Separating children from their parents

[Katiebee]

I would be pleased if Trump would stop being a jerk and learn to use expert staff. Very few other modern day presidents would have made the mis-step he made, and insisted that he was completely right.

He managed to get every major church, included those that normally support him, outraged and turn against him. Secretary Sessions was censured by the Methodist Church and basically told to stop quoting scriptiure to justify actions that were abhorrent to that church.

So, no, I see very little to be grateful for, other than so many just told the jackass we have as president to stop being such a moneumental dick.

[Sensualtravler]

The Trump regime is delighted by all the outrage.  They believe it plays to their base and they are digging in.  

I could be wrong, but it's my impression that Trump is doing it on purpose, deliberately stirring up outrage to garner support for "his" immigration reform package.

It’s a dual bone being thrown to his bigoted base.  It’s not only about their anti-immigration beliefs, there’s the racist component of it being an infestation of brown people.

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Your terminology describing those of Latino decent and, other than caucasion, says  lot to me about your mindset Jed. Democrats are  quick, without any type of evidence to back them, to term those who disagree with them bigots, racists, and any other derogatory names that comes to their deranged minds. Your use of infestation to describe a group of people tells us who the real bigots and racist really are.

[joan1984]

  Katiebee, other than your inability to accept that President Trump is our President, my comments were about what the title of this Thread states, and it seems KB's majority opinion is, or at least was, that families should be kept together. Are you pleased now, that families are being kept together?

  Or, are you just needing to vent about Hillary not being elected, and still rooting for our borders to be overrun by whoever may show up demanding entry.

Should entrants be identified at all?

Background checks for criminal history in their home country?

Background U.S. History checks for prior deportation or criminal history?

Checked for communicable disease?

Should Congress fund fully the necessary infrastructure/cost for Immigration?

What do you suggest be our procedure when a alien presents at the border?

How about when an alien crosses the U.S. Border illegally, not seeking asylum?

Is there any U.S. Immigration Law that meets with your approval?

[Athos_131]

without any type of evidence to back them

http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=54480.msg467275#msg467275

Go fuck yourself.

#Resist

[MissBarbara]

It’s a dual bone being thrown to his bigoted base.  It’s not only about their anti-immigration beliefs, there’s the racist component of it being an infestation of brown people.

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Your terminology describing those of Latino decent and, other than caucasion, says  lot to me about your mindset Jed. Democrats are  quick, without any type of evidence to back them, to term those who disagree with them bigots, racists, and any other derogatory names that comes to their deranged minds. Your use of infestation to describe a group of people tells us who the real bigots and racist really are.

Unfortunately, ST, you are likely the only person who read Jed's post who didn't realize he was using satire to make a point. His sarcasm was clear and obvious.

By accusing him of racism, you only make yourself look like a dullard...

[Lois]

 
Should entrants be identified at all?

Background checks for criminal history in their home country?

Background U.S. History checks for prior deportation or criminal history?

Checked for communicable disease?

Should Congress fund fully the necessary infrastructure/cost for Immigration?

What do you suggest be our procedure when a alien presents at the border?

How about when an alien crosses the U.S. Border illegally, not seeking asylum?

Is there any U.S. Immigration Law that meets with your approval?

This has never been the policy.  Arguing it is Trump or nothing is a false narrative.

[ChrisHailey]

Your use of infestation to describe a group of people tells us who the real bigots and racist really are.

It was Trump who used the word "infestation" to refer to migrants.

Jed was quoting him facetiously.

So, sit down and enjoy your big helping of crow. And be sure that every time you talk about Trump, you remember the words you just said to Jed. Thanks.

[ChrisHailey]

Was just trying to express pleasure that the issue has been settled. Families now will be kept together, as so many here endorse.

Wait, I thought you didn't think families should be kept together.

Which is it? You don't get to argue out of both sides of your butt.

Either this policy was the right thing to do, and Trump caved like the lily-liveried chickenshit we all know he is, or it was the wrong policy to begin with.

I await your clarification.




[NB for everyone else--I don't want to distract Joan from answering the above request for clarification, so don't read this Joan until you've answered that please--

Trump's executive order, like all his executive orders, is a piece of butt wipe. What he basically did, was order the DHS to violate a court order. That's ludicrous. It isn't worth the paper it's printed on. The courts will slap this shit down in a heartbeat.

Furthermore, children currently in detention will not be returned to their families. Their status is currently unknown.

The concentrations camps continue despite this ridiculous executive order, and once it's shot down in the courts, Trump will have to either change the underlying policy (which is inhumane and is what should have been ended with this EO), or he'll have to go back to the concentration camps. Anyone care to wager which one he'll do?]

[Jed_]

Your use of infestation to describe a group of people tells us who the real bigots and racist really are.

It was Trump who used the word "infestation" to refer to migrants.

Jed was quoting him facetiously.

