Fuck you GOP, and your child raping Senate candidate, Judge Roy Moore

[Athos_131]

Please do not attempt to decide what I have a right to comment about, or not, and give me instructions about what I must do to earn any rights. Thank you.

You admit to enabling child rape, I see.

#Resist

[joan1984]

  My hope is that Alabama retains a Senator who represents their values, to include their trust of a conservative evaluation of how to best utilize a vote in his Constituents best interests. Such a person will be one who respects human life, from conception forward, votes to limit abortion, and votes to limit all Democrat leftists, and Republican leftist proposals, for the betterment of all.

[_priapism]

  My hope is that Alabama retains a Senator who represents their values, to include their trust of a conservative evaluation of how to best utilize a vote in his Constituents best interests. Such a person will be one who respects human life, from conception forward, votes to limit abortion, and votes to limit all Democrat leftists, and Republican leftist proposals, for the betterment of all.

And rapes children... 

[Katiebee]

  My hope is that Alabama retains a Senator who represents their values, to include their trust of a conservative evaluation of how to best utilize a vote in his Constituents best interests. Such a person will be one who respects human life, from conception forward, votes to limit abortion, and votes to limit all Democrat leftists, and Republican leftist proposals, for the betterment of all.

Basically an authoritarian.

[Lois]

It was 'too much' for his victim, and we have her word on that. Another woman tells about how he groped her ass while he was an Democrat Senator. That, too, according to the victim, was 'too much' for her at the time, and now.

Please do not attempt to decide what I have a right to comment about, or not, and give me instructions about what I must do to earn any rights. Thank you.

I've done some pretty intense rehearsal kissing, and I hate kissing!

Oh, and when will Trump and Moore apologize for their sexual assaults?  Until they do, or you condemn them as harshly as Franken, you've go no business saying anything.

Wrong is wrong.  It's wrong for Franken to non-consensually grab an ass, and it's also wrong for Moore to sexually assault children and for Trump to grab pussies.

But that's not what you are saying is it?  In your mind, it's only bad when a Democrat does it.

But there's a big difference in my mind with these stories.  Trump bragged about his sexual assaults, and we have the tape to prove it.  Moore targeted under-aged girls, and he knew it was wrong because he threatened them with "the no one will believe you" B.S. to keep them quiet about it.

This latest story about Franken being a bit too familiar with a girl's rump was done in front of other people during a photo shoot. So clearly he was not trying to hide anything. You only try to hide stuff you think will get you in trouble.  So Franken is a more believable when he says he does not remember the incident the same way.

And again, he has apologized for causing the woman grief.  So where are the apologies from Moore and Trump to the women and girls they have wronged?

IMO, an apology to those you have wronged is the first step to admitting your behavior was wrong and indicating that you will not repeat it.

[DrRick947]

May I offer some thoughts on Roy Moore and his suitability to serve in the Senate?

I believe the allegations against Roy Moore.  The women’s descriptions of Moore’s actions are completely credible; his denials are not at all credible.

Could all this be the work of his political opponents?  I doubt it.  For instance, the 14-year-old said he took her to his place in the woods, stripped her down to her underwear, and fondled her outside her underwear.  She protested, he backed off, they both got dressed, and he took her home.

Bypassing for a moment the issue of sexual battery of a child (!), that story is completely believable.  A political enemy (I’m thinking of someone like a Lee Atwater) would not have stopped there; he would have made the story much more salacious.

Then there is the issue of sexual battery of a child, a charge on which Moore could have been convicted easily.  Had that happened, he would be facing the Parole Board, and not the Alabama electorate, right about now.

Significantly, his accusers did not know each other and they did not come out on their own to tell their stories.  The Washington Post found them and convinced them to go public.  The accusers had nothing to gain and much to lose by telling their stories, which are remarkably similar.

A concern I have is that the media have focused a lot on the more prurient parts of the story but have largely overlooked several more substantive and pertinent issues.

For example, Moore met the 14-year-old in the courthouse when he was an assistant D.A.  He told the girl’s mom he would look after her while the mom was in a custody hearing.  But he betrayed that trust when he asked the girl for her phone number and then met her secretly some time later.

