeks between April 19 and May 31, the Department of Homeland Security has sent nearly 2,000 children to mass detention centers or foster care. More than 100 of these children are younger than 4 years old. The reason for these separations is a zero-tolerance policy for their parents, who are accused of illegally crossing our borders.

I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart.

Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.

Americans pride ourselves on being a moral nation, on being the nation that sends humanitarian relief to places devastated by natural disasters or famine or war. We pride ourselves on believing that people should be seen for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. We pride ourselves on acceptance. If we are truly that country, then it is our obligation to reunite these detained children with their parents — and to stop separating parents and children in the first place.

People on all sides agree that our immigration system isn’t working, but the injustice of zero tolerance is not the answer. I moved away from Washington almost a decade ago, but I know there are good people at all levels of government who can do better to fix this.

Recently, Colleen Kraft, who heads the American Academy of Pediatrics, visited a shelter run by the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement. She reported that while there were beds, toys, crayons, a playground and diaper changes, the people working at the shelter had been instructed not to pick up or touch the children to comfort them. Imagine not being able to pick up a child who is not yet out of diapers.

Twenty-nine years ago, my mother-in-law, Barbara Bush, visited Grandma’s House, a home for children with HIV/AIDS in Washington. Back then, at the height of the HIV/AIDS crisis, the disease was a death sentence, and most babies born with it were considered “untouchables.” During her visit, Barbara — who was the first lady at the time — picked up a fussy, dying baby named Donovan and snuggled him against her shoulder to soothe him. My mother-in-law never viewed her embrace of that fragile child as courageous. She simply saw it as the right thing to do in a world that can be arbitrary, unkind and even cruel. She, who after the death of her 3-year-old daughter knew what it was to lose a child, believed that every child is deserving of human kindness, compassion and love.

In 2018, can we not as a nation find a kinder, more compassionate and more moral answer to this current crisis? I, for one, believe we can.

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[Athos_131]

 Wall of racist text.

Go Fuck Yourself.

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[Athos_131]

To Great Britain, France, Canada, Germany, ect.

I'd be more than ok with you sanctioning us for separating children from parents of asulym seekers.

#Resist

[Lois]

  Where would anyone suggest the children of criminals be placed, when the parents are not US Citizens, have no U.S. address, may have no verifiable ID, and are Incarcerated for whatever reason?

They are not the children of criminals, but of people fleeing a very bad situation.  But even if they were the children of criminals, why are you for punishing the children?  It is the children that come to the greatest harm in being separated.

As I've pointed out to you before, crossing the border without proper documentation is a misdemeanor, like a traffic ticket. So have you ever gotten a speeding ticket?  Does that make you a criminal?

Please try to place yourself in their shoes for a moment.  Pretend for a moment you are a mother with two young daughters.  Their father has already been killed by the gangs, and now you hear the gangs are coming for you.  You might stand and fight, but if you die fighting what will become of your daughters?  So you decide to flee and seek asylum in the United States.

Now in order to apply for asylum you must cross the border and present yourself to the authorities to start your application.  You are taken into custody and labeled a criminal, and your children are taken away from you.  Now you go through the court process and are released, but you have no idea where your children are.  No one answers the telephone number you were told to call about your children.  You don't know if you will ever see them again.

Now do the same exercise pretending you are one of these children.  Read the article Athos posted above if you have trouble doing this.

What is truly criminal is separating children from their parents, and exposing these children to a traumatic experience that could damage them for the rest of their lives.

[Athos_131]

Please try to place yourself in their shoes for a moment. 

You're expecting the poster to think like they are an actual compassionate human being?

Post history tells us otherwise.

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[Lois]

Please try to place yourself in their shoes for a moment. 

You're expecting the poster to think like they are an actual compassionate human being?

Post history tells us otherwise.

#Resist

Maybe she did not have loving parents?

[Athos_131]

Texas deputy sexually assaulted undocumented immigrant's child, sheriff says

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[Athos_131]

American Academy of Pediatrics president: Trump family separation policy is 'child abuse'

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[joan1984]

  Illegal migrants are being prosecuted, incarcerated until their criminal case may be addressed fully, while they are being identified, records researched, and their family status determined, as to any minors caught crossing the border with the adult.

  First time lawbreakers face criminal Misdemeanor punishment when found guilty.

  An adult who previously was caught crossing our border is subject to criminal Felony changes for their offense, and incarcerated until their case is adjudicated, and may face whatever remaining jail time remains pending from their initial crime, prior to being processed and removed, or deported, or prior to the criminal alien fleeing prosecution in the first case.

  Incarcerated criminal aliens are removed from society, and any confirmed minor relatives who were caught with them during the crime may be detained, likely by HHS, until their status is fully determined.

  Aliens who enter the U.S. without a Visa, and declare themselves Refugees seeking Asylum in the United States, will be detained, and minor family with them when they so declare will be detained by CBP, keeping the family together once the adult/child relationship is confirmed, and the adult identity and criminial history, if any, is determined.

