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on: October 24, 2017, 10:42:14 PM
  Jeff Flake has seen the handwriting on the wall. His left leaning 'stands' during the past six years have caused his main donor base to erode. Facing and losing a Republican Primary, trying to argue his record, rather than his former election promises, is too large a burden to bear.

  Unfortunately he is not resigning his Senate seat today, which would have been a bold move, but rather will seek ways to pocket what he can prior to leaving the Senate. I presume he has a good job offer as a lobbyist for some group or other, which gives him the green light to stuff his pockets now, cover his tracks where he can, and vote counter to his election promises from now on.

  Lois' favorite Republican, unless one counts the remaining AZ Senator, who will find some way to disrupt and take credit as well during this Senate term.
McConnell and McCain both speak well of Jeff Flake, which says it all.

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Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 10:45:40 PM
He's losing in the polls currently to a Democrat.

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Reply #2 on: October 24, 2017, 11:40:13 PM

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Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 12:16:55 AM
Unfortunately he is not resigning his Senate seat today, which would have been a bold move, but rather will seek ways to pocket what he can prior to leaving the Senate.

Yeah, hey, good luck with the 'Tax Giveaway to the Wealthy' plan which Trump has staked his political future on passing. Just the number of Republican Senators Trump has entered into blood feuds with over the last two weeks (Flake, McCain, Corker) are enough to tube any hopes of passage -- and that's BEFORE Trump follows up on his threat to "get even with" McCain. Rand Paul says "No way, Jose." so I think The Orange One is looking at heading into the mid-terms with nothing but a bunch of red hats he can't give away any more, and ZERO legislative accomplishments.

Oh...except for Joan. She'll take more hats.



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Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 12:27:32 AM

Oh...except for Joan. She'll take more hats.

This hat?



Or this hat?



Or do you mean this hat?



So many hats, so little time.

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Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 12:51:31 AM
It is the Senators, and Representatives, who run, and have run their election campaigns on just a few promises, to cut taxes, and to eliminate obamacare.

The President ran on the same issues, but they are not off the hook with their own constituents, who generally agree with the President, and who demanded and expected some basic Republican support for their traditional and their expressed issues. Lacking such support puts these clowns at odds with their own constituents.

President Trump is not up for election in November 2018, and now Senator Corker is flushed out, as is Senator Flake flushed out, without the ability, the cover, of having Washington just shut up about their records, and so each must stop their future with the Senate.  Each is now trying to make his case with the media and establishment lobbying firms, with only their own future in mind. They will sell out their constituents as they usually do, with some spot lights illuminating their actions.

Freshly elected Republican conservatives from AZ and TN will fit in well for the second half of President Trump's First Term, and through his Second Term, and they may get the opportunity to help Make American Great Again along the way.


Unfortunately he is not resigning his Senate seat today, which would have been a bold move, but rather will seek ways to pocket what he can prior to leaving the Senate.

Yeah, hey, good luck with the 'Tax Giveaway to the Wealthy' plan which Trump has staked his political future on passing. Just the number of Republican Senators Trump has entered into blood feuds with over the last two weeks (Flake, McCain, Corker) are enough to tube any hopes of passage -- and that's BEFORE Trump follows up on his threat to "get even with" McCain. Rand Paul says "No way, Jose." so I think The Orange One is looking at heading into the mid-terms with nothing but a bunch of red hats he can't give away any more, and ZERO legislative accomplishments.

Oh...except for Joan. She'll take more hats.

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Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 12:57:02 AM
 Jeff Flake has seen the handwriting on the wall. His left leaning 'stands' during the past six years have caused his main donor base to erode. Facing and losing a Republican Primary, trying to argue his record, rather than his former election promises, is too large a burden to bear.

  Unfortunately he is not resigning his Senate seat today, which would have been a bold move, but rather will seek ways to pocket what he can prior to leaving the Senate. I presume he has a good job offer as a lobbyist for some group or other, which gives him the green light to stuff his pockets now, cover his tracks where he can, and vote counter to his election promises from now on.

