Ask a male a question.

[Remington555]

  I mean, you could just as easily feel the same thing with one of your male friends.

No.

By that I mean HELL NO!

Not the same thing at all...

[Katiebee]

It really is. An unwanted sexual touch is still an unwelcome sexual touch.

[Dirtymind]

So guys, what is it about feeling a female butt packed in tight jeans?  

There's nothing quite like grabbing a sexy firm woman's butt and making her whimper.

hahaha Johnny.   I can say with 100% certainty that I never whimpered.   It was more of a growl.   And I know you're too much of a gentleman to do that Johnny.

Grabbing without consent? Not even an option.

[Remington555]

It really is. An unwanted sexual touch is still an unwelcome sexual touch.

I agree with that 1000%. I think we're talking about different things here.

I was responding to MJ where she said I mean, you could just as easily feel the same thing with one of your male friends.

I took that to mean she was saying that touching another male would be no different than touching a female, because a human derriere is pretty much the same on both sexes. I apologize if I misinterpreted.

My personal belief is pretty simple. Everyone's personal space should be respected at all times, without regard to gender, age, ethnicity, religious beliefs, education, sexual orientation or which football team they root for. Period.

[psiberzerker]

Everyone's personal space should be respected at all times, without regard to gender, age, ethnicity, religious beliefs, education, sexual orientation or which football team they root for.

Yeah, i always had a problem with boy's grabass, and accusations of "Homo" sexuality in environments like the Football team.  I don't understand it, but there's a whole lot of sexual harassment-to-assault in that kind of environment.  So, i guess that's on topic.

Guys, what's up with that?  What exactly motivates some of you to slap each other's asses, and then call each other "Fag," and what if any connection does it have to Football?  I mean, I've seen my brother-in-law do this same shit with his Fantasy Football friends, and that's around nachos with a suitcase of Bud Light.  They don't do that any other time, if they're sitting around, drinking, and watching Basketball, there's no homo-sexual harassment/assaults.  It's weird.

[IdleBoast]

I can't answer from experience, never having been one of life's "jocks", but I can give an insight from a scientific point of view;

The kind of locker-room man-handling you refer to happens in many team sports and in the military. It is genuine male-bonding, and provides a border-line romantic link between closely-linked males who's lives (historically) depended on close support and teamwork (eg long-distance hunting parties, or raids on rival tribes).

It is believed [by some, speculating rarely loosely in light of lack of physical evidence] that this survival-enhancing bonding the origin of, or linked to, the origin of male homosexuality.  Whilst "full" homosexuality does not ensure the survival of that particular individual's genes, it does increase the chance of transmission of the closely-related genes of the extended family or tribe.

[MintJulie]

This stems from a conversation I overheard at another table when out at a burger place.

First of all, it's a burger bar.  That's their thing.  In fact, the name of it is Detroit Burger Bar.   The burgers are huge.  I don't order their regular hamburgers because they're huge and  I don't like opening my mouth so wide trying to fit the thing in.  At least not in public I never would.  I order ham and cheese sliders.  On to my question.....

Mark and I were having our drinks waiting for our food enjoying the music and watching a poker tournament on the television.   The table across the aisle from us had their food delivered.   A man and three boys, one being his son, the other two were friends of the boy.  The boys were in all in soccer uniform.  One of the boys begins to cut his hamburger in half.  The dad says, "Boys, a little fatherly advice for you.  Never cut a burger in half.  You look like a pussy doing that.  You hold the whole thing in your hands like a man."  

I'm thinking it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  When I asked Mark after leaving the restaurant, he said, "Never thought about it, but I've never cut a burger in half."

So, is that a man rule?

[Athos_131]

Back home we had a couple places that served 3/4 lb burgers.

You had to cut it in half or you couldn't pick the thing up, it was almost a foot in diameter.

#Resist

[wayne3218]

I’ve never had to cut a burger in half to eat it and I’ve never seen another man cut a burger in half to eat one.

From the net,
My bet is well over 80% of heterosexual men do not cut their burgers in half. The heterosexual men who do cut their burgers in half are likely all dainty queefs such as Donald Trump.

[Katiebee]

It seems extremely strange that you would not make it easier to eat. My father often cuts a chili burger in half if is not so sloppy as to require knife and fork.
Size and maneuverability is important. But I guess there are some out there who place machoness on inconsequential things.

For me, a man proves himself manly by how he behaves towards others, not how eats his hamburger.

A true expression of manliness was displayed by Arland William during the Washington DC 14th Street Bridge crash in the Potomac. He continually passed the helecopter lifeline to others in the water with him, even though he was the one who caught it several times. He was the only one of the survivors of the crash to die of drowning. He took care of others who were weaker, in more dire condition, before he looked to himself.

That is the measure of a man.

[e_monster]

True confession: I have never grabbed a woman's ass unless I was already in a consensual situation with her (either a full blown relationship or a one night stand).

I can truthfully say the same. I never groped or tried to kiss unbidden. Ever.
 
Forcing myself onto others just isn't in me.

[MissBarbara]

It seems extremely strange that you would not make it easier to eat. My father often cuts a chili burger in half if is not so sloppy as to require knife and fork.

Size and maneuverability is important. But I guess there are some out there who place machoness on inconsequential things.

For me, a man proves himself manly by how he behaves towards others, not how eats his hamburger.

I'd suspect that the majority of straight women would certainly agree that "size and maneuverability is important."

But that's a topic for another thread.

