Asshole/Asshelmet With A Gun

[Gunnerman19]

Right they couldn’t predict it. That’s way there are certain rights that are protected. It’s all there man. How are not seeing that. You are lost in your own nonsense.
Your last sentence was you believe no guns, American children. Hahaha did you just do an about-face?

[psiberzerker]

It’s all there man. How are not seeing that.

I could ask you the same thing.  Again, Guns aren't the problem, and the Militia could be the solution.

Your last sentence was you believe no guns, American children.

When did I say "No guns?"

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-that still doesn’t take the rights of the individual to keep and bear arms out of the picture in any way shape or form. Read it, color on the paper next to the words but it is as it was written.

[psiberzerker]

that still doesn’t take the rights of the individual to keep and bear arms out of the picture in any way shape or form.

Right, that's exactly my point.  We don't have to take anyone's right to bear arms away, in any way, shape or form.  We just need volunteers.  It's not just in schools, but those should be the easiest to get volunteers who want to protect them.

Train them, and voila.  We have a militia again.

[Gunnerman19]

Not talking myself out of the conversation for good but must take myself out of it for a bit due to work priorities. I’ll be back

[Jed_]

Jed- very well typed out.

Thanks!  Only took 3 tries to pass second grade.

[Slaggingham]

How about the first application of the Second Amendment after the Constitutional Convention?

It happened near where I'm originally from.  Whiskey Rebellion.  Buncha guys decided that they didn't want to pay a new tax on whiskey.  They started roughing up tax collectors, tarring and feathering people, and generally modeling themselves after the Revolutionaries of 1776, claiming that the tax was "government tyranny."  Some of them ever wanted to declare independence and secede.

Yeah, then-Pres. Washington wasn't having any of this New Wannabe "Tea Party" shit.  So he summoned the militia of several states and marched to Pennsylvania and the Tea Partiers promptly shit themselves, gave up and ran away.

So much for "protecting against a tyrannical government."  No, the Second was so that it would be EASY to rapidly summon up an armed force to CRUSH tax protesters and would-be rebels before they got out of hand.  Pretty much the opposite of what today's Tea Party monkeys think it was for.

George Washington would have stomped Cliven Bundy's ass, hard.

[psiberzerker]

If that mag change makes a difference on one then it also has the same difference on the other.

One is an assault, on a public place, for maximum casualties, and the other is self defense.

For self defense, 6 was enough for Elmer Kieth.  8 (In .45 govt) was enough for the Army, and 10 (In .40 cal, or .357 sig) was enough for the FBI to conduct Law Enforcement.  Not self defense, literally crime fighting.

Any "What if" scenario you can think up, You have to save your life.  Not the gun.  If You can't do it in 10, then You can't do it in 30.  Any situation where you need 30 just to defend yourself, you're not likely to get the first 10 rounds off, before they overwhelm, and kill you.

I'm pretty good with my High Power, and I can get 7 double taps out of it, because I drilled with it.  I'm never going to have to as a civilian.  Now, tell me the situation you believe that you actually stand a snowball's chance in hell of surviving, where it takes more than 10 rounds to defend yourself.

[Jed_]

You hit the nail on the head Psi.  There’s never a real world need for that many rounds as a civilian unless it’s the zombie apocalypse.

I get that it’s fun.  Hec, I love that kind of fun.  But if the trade off for me and other gun nuts like me to have our fun is we tolerate a few dozen mass shootings a year and hundreds or thousands dead with, ‘Oh well, it happens’ and ‘Thoughts and prayers’, then the fun isn’t worth it.

[psiberzerker]

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with the entire debate is the "Acceptable casualties" argument.  Whether explicitely stated, or implied.  

This is not a safe, and secure free state.  It's giving psychos the power over life, and death, because YOU have a right, that shal not be infringed on.

