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Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 07:01:01 AM
President Trump is not a Racist.

President Trump is not a racist.

What did you expect from Trump?

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Plainly, the New York education system, Fordham University and Wharton School of Business have failed Trump, promoting him without ensuring that he possessed basic reasoning skills and a grasp of American history. But in these institutions’ defense, he is unteachable, we have learned.

Republicans such as Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) and House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) re-upped their condemnation, but mere words fall on deaf ears. Unless and until Republicans are willing to censure the president, withhold endorsement for a second term and vigorously pursue avenues for impeachment, they are wasting their breath and our time.

How bad was his press conference? Well, when you lose Fox News you might as well throw in the towel. (Fox News’s Kat Timpf declared, “It’s honestly crazy for me to have to comment on this right now because I’m still in the phase where I’m wondering if it was actually real life what I just watched. It was one of the biggest messes that I’ve ever seen. I can’t believe it happened. . . . It shouldn’t be some kind of bold statement to say, ‘Yes, a gathering full of white supremacist Nazis doesn’t have good people in it. Those are all bad people, period.’”

We  should be clear on several points. First, it is morally reprehensible to serve in this White House, supporting a president so utterly unfit to lead a great country. Second, John F. Kelly has utterly failed as chief of staff; the past two weeks have been the worst of Trump’s presidency, many would agree. He can at this point only serve his country by resigning and warning the country that Trump is a cancer on the presidency, to borrow a phrase. Third, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner have no excuses and get no free passes. They are as responsible as anyone by continuing to enable the president. Finally, Trump apologists have run out of excuses and credibility. He was at the time plainly the more objectionable of the two main party candidates; in refusing to recognize that they did the country great harm. They can make amends by denouncing him and withdrawing all support. In short, Trump’s embrace and verbal defense of neo-Nazis and white nationalists should be disqualifying from public service. All true patriots must do their utmost to get him out of the Oval Office as fast as possible.



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Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 07:01:28 AM
President Trump is not a Racist.

President Trump is not a racist.

Trump and race: Decades of fueling divisions

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Last summer, when Donald Trump’s comments about Mexicans and Muslims led to widespread accusations that he harbored racist attitudes, the candidate pushed back. “I am the least racist person that you’ve ever encountered,” he said.

As evidence, Trump cited an endorsement he’d received from a weekly newspaper published in Ohio by Don King, the legendary African-American boxing promoter.

“Now, Don King knows racism probably better than anybody,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “He’s not endorsing a racist, okay?”

But how would Trump persuade those who believed he was a racist that wasn’t the case? “I’m not concerned,” he replied. “Actually, I’m not concerned because I don’t think people believe it.”

From his first public controversy in the 1970s, when the federal government sued Trump and his father over discriminatory rental practices in their New York real estate empire, to the opening salvo in his 2016 presidential campaign, when he said that Mexicans entering the United States were criminals and “rapists,” Trump has regularly fanned the flames of racial controversies.

After Trump’s defiant statement Tuesday that “both sides” bore responsibility for the street battles in Charlottesville last weekend, an unusually bipartisan collection of politicians and others have called on the president to back off from remarks portraying an overtly white-supremacist rally as something benign and reasonable.

What do such comments reveal about his personal attitude toward the nation’s wrenching history of racial discord? Are Trump’s racially divisive remarks just another example of his impulsivity and propensity to be provocative, or do they represent an abiding tolerance of racist views?

He’s like this on nearly every issue, said Armstrong Williams, a conservative, African-American TV and radio talk show host and longtime supporter of Trump. If ousted FBI director James Comey or former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus “had been black, people would have called what he did to them racist,” Williams said. “You cannot isolate this to race. It’s just who he is. He’s undisciplined and he causes unnecessary pain with what he says, and he’s done it all his life. The president treats everybody the same, unfortunately.”

Williams said Trump should have left his Monday statement condemning white supremacists as his last word, “but he just can’t stop himself, so he goes off without understanding the history of neo-Nazism and white supremacy. And those of us who had so much hope for him are just exhausted, because this is every day. People see it as a betrayal. Soon, he won’t have anybody, because when you start talking about Nazis and supremacy, who’s going to defend him on that?”

