Racism is alive and well, Thanks Trump and his supporters!

[Lois]

Racism is clearly driving Trump regime policies concerning immigration.  In order to justify it's attacks on immigrants, specifically refugees, it directed its own Department of Health and Human Services to do a study on the negative impact of refugees on the economy.  However, the study found:

... that between 2005 and 2014, refugees “contributed an estimated $269.1 billion in revenues to all levels of government” through the payment of federal, state, and local taxes — which far outweighed their cost to the country. “Overall, this report estimated that the net fiscal impact of refugees was positive over the 10-year period, at $63 billion.”

The Trump regime was not happy with these findings and tried to suppress the study, but it was leaked to the New York Times. 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/19/16333778/trump-administration-rejects-study-refugees-help-economy

[Athos_131]

Minnesota GOP chairwoman accuses state party leaders of racist insults

Evil feeds upon itself.

#Resist

[Athos_131]

"Shoot them all at the border": DMV employee investigated for Facebook comment on immigrants

#Resist

[Athos_131]

#Resist

[Katiebee]

The fascism rises.

And Sarah, why do you hate capitalism?

[Athos_131]

According to Trumpers it's ok not to bake a wedding cake for a LGBT couple.

According to Trumpers it's also not ok to refuse service to someone who's the mouthpiece for a corrupt regime.

#Resist

[Jed_]

Yeah, I get it.  And, I’ve in the past said or maybe just thought some rather unflattering things about Trump supporters lumping them all in a bucket of hopelessly stupid bigots.  I’ve said things like they are so stupid, it’s hard for me to consider myself to be the same species as these people.  I’ve asked about their ability to think, wondering if critical thinking makes their head hurt, so they avoid it.

But in the end, how useful is it to have attitudes like that towards them?  What do we that oppose Trump’s policies, and feel we see him taking us in absolutely the wrong direction as a country, what do we do?  What are our options, and I mean to avoid a Trump 2020 win and Republicans retaining control of congress?  Because, it is by no means a given that they will lose like we seemed so certain of back in 2017.

Obviously it’s about voting, and what do we do about Trump supporters?
1.  We could try and kill them, but even beyond that absurdly horrific thought, they own most of the guns in this country (although I have about 30 of my own).
2. We can ignore them hoping they go away.  At least ignoring them is better than the visceral abusive hatred currently being directed at them, but it’s hardly a productive strategy.
3. We could be civil, nice, logical and persuasive and convert them?

Is there a hopeless hard nut core of Trump supporters that can’t ever be reasoned with at any level of decency until they day they die?  Yeah, but most of them are white men over 70.  But, there are many layers to his support.  Peel away those layers by being persuasive and rational, and above all by behaving in a civilized, nice and polite manner.

Because I’m going to repeat myself from an earlier post, right now the right is coming across as far nicer people than the left, and calling every Trump supporter a stupid racist is only going to further entrench them in their flawed beliefs and lead to perpetuating and accelerating the degradation of our values.  We can adopt a strategy of looking forward to smugly saying ‘I told you so’ when everything has really turned to shit so bad even they see it, or try and work towards preventing everything from turning to shit by being persuasive and nice.  We know he’s bad, help them to see it too.

[Athos_131]

The answer is not to embrace or try to change these assholes.

A possible solution is get more people to vote who aren't these assholes.

Trumpers can go fuck themselves.

#Resist.

[joan1984]

  Well, Jed_, if you are sincere about wanting to win the hearts and minds of voters, this November and beyond, Trump supporters and not, start by being civil with all voters, and others, AND lay out the Democrat plans about what the Party is FOR, and how the Party plans to achieve their short term, and long term goals. Details will help, and if your plan and goals are what people desire, you can plan on a better share of the votes of the American people.