  Lois' favorite Republican, unless one counts the remaining AZ Senator, who will find some way to disrupt and take credit as well during this Senate term.
McConnell and McCain both speak well of Jeff Flake, which says it all.


LOL!  Flake is a classic conservative along the lines of Goldwater: an extreme right winger.  What I like about him is he has principles unlike Trump and his cronies.  I might not like his politics, but I respect him as a human.

He may loose the in the primaries to Kelli Ward, who voted to fund research on "Chem Trails" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Yeah, if Flake looses the in the primary a Democrat wins for sure.



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Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 01:11:25 AM
It is the Senators, and Representatives, who run, and have run their election campaigns on just a few promises, to cut taxes, and to eliminate obamacare.

Joan, do you ever read your writing back before you hit post? That's not even a sentence, and even the NSA computers couldn't break the code, or translate it to tell you what the hell it means.




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Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 01:14:57 AM
It is the Senators, and Representatives, who run, and have run their election campaigns on just a few promises, to cut taxes, and to eliminate obamacare.

Joan, do you ever read your writing back before you hit post? That's not even a sentence, and even the NSA computers couldn't break the code, or translate it to tell you what the hell it means.

I thought it was simply a sign of raving lunaticism.



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Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 03:35:01 AM
He's losing in the polls currently to a Democrat.

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And we all know how reliable polls are. Just ask Hillary.  ;D No problem though. Eliminate the Rhinos.

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Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 03:45:55 AM
He's losing in the polls currently to a Democrat.

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And we all know how reliable polls are. Just ask Hillary.  ;D No problem though. Eliminate the Rhinos.

Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona will retire, citing direction of GOP under Trump

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Recent polls in Arizona found Flake trailing the Democrat’s likely Senate nominee, Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), as well as potential primary challengers if he sought a second term next year.

Do you have a credible, verifiable source that disproves this?

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Reply #11 on: October 25, 2017, 04:38:19 AM
The following is from:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2017/10/24/sen-jeff-flake-senate-speech-full-text/794958001/

The following is the text of Sen. Jeff Flake's remarks from the floor of the U.S. Senate on Oct. 24, 2017, as prepared for delivery. Ronald J. Hansen, political reporter for The Republic and azcentral, annotates the speech here. Click on yellow highlighted text to learn more.

Mr. President, I rise today to address a matter that has been much on my mind, at a moment when it seems that our democracy is more defined by our discord and our dysfunction than it is by our values and our principles. Let me begin by noting a somewhat obvious point that these offices that we hold are not ours to hold indefinitely.  We are not here simply to mark time. Sustained incumbency is certainly not the point of seeking office. And there are times when we must risk our careers in favor of our principles.

Now is such a time. 

It must also be said that I rise today with no small measure of regret. Regret, because of the state of our disunion, regret because of the disrepair and destructiveness of our politics, regret because of the indecency of our discourse, regret because of the coarseness of our leadership, regret for the compromise of our moral authority, and by our — all of our — complicity in this alarming and dangerous state of affairs. It is time for our complicity and our accommodation of the unacceptable to end.

In this century, a new phrase has entered the language to describe the accommodation of a new and undesirable order — that phrase being “the new normal.” But we must never adjust to the present coarseness of our national dialogue — with the tone set at the top.

We must never regard as “normal” the regular and casual undermining of our democratic norms and ideals. We must never meekly accept the daily sundering of our country — the personal attacks, the threats against principles, freedoms, and institutions; the flagrant disregard for truth or decency, the reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons, reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the fortunes of the people that we have all been elected to serve.

None of these appalling features of our current politics should ever be regarded as normal. We must never allow ourselves to lapse into thinking that this is just the way things are now. If we simply become inured to this condition, thinking that this is just politics as usual, then heaven help us. Without fear of the consequences, and without consideration of the rules of what is politically safe or palatable, we must stop pretending that the degradation of our politics and the conduct of some in our executive branch are normal. They are not normal.

Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused and countenanced as “telling it like it is,” when it is actually just reckless, outrageous, and undignified.

