Illegal Alien Crime Reports

[Lois]

Well it's not just fundamentalism of course, but any inflexible ideology that leads one to black and white conclusions could indicate brain damage.  Inhaling all that lead dust from firing her guns at the range, we know that that Joan did not have to get lead chips in her formula or dropped on her head, but it certainly would explain a lot.
 

[IdleBoast]

Rational people agree that Illegal means Not Legal.

Born here? Good to go... Show your documents, and proceed...

Not born here? Papers, please...

Aliens are required to keep documents to show their legal status. Just because leftist wish to have the undocumented votes, does not make their status any more legal than it was otherwise.

Hard working (not on the dole for any Government benefit, State or Federal) undocumented aliens, with no history of law breaking or arrests, would be more acceptable for some Residency status that precludes 'Rights' of Citizenship, in a negotiated arrangement, it seems to me. So long as the 'vote' possibility exists the Democrats will openly lobby, nay will openly advocate breaking any laws to make this so. 

Common sense to anyone looking with their own lyin' eyes.

Illegal does not always mean criminal. Such black and white this thinking shows lack of intelligence.

But none of that in any way supports your original implied premise that immigrants are responsible for a a wave of violent crime.

I cannot think of any civilised reason for creating that site, or for linking to it as if the site were a Good Thing.

[Northwest]

But none of that in any way supports your original implied premise that immigrants are responsible for a a wave of violent crime.

I cannot think of any civilised reason for creating that site, or for linking to it as if the site were a Good Thing.

Excellent points.

[MissBarbara]

Rational people agree that Illegal means Not Legal.

Rational people also agree that "not legal" also has shades of meaning, and, more to the point, degrees of severity and varying demands for enforcement and prosecution.

For example, I'm driving late at night, and I approach a stop sign. I can clearly see that there are no cars coming from any direction, so I slow down and don't come to a complete stop before proceeding through the intersection.

That's illegal! That's not legal! That's criminal!

Born here? Good to go... Show your documents, and proceed...

What documents? Should people "born here" be required to carry "documents" with them at all times? Should law enforcement officials have the right to demand the display of "documents" at any time and for any reason?

(By the way, did you know that there are, like my friend Andrea, natural-born American citizens who were not "born here"?)

Just because leftist wish to have the undocumented votes, does not make their status any more legal than it was otherwise.

Which "leftist"? You've brought up this accusation dozens of times here, but has there been even one documented case of major elections being swung via votes from illegal aliens? If so, I'd love to see some examples from reputable sources.

[Lois]

There has not been one case of an election being swung by illegal immigrants, period.

Occasionally undocumented immigrants do register to vote, but it is usually by mistake.  They are given a form and told to fill it out, and not really knowing what it is.  This is how I filed an OSHA complaint at my workplace when simply trying to get an ergonomics evaluation of my workstation.  The folks at workplace health told me I had to fill it out to get the ergonomics evaluation.  They were wrong.

[Katiebee]

I think it particularly ironic that with all of the conservative emphasis on voter fraud, that the only case of actual voting fraud that I know was prosecuted, was by a woman, natural born citizen, who was voting for Trump. Twice.

[joan1984]

  Seems we all agree then, that names on the voter registry should be ONLY those of living, local, U.S. Citizens, who are Eligible Voters for precinct, and no others. Purging the list of all others is a good first step toward insuring we all can trust the vote count in the next election.

  Such Administration of VALID registration lists should be routine, and in many cases is very badly out of date.

[MissBarbara]

Seems we all agree then, that names on the voter registry should be ONLY those of living, local, U.S. Citizens, who are Eligible Voters for precinct, and no others.

Is there a single person in the nation who doesn't agree with that?

Purging the list of all others is a good first step toward insuring we all can trust the vote count in the next election.

Is there any specific reason why we should not trust the vote count of the past election? If so, please provide background from a reputable source detailing this fraudulent voting.

[joan1984]

I believe we can Trust, and Verify the votes from the last election, and Vice President Pence is heading a group to do just that, in part, while I would like to see first the removal from voting rolls of all names for those who did not vote in the last two elections, as a start.

Eligible Citizens can register anew, and demonstrate their eligibility anew, using recorded identity documents, same as they use to buy tobacco, MJ, alcohol, Rx medicines, etc.  Their attesting to Citizenship, recorded of course, would help form, along with those who have voted recently, a solid list for further review, and remove without qualification inactive registry names.

A fresh start.

I am sure some here know individuals who are Citizens who have absolutely no documents with which they can enter a Federal courthouse, nationwide, and would love to hear the stories.

A video record of recently inactive vote eligible Citizens who reregister, attest to their identity and status, using 'routine' identity documents that would allow them to fly, for instance, or to concealed carry a firearm, or to be employed, for instance, should have no problem with this.  

Perhaps there is some tribe in one of the Alaska islands who believe their soul is lost if their picture is taken.. will be interesting to hear the variety of reasons for some sort of special review.