  Democrats/Leftist Activists, have the support of the Mainstream Media, and the far left citizens and media, which pretty much covers the meaningful media in the United States, and you tend to utilize the media very productively to date. Of course, the Mainstream Media generally is detested by a majority of Americans, and for good reason, as their bias is obvious, worn on their sleeve for any interested party to see. Still, when you wrap up the daily discourse with your Media cohorts constantly attacking any Administration activity, or policy, or action, or inaction, lol... it does make a difference... if the voter either, "feels" if we are going for "feelings", or "believes", if we go for "beliefs", that the politician they cast a vote FOR actually will work in favor of what the politician says during the campaign.

  Some hardcore Democrats, and some hardcore Republicans, may well vote the ticket, pull the D or R handle as they used to say. More thinking people who follow and care about policies may look at the history of each politician, and the history of each Party, and decide who they believe, and cast a vote in that direction.

  We shall see the results in November 2018, and again in November 2020. If Democrats continue to obstruct, without any stated plan to address issues as they arise, the mystery created can only be filled with the imagination of any voter, and voting history will likely bite them at the polls.

  Lesser of two evils, and what's in it for me, what I care about... the Economy and "is the country headed in the correct direction" become decision makers.

[Jed_]

I’m unsure which closed minded response to my post is worse.

[joan1984]

I’m unsure which closed minded response to my post is worse.

Really? Seriously? Well, that shows to me your 'open mind' is less reality than you may think it is. I suggested Democrats explain their positions, and goals, in detail. Take responsibility for what they want to actually accomplish, and how they propose to accomplish their goals.

The other is just hard boiled Antifa style, only worse, as it is fake 'antifa'.
Gutless agitation, resistance for the sake of resistance, Marxism at best.

I hope you get more replies to address your stated desire to persuade.

[_priapism]

I’m unsure which closed minded response to my post is worse.

Really? Seriously? Well, that shows to me your 'open mind' is less reality than you may think it is. I suggested Democrats explain their positions, and goals, in detail. Take responsibility for what they want to actually accomplish, and how they propose to accomplish their goals.

The other is just hard boiled Antifa style, only worse, as it is fake 'antifa'.
Gutless agitation, resistance for the sake of resistance, Marxism at best.

I hope you get more replies to address your stated desire to persuade.

Please get a vocabulary.  Snowflake.

[Katiebee]

Joan, the media isn’t attacking Trump. That is what fox and Breitbart do.
The other media report what Trump does. If that means people are outraged, or that it portrays Trump in a bad light, perhaps that is because his policies and actions are so terrible.

[Jed_]

I’ve never had any trouble understanding the Democrat’s well articulated and detailed positions and goals.  I suppose that’s because I listen to what they say instead of what Fox says they are saying and aren’t saying.

[Athos_131]

If Democrats continue to obstruct

Please explain how this is possible with Trumpers in command of all 3 branches of the federal government.

Provide examples.

Prepare to be scrutinized or withdraw this horseshit claim.

#Resist

[Athos_131]

Snowflake.

Triggered by a Time Magazine cover.

#Resist

[Athos_131]

‘You’re out of your cotton-picking mind’: A Fox News guest explains hate speech to a black man

#Resist

[psiberzerker]

Please get a vocabulary.  Snowflake.

Oh, the irony here.  Seriously, you're telling someone, on a story board, to get a vocabulary, and all you can come up with is "Snowflake?"

Do you ever just, think about what you're going to say, before you post them, or is your bullshit detector just that broken?

[Athos_131]

An 8-year-old tried selling water for a trip to Disneyland. A white woman threatened to call police.

#Resist

[joan1984]

An 8-year-old tried selling water for a trip to Disneyland. A white woman threatened to call police.

#Resist

Re: your linked story, my question is, why will anyone ever employ Erin Ashton  (or whatever her name is), the Mom of the young person selling without a permit, after seeing the behavior and language of this 'Mom'.

No wonder she finds herself unemployed, and is out screeching for folks to buy her daughter's cold water. The kid can be understood, less so for the mom.