But others say Trump’s eagerness to speak up for at least some of the people who took part in the alt-right demonstrations in Charlottesville must be viewed as a reflection of his attitude on race.

“It could be both that he’s like this about all kinds of issues and that he’s particularly comfortable trafficking in racist language,” said Michael Fauntroy, a Howard University political scientist who has written on Republicans and the black vote. “I think he has something going on in his personality that leads him to say irrational things. But the most benign explanation of his behavior is that he’s very comfortable being around racists.”

Some Republicans have spoken out against Trump’s decision to equate left-wing protesters with the armed, avowed neo-Nazis who carried torches through the University of Virginia campus last weekend. But even those who strongly criticized the president stopped short of questioning his beliefs on race.

“There’s a whole lot of political calculus behind these comments,” Fauntroy said. “What are they going to say: ‘The leader of our party traffics in racism or is comfortable with racism, but we have to get things done, so we’re just going to ignore that?’”

Republican leaders have occasionally pushed back against Trump’s racial slurs. Last year, when Trump said that a federal judge of Mexican descent had ruled against him because he is “Mexican,” House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said the comment constituted “the textbook definition of a racist comment.” But Ryan did not back away from his endorsement of Trump’s candidacy.

Trump “is no racist,” said King, the boxing promoter, in an interview. “He’s a realist and a knight in God-sent shining armor. He promised to create a whole new system and that system includes the degradations of white supremacy, so when he takes down that old system, that doctrine goes with it. I still love Donald Trump.”

Trump’s four decades in the public eye began with a discrimination lawsuit against young Donald and his father, New York City developer Fred Trump.

For decades, the Trump real estate empire had been well known in Brooklyn and Queens as developments mainly for whites. In 1952, one of Trump’s tenants, the legendary folk singer Woody Guthrie, pushed back against the all-white nature of his 1,800-unit apartment complex by writing a song, “Old Man Trump,” that begins, “I suppose that Old Man Trump knows just how much racial hate he stirred up in that bloodpot of human hearts when he drawed that color line here at his Beach Haven family project.”

“Beach Haven is Trump’s Tower / Where no black folks come to roam,” the song continues.

As Fred Trump brought his son into leadership of the family business, the two faced an investigation by the city Human Rights Commission in which testers tried to rent Trump apartments. The white applicant was offered housing right away, but the black applicant was told nothing was available.

The city shut down rentals at that Trump complex, and the Justice Department picked up the case, filing suit in 1973 against father and son, accusing them of “refusing to rent and negotiate rentals with blacks.” Trump employees stated that they had been instructed to mark rental applications from blacks with the letter C for “colored.”

Donald Trump, then 27, took the lead in defending the family. Under the tutelage of Roy Cohn, the New York attorney who had formerly worked for Sen. Joseph McCarthy in the communist hunts of the 1950s, Trump pushed back hard, countersuing the government and accusing the prosecutor, who was Jewish, of conducting a “Gestapo-like interrogation.” The judge summarily rejected Trump’s claims.

After years of court battles, Trump sought a settlement, agreeing to buy ads in local newspapers assuring the public that his company would not discriminate.

Despite the rough press he endured during that dispute, Trump did not hesitate to wade into racial controversies throughout his career.

In 1993, when he testified before a congressional committee looking into Indian gambling, Trump questioned whether tribe members who operated a casino competing with his Atlantic City operations were really native Americans. “They don’t look like Indians to me,” he said.

But a few years later, during a period when he was a registered Democrat who often expressed liberal views, Trump attacked Reform Party presidential candidate Pat Buchanan for how he talked about “Jews, blacks, gays and Mexicans.... He wants to divide our country.”

And in 1995, Trump opened his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida with a pointed welcome to Jews, blacks and gay couples, all of whom had long faced restrictions at other Palm Beach social clubs.

But those who’ve worked with Trump for many years say he also has a history of making rough, stereotyping comments about racial minorities. John O’Donnell, who was president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, said Trump blamed blacks for his financial problems.