He signed a high school girl’s yearbook, called her beautiful, and then signed his name as a “D.A.”  I think that’s the same girl he later assaulted when he got her alone in his car.  To me, all that is an abuse of his official position.

And he had a high school girl called out of math class so he could ask her out on a date.  If you were the principal, what would you do if a caller said, “This is Attorney Moore of the District Attorney’s office.  I need to speak to So-and-So”?  I think you would go get that person and bring her to the phone pronto.  That’s a clear abuse of position and a betrayal of trust.

That pattern of abuse of position and betrayal of trust is seen again in his collecting an undisclosed salary from his non-profit foundation. The foundation is supposed to be doing the Lord’s work but it looks like one of the Lord’s main jobs is to keep Roy Moore in the style to which he has become accustomed.

Then there is the Ten Commandments matter, for which Moore was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court. Whether he likes it or not, the U.S. and Alabama Constitutions are the controlling documents of Moore’s professional life.  If he wants to make the Ten Commandments the controlling documents of his personal life, that’s up to him.  He may want to give the Scout Law a try, too.

But what about the tenth Commandment?  It tells us not to covet our neighbor’s wife, house, manservant, maidservant, ox, ass, or anything else the neighbor owns.  But Moore seems to have found a loophole in the Tenth Commandment.

As a conservative, Moore would be a strict constructionist on this Commandment: anything not specifically enumerated and prohibited in the “no-covet clause” would be fair game. 

So coveting your neighbor’s ass is out, but it doesn’t say anything about his teenage daughter’s ass.  And if thy neighbor claims that ass belongs to him, well, we know what’s going on in that household.

I don’t have much a problem with Moore’s wanting to date younger women (heck, my own two sets of grandparents were 14 and 8 years apart when they were married in rural PA, but that was more than 110 years ago) although a lot of space has been given to that aspect of the story.

But I do have a problem with Moore’s pattern of abuse of position, betrayal of trust, failure to fully disclose pertinent information, and failure to acknowledge and respect the primacy of the U.S. and Alabama Constitutions.

Oh yeah, and his sexual battery of a child. 

[joan1984]

  I suggest, Lois, that you follow your heart, your opinion, and withhold your vote for Judge Moore, as well as your vote for Sen. Al Frankin. Oh, and as well your backing of Charlie Rose, and the dozens, seems, of media people who are caught up in this moral situation.

  The people of Alabama will vote for the representation they want, the ability they wish, when they elect their Senator soon. If they want a leftist Democrat, they will vote for one, and if they do not allow their vote to be stolen by the cads who released claims (no charges, remember) which cannot be defended until they reach a court of law, then they will vote for a conservative for the office of Senator of the United States.

  It is their choice, leftist or not, for a key political office in their State.

[Athos_131]

  I suggest, Lois, that you follow your heart, your opinion, and withhold your vote for Judge Moore, as well as your vote for Sen. Al Frankin. Oh, and as well your backing of Charlie Rose, and the dozens, seems, of media people who are caught up in this moral situation.

Whataboutism seems to be running rampant these days.

Stop trying to derail the thread by deflecting from the issue of child rapists and your enabling of them.

#Resist

[Katiebee]

Joan, your defense of Moore boils down to, conservatives can do what they want.

Which puts them solidly in the same league as Stalin and the Nazis.

So, without any other guiding principles I guess that makes your political philosophy exactly the opposite of what you constantly trumpet.

It is so sad to see someone so ethically, morally, and politically bankrupt.

[Athos_131]

So, without any other guiding principles I guess that makes your political philosophy exactly the opposite of what you constantly trumpet.

Every village needs a hypocrite, especially an unethical one.

#Resist

[Lois]

Joan is right in that the people of Alabama will elect who they choose.  Their choice is between a child molester and a conservative Democrat.  If they elect the first one, he may be sent to prison before taking office.  I hope he goes to prison regardless of if he wins or not.  That is where he belongs.

Are you proud to support a child molester Joan?  Are you proud to support a pussy grabber? Ah, but the ends justify the means, right Joan, even if it leads you into the gutter.  You, and every supporter of these two creeps has slime dripping from every orifice.