Seems we all agree then, that names on the voter registry should be ONLY those of living, local, U.S. Citizens, who are Eligible Voters for precinct, and no others.

Is there a single person in the nation who doesn't agree with that?

Purging the list of all others is a good first step toward insuring we all can trust the vote count in the next election.

Is there any specific reason why we should not trust the vote count of the past election? If so, please provide background from a reputable source detailing this fraudulent voting.

[RopeFiend]

As I'm the only one that remembers the LAST time Joan brought up this site, I'll reprise my earlier reply:

Joan, please come down here to MY neighborhood.  It's predominantly black and Mexican, about 50:50 each.  Let me give you ONE fucking guess who does the majority of the crime here.

The blacks and Mexicans have segregated, for the most part.  There are 3 apartment complexes that are primarily Mexican, the rest of the area is black with NO Mexicans in single-family dwellings except at the extreme edges of this area.  It's very poor here.  I'll take Mexican neighbors ANY day.  They don't do home invasions, and they don't trash the place just for the hell of it.  They're GOOD neighbors.  Poor black folks?  Not so much.

I'm not being racist, it's a simple observation.  The 'illegals' are nicer than the 'legals'.

[joan1984]

  Glad to hear you have good neighbors, Rope. We all have good neighbors, I trust, and some have less that good neighbors, just the way that it is.

  Some crime just did not have to happen here, that committed by people of any color or national origin who are not here legally. Along with other reasons to remove such folks, and push them beyond the wall where they are less illegal as residents, crime history of the individuals is worthy of review.

  We have a entire Federal Department who is responsible to remove such bad actors, and understanding why this is necessary helps people value their legal resident neighbors, US Citizen or not, who we have learned to trust.

[Lois]

Let's make it a requirement that all citizens vote. 

[joan1984]

Mandatory is different than Freedom to Vote.

How about making it mandatory to present a Government issued ID for voting.

Same ID one uses to fill at Rx, Register your Car, Enter a Federal Courthouse, Enter a State Courthouse, hmmm... maybe move the Polls to the Courthouse, or a different Federal Government or State Government building that requires standard Photo ID for entry. That could work.

Let's make it a requirement that all citizens vote. 

[Katiebee]

You lack an understanding of logistics and practicality. Also you don't understand the immensity of documenting everyone.

[Katiebee]

Show me your papers, citizen. Shades of 1984.

[joan1984]

We have a document, a list of all who voted or not from current registry data.

Starting with that data as the 'grandfathered' base information, for those active voters from the past two elections, every voter who participated is included, and accepted as authorized to vote, by their own declaration, by registering.

Clear the rolls of all other names entirely. Gone. So the only persons registered to vote are those active in the past two elections. This is the base active list.

All NEW registrations require documentation, and Video or Photo at registration, if needed moving the location of such voter registration to a facility with the proper resources to affect such documentation. Fingerprints via electronic collection would be even better, again at a suitable facility for such collection.

Each new Registration Applicant, the Citizens who wish to Register, bring the documents required by their State, and in a recorded procedure, attest to their legal eligibility to vote. Signing their name, providing suitable ID, residency proof and so forth, a record of that individual now exists in detail that can be followed up as needed, including all the data now sought for Registration, along with a Photo and Fingerprint, and current data as to address.

Surely our systems can sort by address, and assign each new Registered voter to the suitable precinct, and voting station, and notify each by mail, sending the official Voter Registration Card via Registered Mail to their home address.

This is roughly the process the District Of Columbia goes thru today, for what they refer to as Real ID, as each person licensed to drive in DC transitions from their old Driver License to a New Real ID Identity card.

Not too much to ask for any citizen to fulfill. And if special circumstances apply for a particular citizen, arrangements can be made to satisfy such needs on a case by case basis.

Simple.

You lack an understanding of logistics and practicality. Also you don't understand the immensity of documenting everyone.

[Katiebee]

You really don't understand. They don't have staff or funding to do all of that consistently. Add in that many places the agencies don't work well with each other. All of that is already in the books.

[joan1984]

The local Division of Motor Vehicles can be trained to handle Voter Registration in a new way, and has the equipment, or can be so equipped to handle 'new' or 'renewed' Voter Registration applicants along with their usual customers. How they are reimbursed for such services today, is simply extended to insure they continue to receive suitable funding as needed for this all important function.

You really don't understand. They don't have staff or funding to do all of that consistently. Add in that many places the agencies don't work well with each other. All of that is already in the books.

[Katiebee]

Wrong!

Conservatives have strenuously fought that ever since the motor/voter laws came into effect.

Just how ignorant of the issues are you?

You demonstrate only that you parrot the demagogue rhetoric, but none of the reality.

Do you understand the requirements to get identification cards? The most common scenario requires that you already have a government issued document already in hand that ids you.

[MissBarbara]

Show me your papers, citizen. Shades of 1984.

I was thinking more like 1933...