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Reply #3100 on: August 01, 2024, 12:36:03 AM

Today I learned that there was a period in U.S. history when, had the president died in office, there was no one in line to succeed him.

Here's what happened:

Congress has passed several laws determining the Presidential Order of Succession, starting with the vice president. The one in effect today names the Speaker of the House, the President pro tempore of the Senate, and all U.S. Cabinet Secretaries who are eligible to serve as president. The Presidential Succession Act of 1792 listed only the President pro tem and the Speaker of the House, in that order.

In July 1881, President Garfield was shot in the back, and he died on September 19, 1881. At that point, Chester Arthur succeeded to the presidency. However, on that day, there was neither a President pro tempore of the Senate nor a Speaker of the House. If Arthur had died after taking office, there would have been no one in line to legally succeed him, and there would have been no president.

Fortunately, Arthur remained alive (though Arthur died barely a year after leaving office), and the Senate elected a President pro tempore on October 13, 1881 and House elected a speaker on December 5, 1881.

A couple of years later, Congress passed and President Cleveland signed the Presidential Succession Act of 1886, which revamped the succession order so that the Cabinet Secretaries were in line to succeed. The Presidential Succession Act of 1947, which is currently in effect, restored the House Speaker and President pro tempore of the Senate to the top of the list, with the Cabinet Secretaries next in line.





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Reply #3101 on: August 01, 2024, 01:46:24 AM

Today I learned that there was a period in U.S. history when, had the president died in office, there was no one in line to succeed him.

Here's what happened:

Congress has passed several laws determining the Presidential Order of Succession, starting with the vice president. The one in effect today names the Speaker of the House, the President pro tempore of the Senate, and all U.S. Cabinet Secretaries who are eligible to serve as president. The Presidential Succession Act of 1792 listed only the President pro tem and the Speaker of the House, in that order.

In July 1881, President Garfield was shot in the back, and he died on September 19, 1881. At that point, Chester Arthur succeeded to the presidency. However, on that day, there was neither a President pro tempore of the Senate nor a Speaker of the House. If Arthur had died after taking office, there would have been no one in line to legally succeed him, and there would have been no president.

Fortunately, Arthur remained alive (though Arthur died barely a year after leaving office), and the Senate elected a President pro tempore on October 13, 1881 and House elected a speaker on December 5, 1881.

A couple of years later, Congress passed and President Cleveland signed the Presidential Succession Act of 1886, which revamped the succession order so that the Cabinet Secretaries were in line to succeed. The Presidential Succession Act of 1947, which is currently in effect, restored the House Speaker and President pro tempore of the Senate to the top of the list, with the Cabinet Secretaries next in line.




Did not know that. The most I have learned about American History so far is what a Ticonderoga is. It was the first fort that the revolutionary army took from the British, which gained them much needed artillery. Woo x5 MissB. You honestly make learning fun, because a whole hell of a lot of people do not know that. Thank you kindly for sharing that morsel of knowledge.

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Pensacola Florida is America's first Colony. It was chosen by the navy for a fort and docks because the swampland around the colony had naturally occurring creosote, so shipbuilders would soak the the trees in the swamps to preserve the wood.

A cool little fact about the place I live near.
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Reply #3102 on: August 01, 2024, 01:47:44 PM
In 1973 Vice President Spiro Agnew was forced to resign. President Nixon, already up to his eyeballs in scandal, was told by Congressional leaders that Gerald Ford was going to be the replacement VP. Ford was approved overwhelmingly in both houses. In 1974, Nixon was forced to resign. Ford became the first unelected President in US history.

In 1975, a TV movie was made about a similar situation and a black actor was picked to be the unelected President. I tried finding the movie title, but Google is trying hard to sell me crap instead of being an information source.

Anyway, the unelected President wants to be elected, but he is outmaneuvered by his own party, who picks someone else. It was a very somber movie.



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Reply #3103 on: August 01, 2024, 03:05:57 PM

Today I learned that there was a period in U.S. history when, had the president died in office, there was no one in line to succeed him.

Here's what happened:

Congress has passed several laws determining the Presidential Order of Succession, starting with the vice president. The one in effect today names the Speaker of the House, the President pro tempore of the Senate, and all U.S. Cabinet Secretaries who are eligible to serve as president. The Presidential Succession Act of 1792 listed only the President pro tem and the Speaker of the House, in that order.