“I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza — black guys counting my money!” Trump said, according to O’Donnell. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.... Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has denied making that remark, but has also said that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

In 1989, after a 28-year-old white investment banker on a jog through Central Park was raped, beaten and left for dead, five teenaged boys, including four blacks and one Hispanic, were arrested.

Two weeks later, Trump bought full-page ads in the city’s four newspapers: “Bring back the death penalty,” he demanded, dismissing Mayor Ed Koch’s call for less hate in a frightened city. “I want to hate these muggers and murderers,” Trump wrote. “They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed.”

When Rev. Al Sharpton, the black activist, denounced Trump for a “hatemongering ad,” Trump denied that race had anything to do with his call for retribution.

Soon after, Trump went on TV to talk about blacks in America: “A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market,” he said. “I’ve said on one occasion, even about myself, if I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage.”

In 2014, the Central Park Five had their convictions overturned when a career criminal confessed and provided a DNA match that proved he was the rapist. The city paid the five men $41 million to settle their wrongful imprisonment suit, but Trump called the payment “the heist of the century” and “a disgrace,” said he wouldn’t give them a dime, and insisted he had nothing to apologize for.

A few months after the Central Park rape, Trump was asked about rumors that he planned to run for governor of New York. “Can you imagine me running for office?” he replied. “Wouldn’t you say I’m a little controversial for that?”


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Reply #22 on: August 17, 2017, 07:13:44 AM
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it's a duck.

Here is no middle ground, Joan. If you apologize for the actions of fascist and try to paint him as something different, you are also a fascist.

Sorry to inform you but you are a fascist and an enemy to the Constitution, and the nation.


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Reply #23 on: August 17, 2017, 10:08:28 AM
President Trump is not a Racist. Period.

Republicans had nothing to do with Nazis, and KKK, and other thugs, including Antifa and Black Lives Matter, being in Charlottesville, VA, or fighting there.

That's why the Nazis chanted "Heil Trump!".

That's why the ex leader of the KKK thanked Trump for his supportive words...

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One person murdered a woman, and injured many, ramming a car into a crowd of rampaging people, after the Nazi/KKK and other Permitted people left the scene as ordered. That person should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

That "one person" was part of the protest, a member of the white supremacist groups, and, oh, a Trump supporter.

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Three people were arrested on Saturday, not including the murdering driver, in all the chaos shown on TV, by a limited coverage crew, mostly local news in a few fixed locations. It is remarkable that with the extensive Police presence, no more than three arrests were warranted.

Well done to the police for showing restraint.

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Did officers not witness any illegal actions among the Nazi/KKK folks? Did the Officers not witness any illegal actions among the Antifa/BLM thugs? Difficult to believe. Or, was the chaos not as much as has been portrayed by the news footage, but hyped later by politicians and MSM for their own purposes.

In crowd situations, it is often normal practise for officers to employ "tactical ignoring" - letting slide individual acts that would normally lead to arrest. It prevents escalation.

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Lost in all this is that history will be overwritten, no matter, and in spite of the actions taken on all sides in Charlottesville, VA... to feed the Racism demands of leftist politicians.

Sad to see.

Yes, history will be overwritten, and in my opinion that is wrong - a better, and more honest act would be to add an "updated" plaque to such statues.  However, glorifying the people in those statues as heroes of the struggle against the oppressing Jew and their Negro armies is wrong on many levels.

Clearly you've not watched the actual events yet. Too much truth to stomach?

Warning:  This video is NSFW and contains graphic and disturbing images and speech.


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Reply #24 on: August 17, 2017, 12:37:24 PM

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Reply #25 on: August 17, 2017, 12:41:10 PM

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Reply #26 on: August 17, 2017, 12:46:39 PM

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Reply #27 on: August 17, 2017, 12:50:22 PM

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Reply #28 on: August 17, 2017, 12:55:56 PM

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Reply #29 on: August 17, 2017, 12:58:46 PM

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Reply #30 on: August 17, 2017, 01:11:47 PM
Did officers not witness any illegal actions among the Nazi/KKK folks?