So, sit down and enjoy your big helping of crow. And be sure that every time you talk about Trump, you remember the words you just said to Jed. Thanks.

Yeah, the dullard watches only Fox, and I doubt Fox had this offensive Trump tweet in their news.


https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1009071403918864385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fadministration%2F392977-trump-dems-want-illegal-immigrants-to-infest-our-country


Oh, and using big words like ‘facetiously’ is just going to further confuse him.

[Katiebee]

Joan, the reason I protest Trump so much is because he is POTUS, not because I don’t accept that he is.!

I have no problem accepting reality. I simply don’t like that we have a narcissistic, emotionally stunted, unfit, and incompetent person who wants to be just like his heroes, Putin and Kim Jung-Un.

[joan1984]

Thank you for the clarification, Katiebee. Only six more years, until we all see Donald J. Trump's successor. We will endure.

Joan, the reason I protest Trump so much is because he is POTUS, not because I don’t accept that he is.!

I have no problem accepting reality. I simply don’t like that we have a narcissistic, emotionally stunted, unfit, and incompetent person who wants to be just like his heroes, Putin and Kim Jung-Un.

[Katiebee]

6 more years will likely see an economic depression, the isolation of America in the world, the loss of leadership in Europe and Asia, basically the destructuon of America as a world power and leader.

Trump isn’t of the same caliber as previous presidents. He is woefully deficient in all areas.

Bush W. Was a better president and face it, a better man than Trump, in all aspects.

[Lois]

Sadly, the executive order that Trump signed does not address the 2,300 children already taken from their parents.  There is no plan at this point for reunification.  Clearly this is a problem because several detainees have already been deported without their children.

[joan1984]

  Good to hear about the timely deportations, and the paperwork will catch up as to Deportees awaiting minors to be deported. Great the process is working quickly. Thank you for the update.

[Lois]

Not really working timely.  They were deported because they were told if they agreed to deportation they would be reunited with their children.  This was a lie, and does nothing to address the reason they sought asylum in the first place.

The United States is behind much of the chaos currently occurring in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala (long history).  Perhaps we could help solve these problems and the people would not have to flee to preserve their lives and families?

We once had an office that processed asylum claims in El Salvador, but it was closed by the Trump administration.  Perhaps it could be reopened and we could open similar offices in Honduras and Guatemala.

[joan1984]

  Does the State Department have travel bans for Americans in Honduras and ElSalvador, or the other Central American Nations where those seeking asylum are claiming to be oppressed?

  What formal sanctions does the U.S. have on any Central American nation?
What known issues does our nation recognize that warrant refugee expectation from these nations?

  Does the United Nations now have blue helmet peacekeepers active in these Central American nations who are treating their citizens inhumanely? Are these nations barred from sending diplomats to the United States, or to the UN?

  Economic migrants have no entitlement to asylum here, and the vast majority of those currently breaking our immigration laws, crossing our border today and recently, fit this category.

  I have no objection to the Department of State handling applications for any travel visa, and using it's facilities in such nations to accept asylum application forms, collect and submit for review such data as is necessary for vetting of applicants.

  That would be called: following the law. We should not have 'recruiting' by Americans to encourage asylum claims, in any nation, certainly not sanctioned or paid for in any part by U.S. taxpayers. A blanket answer of NO should be our standard answer, whether in person at the border, or at an authorized place in other Nations, and it must be the extreme exception to that rule, any time Asylum is entertained.

[Athos_131]

#Resist

[Katiebee]

It appears that the Incompetents staffing the Trump administration didn’t understand the intricacies and obstacles that placing the children in the State child protective services would bring about. Once separated from their parents these children, some 2300 of them, immediately became Unaccompanied Minors. They are now looking at 2 to 4 years wait to appear before an immigration court.

Additionally, they are being placed under the jurisdiction of the States, and those laws are diverse, and will likely result in the parental rights being revoked for many of those children's parents. Many will likely not see their families again until they are adults.

This is the result of the law of unintended consequences. Brought on by the incompetencrnof the Trump administration that refuses to look reality in the eye, and is content with simplistic, jingoistic, dogma riddled solutions that only cause more problems.

[Lois]

@ Joan:

These are not economic migrants. These people are fleeing gang violence and death threats.

[joan1984]

So they seem to claim, however, it simply does not appear to be true. Economic migration, and illegal immigration to the United States are closely linked, which is why we have the number of people turned away each year at our Southern Border.

By the way, more Fake News, seems the Time cover depicting a crying 2 year old alien mom, which made the rounds last week, is a pic of a girl who was not ever separated from her Mother at all, AND the Father of this family reported his wife took the child without his permission at all. He wants his daughter to be returned to him, his country, and was pleased to see the family 'safe' in US custody. Seems the 24 hour news cycle once again finds Time Magazine out in the cold, way ahead of the truth, along with CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc.

@ Joan:

These are not economic migrants. These people are fleeing gang violence and death threats.