[Athos_131]

Are you proud to support a child molester Joan?  Are you proud to support a pussy grabber?

I'm fairly certain he is.

#Resist

[Northwest]

May I offer some thoughts on Roy Moore and his suitability to serve in the Senate?

I believe the allegations against Roy Moore.  The women’s descriptions of Moore’s actions are completely credible; his denials are not at all credible.

Could all this be the work of his political opponents?  I doubt it.  For instance, the 14-year-old said he took her to his place in the woods, stripped her down to her underwear, and fondled her outside her underwear.  She protested, he backed off, they both got dressed, and he took her home.

Bypassing for a moment the issue of sexual battery of a child (!), that story is completely believable.  A political enemy (I’m thinking of someone like a Lee Atwater) would not have stopped there; he would have made the story much more salacious.

Then there is the issue of sexual battery of a child, a charge on which Moore could have been convicted easily.  Had that happened, he would be facing the Parole Board, and not the Alabama electorate, right about now.

Significantly, his accusers did not know each other and they did not come out on their own to tell their stories.  The Washington Post found them and convinced them to go public.  The accusers had nothing to gain and much to lose by telling their stories, which are remarkably similar.

A concern I have is that the media have focused a lot on the more prurient parts of the story but have largely overlooked several more substantive and pertinent issues.

For example, Moore met the 14-year-old in the courthouse when he was an assistant D.A.  He told the girl’s mom he would look after her while the mom was in a custody hearing.  But he betrayed that trust when he asked the girl for her phone number and then met her secretly some time later.

He signed a high school girl’s yearbook, called her beautiful, and then signed his name as a “D.A.”  I think that’s the same girl he later assaulted when he got her alone in his car.  To me, all that is an abuse of his official position.

And he had a high school girl called out of math class so he could ask her out on a date.  If you were the principal, what would you do if a caller said, “This is Attorney Moore of the District Attorney’s office.  I need to speak to So-and-So”?  I think you would go get that person and bring her to the phone pronto.  That’s a clear abuse of position and a betrayal of trust.

That pattern of abuse of position and betrayal of trust is seen again in his collecting an undisclosed salary from his non-profit foundation. The foundation is supposed to be doing the Lord’s work but it looks like one of the Lord’s main jobs is to keep Roy Moore in the style to which he has become accustomed.

Then there is the Ten Commandments matter, for which Moore was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court. Whether he likes it or not, the U.S. and Alabama Constitutions are the controlling documents of Moore’s professional life.  If he wants to make the Ten Commandments the controlling documents of his personal life, that’s up to him.  He may want to give the Scout Law a try, too.

But what about the tenth Commandment?  It tells us not to covet our neighbor’s wife, house, manservant, maidservant, ox, ass, or anything else the neighbor owns.  But Moore seems to have found a loophole in the Tenth Commandment.

As a conservative, Moore would be a strict constructionist on this Commandment: anything not specifically enumerated and prohibited in the “no-covet clause” would be fair game. 

So coveting your neighbor’s ass is out, but it doesn’t say anything about his teenage daughter’s ass.  And if thy neighbor claims that ass belongs to him, well, we know what’s going on in that household.

I don’t have much a problem with Moore’s wanting to date younger women (heck, my own two sets of grandparents were 14 and 8 years apart when they were married in rural PA, but that was more than 110 years ago) although a lot of space has been given to that aspect of the story.

But I do have a problem with Moore’s pattern of abuse of position, betrayal of trust, failure to fully disclose pertinent information, and failure to acknowledge and respect the primacy of the U.S. and Alabama Constitutions.

Oh yeah, and his sexual battery of a child. 

Very well reasoned and well written, DrRick947.

[Northwest]

Joan is right in that the people of Alabama will elect who they choose.  Their choice is between a child molester and a conservative Democrat.  If they elect the first one, he may be sent to prison before taking office.  I hope he goes to prison regardless of if he wins or not.  That is where he belongs.