  Minor Aliens who's parents seek Asylum may be detained with the parent(s) for up to 20 days, under US Law. When the adult Asylum seeker will be held for longer than the law allows for minors, said minors will be separated from the family and detained separately by CBP, or HHS, whatever is deemed to be legal and appropriate, as they await the determination of the parent's status.

  No entitlement to U.S. Residency is offered or assured for any illegal migrant, be they adult or minor.

  So, one can see that we have several entities at play, depending upon the criminal status of the adult alien, and the time being detained to determine identity, criminal history, and outstanding adjudication matters when applicable for said adult aliens.

  Family detention is limited to 20 days, and the amount of time necessary to vet and identify any alien, then to determine Asylum status in cases where the aliens so request such status, is very likely to grossly exceed legal detention of said minors by CBP in a family unit.

  Minors, those claiming to be minors and family, need identification, vetting and criminal history review, including gang affiliations and criminal history in the home country prior to, and during detention and subsequent incarceration, and meanwhile, without criminal history, such minors are housed, fed, given medical care, English language instruction, and general education, as well as supervised recreation.

  I saw a headline a few days back noting over 13 Million minor U.S. Citizens endure a lower living environment when compared to incarcerated/detained alien minors in U.S. custody.

[Athos_131]

BLAH BLAH BLAH A BUNCH OF RACIST BULLSHIT

  I saw a headline a few days back noting over 13 Million minor U.S. Citizens endure a lower living environment when compared to incarcerated/detained alien minors in U.S. custody.

Please provide a credible, verifable source.  You are a proven liar.

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[Athos_131]

As stated in my former posts in this thread, this is Trump and Sessions behind this not Democrats.  Racist Steve Miller supports this position as well.

Seeking aslyum is not a crime.

Crossing the illegally border is merely a misdemeanor.  

joan1984 hates children.  She supported a suspected child rapist for the US Senate.  She likes to see these children ripped from their parents in terror.  

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[Lois]

A child's human rights are not forfeit for the crime of crossing the border without a visa. Separating children from their parents is child abuse.

Any person with a sense of decency should be outraged.

Remember in November.

[Katiebee]

Joan, it’s not a crime when the immigrant presents themselves to ICE and asks for asylum. At that point they are asylum seekers. You need to read the law.

[joan1984]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/
When the asylum seeker presents themselves at the appropriate location, in the case of those now seeking asylum physically at our border, at the designated Entry Station, the processing begins, and the asylum seekers are detained pending Identification, Verification, Criminal History search, and in the case of an adult with minor children presenting, the details of the minor are necessary, and the exact true relationship to the adult/adults in question.

Those who cross into the United States illegally, and upon being caught may claim to be seeking asylum, must first be treated as criminal aliens, since they did break the law by entering at other than the approved port of entry for the seeking of asylum.

In either case, minors seeking asylum may only be detained by CPB/ICE for 20 days, under the current U.S. law. This is the legislation President Trump is seeking be changed, but now is limited for minors to 20 days. At present, the capacity for holding areas for families seeking asylum is 3000 total capacity.

Additional funding is being sought in Congress to expand this capacity, as the time necessary for attaining Verified Identity, Criminal History in US, criminal history in the person's home country, and more, along with Immigration or Asylum proceedings far exceeds 20 days, thus exceeds current law.

Without full vetting, no one may enter the country to roam freely. Cases of Illegal Entry are handled as criminal cases, Adults turned over to U.S. Marshall Service. U.S. Marshall Service has no family incarceration/detention facility for anyone to speak of. It is only when such criminal alien adults are processed, and eligible for deportation, that that many may claim Asylum, meanwhile, the minors are being attended to, after processing for Identity Verification and criminal history in the US, gang membership and whatever else.

Expedited removal by request of the adult is possible, and the family may then be removed at the same time, reuniting the family.

There are some comprehensive articles detailing these processes online. Since you are not saying you are familiar with the details, I will find you a link.

Congress can agree together to change current law, and fund sufficiently the costs of family detention for Asylum seekers who have not broken our laws.

Meanwhile, those who cross the border illegally, upon apprehension, are in the hands of the U.S. Marshals Service for adjudication, locked up for ID, History, etc., and will face justice in due course. In any event, minors may not be held longer than 20 days, which exceeds most asylum detention time for adults.

Joan, it’s not a crime when the immigrant presents themselves to ICE and asks for asylum. At that point they are asylum seekers. You need to read the law.

[Jed_]

And more word salad from the wall of yellow.

[Athos_131]

Implore everyone to search for the video ProPublica today obtained and published -I won't post the link for underage content. 

If that doesn't have you complaining to your Member of Congress about this cruelty, your handle is probably joan1984 or bachman.

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[joan1984]

Just illuminating for those interested, Jed.

Ingest more Athos nonsense as you wish, or just not interested, so be it.

And more word salad from the wall of yellow.

[Athos_131]

Just illuminating for those interested, Jed.

Ingest more Athos nonsense as you wish, or just not interested, so be it.

And more word salad from the wall of yellow.

It's rattled when the canned responses stop.

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