Meanwhile, among the list of things that I've never understood about men, probably the top item on the list is the seeming random definitions -- definitions that quickly become hard and fast rules -- of machoness and manliness. Real Men do this, and Real Men don't do that.

I try very hard not to judge or stereotype men, but refusing to do something as simple and practical as cutting your hamburger in half for ease of consumption because "Real Men Don't Do That" is as absurd as it is laughable.

[Jed_]

This stems from a conversation I overheard at another table when out at a burger place.

First of all, it's a burger bar.  That's their thing.  In fact, the name of it is Detroit Burger Bar.   The burgers are huge.  I don't order their regular hamburgers because they're huge and  I don't like opening my mouth so wide trying to fit the thing in.  At least not in public I never would.  I order ham and cheese sliders.  On to my question.....

Mark and I were having our drinks waiting for our food enjoying the music and watching a poker tournament on the television.   The table across the aisle from us had their food delivered.   A man and three boys, one being his son, the other two were friends of the boy.  The boys were in all in soccer uniform.  One of the boys begins to cut his hamburger in half.  The dad says, "Boys, a little fatherly advice for you.  Never cut a burger in half.  You look like a pussy doing that.  You hold the whole thing in your hands like a man."  

I'm thinking it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  When I asked Mark after leaving the restaurant, he said, "Never thought about it, but I've never cut a burger in half."

So, is that a man rule?

In a place like that I’d probably cut the burger in half to give half to my girlfriend (who I have never seen eat a burger).  Otherwise, I don’t recall cutting any sandwich in half for myself with a few exceptions (below).  And, I’m often annoyed when they come pre-cut, as cutting just seems to make it harder to keep things from falling out and making a mess.

I eat a burger probably around 5 to 10 times a year and often only a McDonald’s quarter pounder that I only get when I’m driving long distance as it can be eaten while driving.  I hate over portioned food, which is probably why the non-quarter pounder burgers I eat, I usually make myself.  When I see the huge size of most restaurant burgers, I’m not the least bit tempted to order one.

I do recall a couple times getting a messy chili burger as katiebee described, and then I had no problem using a knife and fork to eat it.  I tend to wear my food, so that’s a safe option.  My girlfriend watches me eat and constantly says she needs to get me a bib.

[Jed_]

Meanwhile, among the list of things that I've never understood about men, probably the top item on the list is the seeming random definitions -- definitions that quickly become hard and fast rules -- of machoness and manliness. Real Men do this, and Real Men don't do that.

I try very hard not to judge or stereotype men, but refusing to do something as simple and practical as cutting your hamburger in half for ease of consumption because "Real Men Don't Do That" is as absurd as it is laughable.

I eat quiche and have never noticed a drop in my testosterone.

[e_monster]

I try very hard not to judge or stereotype men, but refusing to do something as simple and practical as cutting your hamburger in half for ease of consumption because "Real Men Don't Do That" is as absurd as it is laughable.

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I'd posit real men (whatever that means) should decide for themselves how to proceed rather than rely on externally coerced stereotypes. 

[psiberzerker]

The dad says, "Boys, a little fatherly advice for you.  Never cut a burger in half.  You look like a pussy doing that.  You hold the whole thing in your hands like a man."

Well, I can feild this one, but first let me get #NotAllMen out of the way.  ^There's your answer.  We get taught these things by men, as boys.  I did, because I was misdiagnosed as male at birth, so I grew up in the locker room, and so forth.  My father didn't teach me this Burger Rule, but I heard it.  

That's how it gets around, you grow up around other boys, who pass on this Power Assertive (That's basically the set of behaviour we're talking about) advice from.  It's distaff counterpart is "Smile, you're never going to get any attention from boys walking around with a sourpuss all the time.  You know, you'd be so much prettier if you smiled more?"

Real men drive muscle cars, that's how you pick up chix, and for the love of God never cut your burger in half like a pussy.  Swallow it hole, like a man.  We even have a topic here, of Advice for My Boys.  It's almost as if boys don't have any more choice in what sexist stereotypical behaviors they're allowed to do than girls are.

[e_monster]

   It's almost as if boys don't have any more choice in what sexist stereotypical behaviors they're allowed to do than girls are.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Men are every bit as locked into fixed gender roles as women are and are subject to just as must ridicule and ostracism for daring to violate them.

Believe me, I know.

[Athos_131]

Real men have appropriate table manners.

At least I do, lest my grandmother admonish me from beyond the grave.

#Resist

[_priapism]

   It's almost as if boys don't have any more choice in what sexist stereotypical behaviors they're allowed to do than girls are.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Men are every bit as locked into fixed gender roles as women are and are subject to just as must ridicule and ostracism for daring to violate them.

Believe me, I know.

“Advice for my boys” is about gentlemanly behavior and saviore faire.  It’s not about truck mudding and cutting your burger in half.  Don’t fold my thread into this one.

[psiberzerker]

“Advice for my boys” is about gentlemanly behavior and saviore faire.  It’s not about truck mudding and cutting your burger in half.  Don’t fold my thread into this one.

First of all, your thread?  The thread you didn't even contribute to until 12 pages, and 3 YEARS after it was going just fine without you, that thread?  Being the last one to post in it doesn't make this my thread, man.

Secondly, you know what a man does standing up, a woman does sitting down, and a dog on 3 legs?

Shake hands.  Chivalry is endangered, and society as a whole will be better when  it's finally extinct.  Having 1 different sets of rules for men, and women?

The word for that is Sexism.