In July 1881, President Garfield was shot in the back, and he died on September 19, 1881. At that point, Chester Arthur succeeded to the presidency. However, on that day, there was neither a President pro tempore of the Senate nor a Speaker of the House. If Arthur had died after taking office, there would have been no one in line to legally succeed him, and there would have been no president.

Fortunately, Arthur remained alive (though Arthur died barely a year after leaving office), and the Senate elected a President pro tempore on October 13, 1881 and House elected a speaker on December 5, 1881.

A couple of years later, Congress passed and President Cleveland signed the Presidential Succession Act of 1886, which revamped the succession order so that the Cabinet Secretaries were in line to succeed. The Presidential Succession Act of 1947, which is currently in effect, restored the House Speaker and President pro tempore of the Senate to the top of the list, with the Cabinet Secretaries next in line.




Did not know that. The most I have learned about American History so far is what a Ticonderoga is. It was the first fort that the revolutionary army took from the British, which gained them much needed artillery. Woo x5 MissB. You honestly make learning fun, because a whole hell of a lot of people do not know that. Thank you kindly for sharing that morsel of knowledge.

Here is on for you:

Pensacola Florida is America's first Colony. It was chosen by the navy for a fort and docks because the swampland around the colony had naturally occurring creosote, so shipbuilders would soak the the trees in the swamps to preserve the wood.

A cool little fact about the place I live near.


I didn't know that.

Pensacola wasn't "America's first colony." It was the first Spanish colony in what would become the U.S. And it was the first Spanish colony for a brief period of time. It was established by Spain in 1559, demolished by a hurricane a couple of years later, and then abandoned. It wasn't re-established as a Spanish settlement until 1698 -- almost 140 years later -- and it was at that point that Spain established the fort and ship-building facility. By 1698, there were many colonies established by many countries throughout America.





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Reply #3104 on: August 01, 2024, 03:11:21 PM

In 1973 Vice President Spiro Agnew was forced to resign. President Nixon, already up to his eyeballs in scandal, was told by Congressional leaders that Gerald Ford was going to be the replacement VP. Ford was approved overwhelmingly in both houses. In 1974, Nixon was forced to resign. Ford became the first unelected President in US history.

In 1975, a TV movie was made about a similar situation and a black actor was picked to be the unelected President. I tried finding the movie title, but Google is trying hard to sell me crap instead of being an information source.

Anyway, the unelected President wants to be elected, but he is outmaneuvered by his own party, who picks someone else. It was a very somber movie.



It's called "The Man," and it stars James Earl Jones.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_%281972_film%29





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Reply #3105 on: August 01, 2024, 04:38:40 PM

Today I learned that there was a period in U.S. history when, had the president died in office, there was no one in line to succeed him.

Here's what happened:

Congress has passed several laws determining the Presidential Order of Succession, starting with the vice president. The one in effect today names the Speaker of the House, the President pro tempore of the Senate, and all U.S. Cabinet Secretaries who are eligible to serve as president. The Presidential Succession Act of 1792 listed only the President pro tem and the Speaker of the House, in that order.

In July 1881, President Garfield was shot in the back, and he died on September 19, 1881. At that point, Chester Arthur succeeded to the presidency. However, on that day, there was neither a President pro tempore of the Senate nor a Speaker of the House. If Arthur had died after taking office, there would have been no one in line to legally succeed him, and there would have been no president.

Fortunately, Arthur remained alive (though Arthur died barely a year after leaving office), and the Senate elected a President pro tempore on October 13, 1881 and House elected a speaker on December 5, 1881.

A couple of years later, Congress passed and President Cleveland signed the Presidential Succession Act of 1886, which revamped the succession order so that the Cabinet Secretaries were in line to succeed. The Presidential Succession Act of 1947, which is currently in effect, restored the House Speaker and President pro tempore of the Senate to the top of the list, with the Cabinet Secretaries next in line.




Did not know that. The most I have learned about American History so far is what a Ticonderoga is. It was the first fort that the revolutionary army took from the British, which gained them much needed artillery. Woo x5 MissB. You honestly make learning fun, because a whole hell of a lot of people do not know that. Thank you kindly for sharing that morsel of knowledge.