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Reply #31 on: August 17, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
Wow! I really seem to have stirred thing up! Here in the UK we can only go by headlines and reports on BBC news and we are totally confused when Trump says one thing one time, and then changes another time. For example, he appears to have totally boxed himself in over North Korea with no 'wriggle room'.

Please don't misunderstand me, I have nothing against America as a country having spent several very enjoyable holidays in your great country. This includes one just a few days after 9/11 (on a nearly empty Jumbo Jet) when we were so welcome.



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Reply #32 on: August 17, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
President Trump is not a Racist. Period.

Republicans had nothing to do with Nazis, and KKK, and other thugs, including Antifa and Black Lives Matter, being in Charlottesville, VA, or fighting there.

One person murdered a woman, and injured many, ramming a car into a crowd of rampaging people, after the Nazi/KKK and other Permitted people left the scene as ordered. That person should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Three people were arrested on Saturday, not including the murdering driver, in all the chaos shown on TV, by a limited coverage crew, mostly local news in a few fixed locations. It is remarkable that with the extensive Police presence, no more than three arrests were warranted.

Did officers not witness any illegal actions among the Nazi/KKK folks? Did the Officers not witness any illegal actions among the Antifa/BLM thugs? Difficult to believe. Or, was the chaos not as much as has been portrayed by the news footage, but hyped later by politicians and MSM for their own purposes.

Lost in all this is that history will be overwritten, no matter, and in spite of the actions taken on all sides in Charlottesville, VA... to feed the Racism demands of leftist politicians.

Sad to see.


Trump is a bigot.  Furthermore, his rhetoric has encouraged violence against protesters.



Republicans had nothing to do with Nazis, and KKK, and other thugs?  And yet the implementation of the Southern Strategy means they actively pander to them.

How the Southern Strategy Made Donald Trump Possible
In states like South Carolina, the mogul reaps the benefits of the GOP's longstanding appeal to racism.
BY JEET HEER

https://newrepublic.com/article/130039/southern-strategy-made-donald-trump-possible



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Reply #33 on: August 17, 2017, 09:55:19 PM
Headlines can do that, and sometimes are written to grab "clicks" more than to fit the actual reality of the event or story they may represent.

Looks like, at this moment anyway, Trumps handling of North Korea has had the result desired, with the NORKS backing down, at least on Guam.

History will bear out the results of how this Administration fares, overall.


Wow! I really seem to have stirred thing up! Here in the UK we can only go by headlines and reports on BBC news and we are totally confused when Trump says one thing one time, and then changes another time. For example, he appears to have totally boxed himself in over North Korea with no 'wriggle room'.

Please don't misunderstand me, I have nothing against America as a country having spent several very enjoyable holidays in your great country. This includes one just a few days after 9/11 (on a nearly empty Jumbo Jet) when we were so welcome.

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Reply #34 on: August 17, 2017, 11:00:11 PM
The United States of America is not a great country.

Trump is proof of that.

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Reply #35 on: August 17, 2017, 11:43:24 PM
"History will bear out the results of how this Administration fares, overall..."

How to Handle Donald Trump
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President Trump arriving at a rally in Huntington, W.Va., early this month. Credit Carlos Barria/Reuters

Donald Trump is still president. Hard to know what to do with this, people.

In less than a week he’s managed to put on one of the most divisive, un-helpful, un-healing presidential performances in American history. It’s been a great stretch for fans of Richard Nixon and James Buchanan.

On Wednesday Trump had to dissolve his business advisory councils because the C.E.O.s were fleeing like panic-stricken geese from a jumbo jet. We now have a president who can’t get the head of Campbell Soup to the White House.

Trump also announced plans to hold a rally next week in Arizona, where he’s said he’s “seriously considering” a pardon for former sheriff Joe Arpaio, the loathsome racial profiler who never met a constitutional amendment he didn’t ignore. Arpaio’s treatment of Latinos won him a criminal contempt conviction, but of course that’s nothing to our leader.

We had no idea how bad this guy was going to be. Admit it — during the campaign you did not consider the possibility that if a terrible tragedy struck the country involving all of our worst political ghosts of the past plus neo-Nazism, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz would know the appropriate thing to say but Donald Trump would have no idea.