And when such behavior emanates from the top of our government, it is something else: It is dangerous to a democracy. Such behavior does not project strength — because our strength comes from our values. It instead projects a corruption of the spirit, and weakness.

It is often said that children are watching. Well, they are. And what are we going to do about that? When the next generation asks us, Why didn’t you do something? Why didn’t you speak up? — what are we going to say?

Mr. President, I rise today to say: Enough. We must dedicate ourselves to making sure that the anomalous never becomes normal. With respect and humility, I must say that we have fooled ourselves for long enough that a pivot to governing is right around the corner, a return to civility and stability right behind it. We know better than that. By now, we all know better than that.

Here, today, I stand to say that we would better serve the country and better fulfill our obligations under the constitution by adhering to our Article 1 “old normal” — Mr. Madison’s doctrine of the separation of powers. This genius innovation which affirms Madison’s status as a true visionary and for which Madison argued in Federalist 51 — held that the equal branches of our government would balance and counteract each other when necessary. “Ambition counteracts ambition,” he wrote.

But what happens if ambition fails to counteract ambition? What happens if stability fails to assert itself in the face of chaos and instability? If decency fails to call out indecency? Were the shoe on the other foot, would we Republicans meekly accept such behavior on display from dominant Democrats? Of course not, and we would be wrong if we did.

When we remain silent and fail to act when we know that that silence and inaction is the wrong thing to do — because of political considerations, because we might make enemies, because we might alienate the base, because we might provoke a primary challenge, because ad infinitum, ad nauseum — when we succumb to those considerations in spite of what should be greater considerations and imperatives in defense of the institutions of our liberty, then we dishonor our principles and forsake our obligations. Those things are far more important than politics.

Now, I am aware that more politically savvy people than I caution against such talk. I am aware that a segment of my party believes that anything short of complete and unquestioning loyalty to a president who belongs to my party is unacceptable and suspect.

If I have been critical, it is not because I relish criticizing the behavior of the president of the United States. If I have been critical, it is because I believe that it is my obligation to do so, as a matter of duty and conscience. The notion that one should stay silent as the norms and values that keep America strong are undermined and as the alliances and agreements that ensure the stability of the entire world are routinely threatened by the level of thought that goes into 140 characters — the notion that one should say and do nothing in the face of such mercurial behavior is ahistoric and, I believe, profoundly misguided.

A Republican president named Roosevelt had this to say about the president and a citizen’s relationship to the office:

“The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore, it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile.” President Roosevelt continued: “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

Acting on conscience and principle is the manner in which we express our moral selves, and as such, loyalty to conscience and principle should supersede loyalty to any man or party. We can all be forgiven for failing in that measure from time to time. I certainly put myself at the top of the list of those who fall short in that regard. I am holier-than-none. But too often, we rush not to salvage principle but to forgive and excuse our failures so that we might accommodate them and go right on failing — until the accommodation itself becomes our principle.

In that way and over time, we can justify almost any behavior and sacrifice almost any principle. I’m afraid that is where we now find ourselves.

When a leader correctly identifies real hurt and insecurity in our country and instead of addressing it goes looking for somebody to blame, there is perhaps nothing more devastating to a pluralistic society. Leadership knows that most often a good place to start in assigning blame is to first look somewhat closer to home. Leadership knows where the buck stops. Humility helps. Character counts. Leadership does not knowingly encourage or feed ugly and debased appetites in us.

Leadership lives by the American creed: E Pluribus Unum. From many, one. American leadership looks to the world, and just as Lincoln did, sees the family of man. Humanity is not a zero-sum game. When we have been at our most prosperous, we have also been at our most principled. And when we do well, the rest of the world also does well.

These articles of civic faith have been central to the American identity for as long as we have all been alive. They are our birthright and our obligation. We must guard them jealously, and pass them on for as long as the calendar has days. To betray them or to be unserious in their defense is a betrayal of the fundamental obligations of American leadership. And to behave as if they don’t matter is simply not who we are.