Are you proud to support a child molester Joan?  Are you proud to support a pussy grabber? Ah, but the ends justify the means, right Joan, even if it leads you into the gutter.  You, and every supporter of these two creeps has slime dripping from every orifice.

Yup, yup, yup.

Joan, you should have stayed away from this topic and off of this thread (IMHO). It costs you to expose your lack of honest moral grounding, but you gain nothing from shoring up Moore since you can't affect the outcome.

[Lois]

Joan/Joe reminds me of the old Stalinists.  Stalin said support Hitler, and all Communist Party members supported Hitler.  Then Stalin said: "Hitler is bad, he betrayed our Alliance!" And all the Communist Party faithful turned against Hitler and began to support the war effort against the Axis powers.  Only Joan/Joe's master is Breitbart News.  Same story, different master.

[DrRick947]

Very well reasoned and well written, DrRick947.

Thanks for the kind words, Northwest.  A lot of people, including those in the media, got caught up in the sexual aspects of the Roy Moore saga – especially after the first girl to come out was 14 years old at the time.  Eight more girls emerged with their own stories but those were – with a few exceptions – mostly just stories of a run-in with a creep.

I’ve been interested in some of the reasons people continue to support Moore, like, “He may be a child molester but at least he’s not a Democrat.” And, “It’s easy to make a mistake. A lot of 14-year-olds look like they’re 20.”  Except we also saw the girl’s picture as a 14-year-old and she looked nowhere close to 20.

And, “She may have been 14, but there was only one like that.  All the others were over 16.”  Jesus Christ!  There was only one?  What, do we all get one free pass for child molestation these days?!

My personal opinion, which no one has asked for or much cares about, is that the 14-year-old didn’t tell quite the whole story.  She told as much as she was comfortable telling, and that’s fine.  But I doubt that Moore had her down to her skivvies, she called a halt to it, and then they both got dressed and he took her home.  It would not surprise me if the truth was that Moore went much farther with her, and did so against her wishes.  But that’s just my guesswork.

Anyway, I tried to step back from all the individual stories and ask myself, “Considered broadly, what do we see here?  What patterns of conduct emerge?”  That look included the women’s stories, plus the deception about the Foundation for Moral Law, plus the reasons he was bounced from the bench.

And the pattern that emerged (to me) was that this is a guy who is more than willing to use his position of public trust to get what he wants for himself personally – whether it be sexual gratification, financial gain, political advantage, or the proceeds of grift.  It looks to me like Roy Moore's main interest is Roy Moore, with God and the public tied for a distant second.

Now, God knows that none of these qualities is a bar to public service.  We’ve had child molesters (Dennis Hastert), perverts (Mark Foley, David Vitter), fraudsters (Donald Trump), grifters (Sarah Palin), bribe recipients (William Jefferson), fake Christians (Mike Huckabee) and various other swindlers, rogues, and bad actors (Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani) in elective office before and we will again.

The difference is that we know all that about Roy Moore right now, before the election.  So if the people of Alabama elect him anyway, that’s tantamount to saying that nothing in anybody’s background matters, as long as he is a member of the tribe.  Good grief, doesn’t the tribe have any standards for its members?  It makes me feel like Grouch Marx: “I wouldn’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.”

So now I dismount from my soapbox and say once again, “Thanks for the kind words.”

~Rick

[joan1984]

Dr. Rick, best to do is move to Alabama, and cast your vote.

[Athos_131]

Dr. Rick, best to do is move to Alabama, and cast your vote.

You're just a horrible person.

#Resist

[_priapism]

The difference is that we know all that about Roy Moore right now, before the election.  So if the people of Alabama elect him anyway, that’s tantamount to saying that nothing in anybody’s background matters, as long as he is a member of the tribe.  

And I think that is what it finally comes down to.  We have no values.  We have no standards.  We don’t give a shit about anyone or anything but ourselves.

We knew all that about Trump.  He didn’t win the popular vote, but he won the election.

We will get the government we deserve, and apparently we deserve a bunch of lying sacks of shit.

[joan1984]

Dr. Rick, best to do is move to Alabama, and cast your vote.

You're just a horrible person.

#Resist

Check yourself in a mirror, cowboy.