George W. Bush would have been at the funeral for the slain civil rights demonstrator in a second. About the best Trump could do was to praise Heather Heyer’s mother, Susan Bro, for writing “the nicest things” about him. Bro did indeed express appreciation for the president’s denunciation of “those who promote violence and hatred.” That was his written-by-someone-else statement, which preceded the despicable impromptu version.

We’re only safe when he’s using prepared remarks. The extemporaneous Trump’s response to the violence in Charlottesville wasn’t just tone-deaf and heartless; you had to wonder about the overall mental balance of a man who managed to both defend the alt-right demonstrators in Virginia and brag about his real estate in the neighborhood.

“Does anyone know I own a house in Charlottesville?” Trump asked the stunned reporters. “I own actually one of the largest wineries in the United States. It’s in Charlottesville.”

It was truly the kind of performance you expect from a deranged person, brought out to explain why he blew up a large government building and inquiring cheerfully: “Has anybody seen my car? It’s really nice. A Ford Pinto.”

Also, Trump does not own one of the largest wineries in the United States. Trump Winery is one of the largest wineries in Virginia, which is like bragging you own one of the largest ski resorts in Ohio.

(There’s something about catching these wild misstatements and lies of self-aggrandizement that can actually be soothing in the worst of times. It’s a diversion that gives you a little break from wondering what’s going to happen to the country.)

Meanwhile, business executives were concluding it was morally compromising to be on the White House manufacturing council. It’s hard to imagine what else could happen before autumn kicks in.

We are just beginning to fully understand how critical it is for a president to have at least a minimal understanding of American history. This one seems to have only recently discovered he belongs to the same party as Abraham Lincoln. “Most people don’t even know he was a Republican,” Trump told a political gathering. “Right? Does anyone know? A lot of people don’t know that. We have to build that up a little more.”

His response to the biggest challenge of his presidency began by blaming “many sides” for the crisis. Then there was the reading of an appropriate, if way overdue, statement. Then came the disastrous press conference on Tuesday, when he was just supposed to read a brief description of the administration plan for infrastructure — something about giving road-builders a reprieve from having to consider the possibility of future flooding.

But he started to take questions and actually say things from his own mind. His staff looked worried, then nervous, then despairing.

Even when Trump is not historically wrong, or making things up to extol his own self-image, or failing to do even the least modicum of national healing at a time of crisis, he’s so incoherent that it’s possible to misunderstand what should be a simple thought.

“I didn’t know David Duke was there. I wanted to see the facts,” he blathered at one point, then lapsed into that terrible tendency to refer to himself in the third person. “And the facts, as they started coming out, were very well stated. In fact, everybody said his statement was beautiful. …”

This can’t go on. We don’t have time to wait for impeachment. Patriotic Republicans and administration officials have to get together and find a way to make sure that Donald Trump will never again say anything in public that is not written on a piece of paper. It’s their duty to the country.

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Reply #36 on: August 18, 2017, 02:43:25 PM
True, North Korea have pulled back for the moment, but what if they hadn't or if they re-start? By playing it so hard, he left himself with very few options - what in the UK we call "painting himself into a corner"



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Reply #37 on: August 18, 2017, 03:25:28 PM
Trump is pathetic.  Just pathetic.



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Reply #38 on: August 28, 2017, 01:09:32 PM
There is a story going round the UK that, with the never-ending exodus of staff from the White House, they are thinking of installing revolving doors!



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Reply #39 on: August 28, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
The President found a language that the people of N. Korea can understand. He used social media to get to 'the people', along with the Diplomatic language the Officials could grasp, and the speaking out of U.S. Military leaders, to insure those in Military Power positions in North Korea understood clearly just what they are inviting, with the crack pot intentions of their dear leader.

For now, seems to have worked, and am sure N. Korea remains a problem,
 and will likely need to be destroyed, sooner rather than later.


True, North Korea have pulled back for the moment, but what if they hadn't or if they re-start? By playing it so hard, he left himself with very few options - what in the UK we call "painting himself into a corner"

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