Now, the efficacy of American leadership around the globe has come into question. When the United States emerged from World War II we contributed about half of the world’s economic activity. It would have been easy to secure our dominance, keeping the countries that had been defeated or greatly weakened during the war in their place.  We didn’t do that. It would have been easy to focus inward. We resisted those impulses. Instead, we financed reconstruction of shattered countries and created international organizations and institutions that have helped provide security and foster prosperity around the world for more than 70 years.

Now, it seems that we, the architects of this visionary rules-based world order that has brought so much freedom and prosperity, are the ones most eager to abandon it.

The implications of this abandonment are profound. And the beneficiaries of this rather radical departure in the American approach to the world are the ideological enemies of our values. Despotism loves a vacuum. And our allies are now looking elsewhere for leadership. Why are they doing this? None of this is normal. And what do we as United States Senators have to say about it?

The principles that underlie our politics, the values of our founding, are too vital to our identity and to our survival to allow them to be compromised by the requirements of politics. Because politics can make us silent when we should speak, and silence can equal complicity.

I have children and grandchildren to answer to, and so, Mr. President, I will not be complicit.

I have decided that I will be better able to represent the people of Arizona and to better serve my country and my conscience by freeing myself from the political considerations that consume far too much bandwidth and would cause me to compromise far too many principles.

To that end, I am announcing today that my service in the Senate will conclude at the end of my term in early January 2019.




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Reply #12 on: October 26, 2017, 04:05:39 PM
What is wrong with being a Moderate?  What this country needs more of are politicians who can actually put aside partisan politics and work across the aisle and maybe enact legislation for the entire country and not just for certain segments.  Bannon, Trump, et al continue to divide the country. The Dems are not innocent either.

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Reply #13 on: October 26, 2017, 04:50:10 PM
I say there is nothing wrong with anyone's politics so long as they keep first in mind that their job comes first and that means compromise to get things done.  It also means being principled and honest.



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Reply #14 on: October 26, 2017, 05:06:41 PM

What is wrong with being a Moderate?  What this country needs more of are politicians who can actually put aside partisan politics and work across the aisle and maybe enact legislation for the entire country and not just for certain segments.  Bannon, Trump, et al continue to divide the country. The Dems are not innocent either.


I couldn't agree more!

I've long considered myself to be a Moderate. Though I end up voting for, and supporting, more Democrats than Republicans, I enter the voting booth every time I vote having done my research with an open mind.

Yet, as Lois points out, you CAN be a faithful Democrat or Republican and still be willing to compromise and reach across the aisle to develop and pass legislation that is for the best benefit of the country and its citizens.

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Reply #15 on: April 05, 2019, 05:53:05 AM
Flake opens up about threats against him and his family

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Former Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) said there are "several" threats made against him and his family from Trump supporters being investigated because of his criticisms of the president.

An unidentified man carrying a rifle scope had gone to three different Arizona locations associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in an attempt to find him, Flake told The Guardian in an interview released Wednesday.

“It was a man living out of his car. He told someone he had just attended a Trump rally,” Flake, a devout Mormon, told the outlet. He noted that the man arrived at another event two weeks ago.

The Mesa Police Department confirmed to the outlet the they were assisting Flake and his investigation during an investigation.

The Hill has reached out to U.S. Capitol police for comment.

The former senator also acknowledged that he was the previously unidentified senator who was sent a threatening voicemail following the contentious hearings for Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh following sexual assault allegations in 2018.

James Dean Blevins Jr., from Chicago pleaded guilty last month to a federal retaliation charge over the voicemail, which Flake said came after he called for a delayed vote for the FBI to investigate the claims.

“I am tired of him interrupting our president, and I am coming down there to take him and his family out,” the voicemail reportedly said.

Flake told the outlet that there are “several threats” against him, including ones that listed his children, their address and included “links to beheading videos.”

The Arizona Republican announced in 2017 that he would not run for another term in office.

Flake told The Guardian that he would have liked to have stayed in the Senate for one more term.

 “But it's been at a heavy cost to my family. The sacrifices they’ve been [made to make], what they had to endure …” Flake said.

These are the sort of people the OP empowers.  I am sure the OP is proud of that.

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