Here is on for you:

Pensacola Florida is America's first Colony. It was chosen by the navy for a fort and docks because the swampland around the colony had naturally occurring creosote, so shipbuilders would soak the the trees in the swamps to preserve the wood.

A cool little fact about the place I live near.


I didn't know that.

Pensacola wasn't "America's first colony." It was the first Spanish colony in what would become the U.S. And it was the first Spanish colony for a brief period of time. It was established by Spain in 1559, demolished by a hurricane a couple of years later, and then abandoned. It wasn't re-established as a Spanish settlement until 1698 -- almost 140 years later -- and it was at that point that Spain established the fort and ship-building facility. By 1698, there were many colonies established by many countries throughout America.





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Reply #3106 on: August 01, 2024, 05:06:07 PM
Years ago we visited Florida and took a day trip to St. Augustine. They claim to be the oldest city in the U.S.

It was founded in September 1565. I guess their claim to being the oldest city isl that it's still in existence.

It's a beautiful town and has a historic fort that we toured. It's made of a soft mixture of clay and sea shells that make it strong yet it stayed soft.

When enemy ships shelled the fort the cannon balls would bounce off or stick in the wall. After the enemy ships left the Spanish would go out and collect these enemy cannon balls for reuse. First recycling project in America.

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Reply #3107 on: August 01, 2024, 05:48:40 PM
Years ago we visited Florida and took a day trip to St. Augustine. They claim to be the oldest city in the U.S.

It was founded in September 1565. I guess their claim to being the oldest city isl that it's still in existence.

It's a beautiful town and has a historic fort that we toured. It's made of a soft mixture of clay and sea shells that make it strong yet it stayed soft.

When enemy ships shelled the fort the cannon balls would bounce off or stick in the wall. After the enemy ships left the Spanish would go out and collect these enemy cannon balls for reuse. First recycling project in America.

 8) 8) 8)

If you come to Pensacola, and want a wonderful tour, NAS is open again, and you can see the Yellow Fever hospital, the lighthouse and Fort Barrancas where supposedly Geronimo was held for trial.

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Reply #3108 on: August 01, 2024, 09:56:30 PM

Years ago we visited Florida and took a day trip to St. Augustine. They claim to be the oldest city in the U.S.

It was founded in September 1565. I guess their claim to being the oldest city isl that it's still in existence.



"The oldest city in the U.S." can mean several different things.

And "the U.S." can mean several different things. Do you mean the territory that would eventually become the U.S.? The U.S. that existed at the time the Declaration of Independence was written or the Constitution was ratified?

To make matters more complicated, the OP specifies "America's first Colony." Even assuming that refers to the U.S., and not the Americas, there are ruins of indigenous settlements in Oregon dating back 16,000 years. And since that was in pre-historic times, there's no reason not to believe there were settlements that existed millennia before that.

Even if you limit your definition, to "the first colony in what would become the U.S.," the ruins of the Acoma Pueblo, in New Mexico, date back to at least the year 1144 -- which was 450 years before those hearty Spaniards arrived in St. Augustine or Pensacola. And since there are still people living there today, it could be described as the oldest continually existing place in the U.S.

On top of that, since what we now refer to as American Indians or Indigenous Peoples came to what is now the U.S. from Asia, any settlement they founded could be considered a settlement. And there are dozens and dozens of such places throughout the U.S. When I was a kid, we visited the Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site, near St. Louis. Archeologists have determined that the "city" was founded around 1200 BC/E, and the mounds were constructed around 800 AD/CE, or about 700 years before the first Europeans arrived. At the same time, Hawaii was first inhabited around 1100 AD, and Alaska was first inhabited around 20,000 years ago. 

I suppose you could also argue that the city renamed San Juan in Puerto Rico (which is a U.S. Territory) was established in 1511, predating the Spanish settlements in Florida. But things are already far too complicated.

All of this is a long way of saying St. Augustine is the oldest continuously inhabited European-established settlement in the continental U.S.






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Reply #3109 on: August 01, 2024, 10:01:46 PM
 I feel buried in facts by a very smart professor.

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Reply #3110 on: August 01, 2024, 10:15:24 PM
When I was a kid, they taught us to Jamestown was the first settlement in North America. Established in 1607 CE, it was the first English settlement.