I will gladly sell my guns to the government (They can't take them, but they can buy them) if it means the safety, and security of public schools.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker- if you will give up your firearms because you think that will fix the issue then who’s stopping you now?
 So you just hate mags having over the 6, 8, and 10 round capacity...you made that clear already. I believe we should be able to have 30 if we want. Look I have lots of firearms. Long distance weapon to your everyday strikerfire and hammer fired carry weapons...Glock 19s, Sig p220, p226s, p229s, p320s, p365s, colt 1911, rock island 1911, Kimber 1911, Beretta 92fs, Beretta 96a1. You spoke of your mini-14 well I have a couple as well. Also have ARs, Aks as well as different setups for different uses. Most of the work I do is done by me and all mods stay will in the law for my state and federal law. I as well hunt and drill and enjoy helping teach adults and young people how to use and defend themselves first by hand and then with firearms. Does any of this make me more qualified to speak over you on weapons...no, but you have brought up you firearms while defending your points. My case has been and will remain that it’s an advantage to have 30 over 10. Also I don’t need to look something up for you when you can do it yourself.
 I have not argued with you that there are situations where someone blind side you or multiple attacker is a tough place to be and you I believe said that they are a step ahead and that’s why you don’t go to those places where you may encounter such attacks. All valid points that’s why I didn’t comment because what more is there to say. That being said, nothing you have said changes my mind. I would never vote for something that limits my ability to defend myself from even what you call make believe situations in the civilian self defense side. Look most people are not being shot with non-lethal paint balls. In a real situation attackers split up and usually but not always keep coming at someone firing a firearm at them. I bet you double tap targets all day long. Are they moving? They firing live ammo back in your direction? It’s fun to play the 3 gun challenge and clear room in you mommas house but to assume you are “always fuck” is a great reason for you to sell your weapons. I have nothing left to say on the issue.

[Gunnerman19]

Slaggin-the key there is roughing up others.
 It was more than just about the land use permits for the Bundys, big guy. Ranchers were getting a shitty deal all the way around. Add the way that many USFS and BLM employees were treating them as well as the FBI Well something was going to happen. I’m not for backing up traffic or roughing up people to get your point across. My opinion is that they could’ve done it differently. Do I side with them well no tho I see many of their points and love the spirit of resistance. I doubt Washington would’ve handle it much different in this day. I think the outcome would’ve been the same. No sense in a bunch of bloodshed.

[psiberzerker]

I’m not for backing up traffic or roughing up people to get your point across.

What about invading Federal land, pointing assault rifles at civilians and the 5th estate, or threatening Government Agents?

If they weren't rich white landowners, they would have been shot.  Hell, unarmed black kids get shot for less.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-Well princess, owning maybe a 150 acres really doesn’t make you a rich white guy. If he would’ve shot someone I’m sure LE would’ve taken him out.

[psiberzerker]

owning maybe a 150 acres really doesn’t make you a rich white guy.

He sold 1,300 head of cattle, while he was occupying Federal land.  It sure as shit doesn't make him poor, neither.

Cattle he fed for free, by the way, at an estimated worth of $3million.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-as far as the first part of you post on “what about”...you already tried that shit with the plane that hit pentagon but yet you didn’t reference the plane that went down in Pennsylvania. Anyone with one eye and half an asshole can read back to see your dipshittery here.

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker- there is more to their costs. Their profits are not that big. They pay for every blade of grass that goes into the mouth of their cattle. Look into it more than just to what makes you triggered snowflake.

[psiberzerker]

This is about assholes with guns.  A lot of assholes, with a bunch of guns, in this case.  You want to dicker over your personal definition of "Rich?"

What about them threatening civilians, journalists, AND LEOs with rifles?

[Gunnerman19]

Psiberzerker-already answered that in two different post sweetheart.
You brought up the rich white guy remark.

[psiberzerker]

You brought up the rich white guy remark.

So, it's back to semantics, and name calling, then,  You can stop with the sweetcheeks.  It's not supporting your argument, much less endearing me to you.

There is no justification for menacing civilians, journalists, nor LEOs.  Let alone all 3, for basically Squatters.  Not for him, not for anyone.

No, you didn't address that, you argued with the word Rich.  Anyone that owns $3million of anything is a millionaire.