At the tip of the Great Northern Peninsula of the island of Newfoundland, the remains of an 11th-century Viking settlement are evidence of the first European presence in North America, circa 1021 CE.

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Reply #3111 on: August 01, 2024, 10:52:29 PM
This country does have some history. I've always taken pride in that my first relative hit the shore in 1629. (Yes, sometimes I can be a snob about that... peasants)
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Reply #3112 on: August 02, 2024, 05:07:59 PM
TIL, at any given time, 0.7% of the world population is drunk. That means 50 million people are drunk right now. It is always 5 o’clock somewhere.

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Reply #3113 on: August 04, 2024, 07:25:42 PM
TIL:

There is cuckoldry in breeding racehorses. A "Teaser" male is brought in to get the mare in the mood, and the stallion who is trying to breed is then brought in to seal the deal. wow.

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Reply #3114 on: August 04, 2024, 08:06:05 PM

TIL, at any given time, 0.7% of the world population is drunk. That means 50 million people are drunk right now. It is always 5 o’clock somewhere.


That's a cool fact.

I usually say, "It's always 12 o'clock somewhere." I guess I get a five-hour jump on you.

Back in early December 2022, I went with some friends to a local bar to watch the U.S. vs. Netherlands play in their World Cup Round of 16 match. The game was held in Qatar, and it started at 10:00 am our time, and I got to the bar around 9:15 am. I had planned to order a cup of coffee to drink while I watched the game, but after sitting there for 10 or 15 minutes waiting for the others to arrive, I realized that I'm in a bar with an extensive lists of beers on tap. I ordered one, and was contently sipping it when the game began. I had a second one during the second half. When I was walking back home a little after noon, I was pleasantly tipsy. 





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Reply #3115 on: August 04, 2024, 08:18:08 PM
“I mean, isn't ‘Happy Hour’ any time?” — Johnny Depp

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Reply #3116 on: August 11, 2024, 12:54:54 PM


TIL why Dairy Queen can't legally call their soft serve cones, ice cream. Federal law requires that ice cream have a minimum of 10% milkfat (AKA butterfat) and DQ soft serve has only 5%.




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Reply #3117 on: August 12, 2024, 03:58:15 PM
Lt Joe Kennedy, Jr and America's first combat drones -

Eighty years ago, on August 12, 1944, Lieutenant Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. perished in one of the first American fatalities associated with a pilotless aircraft, which we usually know today as a drone or unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). The older brother of future president, John F. Kennedy, was taking part in an extraordinary secret war being waged across the English Channel with new generations of exotic weapons. Only a week after D-Day, the German Army began launching V-1 “buzz-bombs” from the French coast toward London and was preparing for a barrage of even more fantastical weapons, including the V-2 rocket and a super-cannon – the Hochdruckpumpe that constituted the third of their “V-weapons.”

The Nazi leadership initially believed that V-2s and the Hochdruckpumpe could be made resistant to allied bombers by placing their infrastructure in vast fortified complexes of steel-reinforced concrete located in the Pas de Calais at Siracourt (V-1), Watten (V-2), Wizernes (V-2), and Mimoyecques (V-3). Allied aerial reconnaissance revealed these massive efforts of military engineering for what they were and the Allied Expeditionary Air Force headquarters ordered extensive bombing campaigns against the structures. These raids were highly disruptive to their construction, but they could not guarantee the effective destruction of the bunker complexes. The fortified sites were also surrounded by extremely heavy concentrations of anti-aircraft defenses and by the time of Kennedy’s death, hundreds of Allied aircraft had been lost attacking these and other V-weapon sites. By the spring of 1944, Lt. Gen. James Doolittle, commander of the Eighth Air Force had ordered development of a joint Army Air Forces and Navy program to use pilotless “war-weary” bombers to carry vast quantities of high explosive that could unseat the foundations of the V-weapon complexes that were impervious to conventional bombs. The Army Air Forces contributed tired B-17s and the Navy offered up some of its own fatigued PB4Y-1s (the Navy version of the B-24D). Once modified with drone equipment, the B-17 drone (designated BQ-7) and the PB4Y-1 (designated BQ-8) were to be flown by remote control to the target using a mother ship, which had an operator who would use a television scope to monitor the controls.

Though run by the Army Air Forces, the Navy was essential to this program as it had far more experience with droning full-scale aircraft. The word “drone” in connection with pilotless aircraft originated with the U.S. Navy when it borrowed the British concept of using full-scale remotely piloted aircraft to teach the increasingly complex task of naval anti-aircraft gunnery. “Drone” was an acknowledgement of the program’s British “Queen Bee” origin. By the start of World War II, the Navy had begun regular training operations with full-scale target drones. The Army also pursued drone technology, but had gone a different route by focusing on small, low-cost types developed by the Hollywood actor, Reginald Denny. Doolittle’s Project Aphrodite (Army) and Anvil (Navy) represented the marriage of the Navy’s pilotless aircraft experience with RCA’s advances in television. This marriage was an uneasy one with control and autopilot technology sufficiently immature to make the top secret program incredibly risky, but the perceived benefits justified the potential costs. Nonetheless, a human crew had to manually fly the aircraft off the ground to ensure that it did not go out of control on an Allied base or devastate a British population center. The two-man crew would then engage the autopilot, verify its functionality and bail out as the aircraft approached the British coast. It was for this incredibly hazardous undertaking that Kennedy volunteered. The Aphrodite and Anvil operations against the four major V-weapon complexes began on August 4, 1944. Only the raid against the Wizernes site came even close to a success with the aircraft detonating near the construction. The Germans were suitably mystified as to what caused the aircraft to detonate with such force and why there were no traces of guns or a crew in the remnants. Unfortunately, one pilot was lost when one of the BQ-7s went out of control over the English countryside.

Kennedy, who volunteered for special duty with the newly formed Special Attack Unit One (SAU-1) from his regular anti-submarine patrol squadron, VPB-110 (which also provided the PB4Y-1s), was assigned to make the Navy’s first raid under Anvil. On August 12, Kennedy boarded PB4Y-1 #32771 with his copilot, Lt. Wilford J. Willy, to fly it to the coast where PV-1 mother ships would take over control to guide the drone to its target at Mimoyecques. Once airborne, Kennedy joined what was perhaps the most unusual American combat formation of World War II. It consisted of four P-51 Mustangs to provide top cover, two P-38s and two Mosquitos as weather and observation aircraft, a B-17 to act as a navigational pathfinder, a B-17 to act as a radio relay platform, and two PV-1s, one serving as the mother ship and another in reserve as a spare. Around 6:20 pm, the formation passed eight miles southeast of Halesworth at an altitude of 610 meters (2,000 feet). Suddenly, 32771 and its nearly 10,000 kilograms (22,000 pounds) of the revolutionary Torpex high explosive detonated nearly destroying other aircraft in the formation. Kennedy and Willy had no chance of survival. Fortunately, their flight path had largely avoided populated areas and there were no casualties on the ground. The engines were the only pieces of the aircraft that survived in a recognizable form. A definitive cause was never found, though speculation has centered on inadequate electrical shielding that allowed premature activation of one of the Torpex detonators. Navy enthusiasm soon evaporated for the mission and though one droned PB4Y-1 made it to its target, the service’s interest in continuing the program evaporated. The Army Air Forces continued Aphrodite missions with its B-17s until the beginning of 1945. None were successful. By that time, Allied forces had liberated all of the large V-weapon bunker complexes. None had become operational and in fact, the Germans appeared to realize that there was no chance that the sites could become operational once Allied intelligence appreciated their significance, so they used them as decoys and traps to draw bombing raids from the real infrastructure of the V-weapon campaigns. Even if this was not the case, conventional bombing had prevented their completion and a new generation of British heavy bombs – the Tallboys – proved to be capable of doing the damage that the drones could not. Sadly, Tallboys were already in operation a little over a month before Kennedy’s death and the Aphrodite drone program gained a legacy of being a tragic waste of resources.

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Reply #3118 on: August 12, 2024, 05:40:19 PM
Thanks so much Rick. I've read a lot about WW2, but never this story..

I did know Joe Kennedy was killed in the war but never thes details.

Joseph Sr. had good t all planned that his son would be President. When he was killed this account that mantle landed on JFK.

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Reply #3119 on: August 12, 2024, 06:58:23 PM
Wow. Thanks Rick. That was a TIL.

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