What did you learn today TIL

[MissBarbara]

Whataboutism seems to be running rampant these days.

#Resist

I'd never heard that before -- and I love it!

I also refer to it as the "Hey! But you guys did it too!" argument.

[Katiebee]

The lemming syndrome.

[Levorotatory]

A new word..........Tu quoque

Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwiː/, also /tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin for, "you also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).

Tu quoque "argument" follows the pattern:

Person A makes claim X.

Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.

Therefore X is false.

It's one of my favorite phrases, and it's a fallacy that's employed constantly on political commentary and social media sites.

The most current example (well, a combination of tu quoque and a straw man argument):

The Left has been going after Roy Moore, but they're ignoring the charges against Al Frankin.

Or, my personal favorite, the Liberal Media has condemned Roy Moore, but they gave a complete pass to Bill Clinton.

Or the climate change deniers going on about Al Gore owning mansions and flying around the world.  The message isn't wrong just because the messenger may be a hypocrite.

[_priapism]

The University of Wisconsin Stout has a BS in Industrial Packaging degree.  All those confounding boxes and plastic shells that drive you crazy, were designed by engineers who specialize in product protection and display.  And there is a *huge* demand for this.  100% placement for grads.

[_priapism]

Or, my personal favorite, the Liberal Media has condemned Roy Moore, but they gave a complete pass to Bill Clinton.

I think it is a credit to changing awareness.  Clinton did get a pass 20 years ago.  I doubt he could have won the Presidency today.  The other major difference is being a creep molesting children is not the same thing as being a creepy philandering husband.  And Franklin?  Bad behavior, no excuses.  But no one is screaming to tear down the George H.W. Bush Library.  I think the vast majority of men have engaged in boorish behavior, had their hands pushed away, or tried to coerce a woman (or man) into having sex at one or more times in their lives.  I have, and so have a lot of others.  Hopefully we are evolving into a higher awareness, and mores are changing for the better.  Can’t happen soon enough.

[MissBarbara]

Or, my personal favorite, the Liberal Media has condemned Roy Moore, but they gave a complete pass to Bill Clinton.

I think it is a credit to changing awareness.  Clinton did get a pass 20 years ago.  I doubt he could have won the Presidency today.  The other major difference is being a creep molesting children is not the same thing as being a creepy philandering husband.  And Franklin?  Bad behavior, no excuses.  But no one is screaming to tear down the George H.W. Bush Library.  I think the vast majority of men have engaged in boorish behavior, had their hands pushed away, or tried to coerce a woman (or man) into having sex at one or more times in their lives.  I have, and so have a lot of others.  Hopefully we are evolving into a higher awareness, and mores are changing for the better.  Can’t happen soon enough.

While I agree that, were his past known while he was a candidate, Bill Clinton likely would not be elected today, he hardly was given a "pass" by the media -- or by anyone else save Nina Burleigh. Jeez, Merv, you're sounding a lot like the Right Wing bloggers who argue media conspiracy in comparing the cases of Clinton and Roy Moore!

I agree that there is are distinct degrees of gravity between what Bill Clinton, Roy Moore, and Al Franken did. And I also agree that there is a distinct degree of gravity between firmly pulling your boyfriend's hand away as it wanders to your breast while snuggling in a movie theater and what Roy Moore did.

I'm trying really hard not to step up onto my soapbox (and I realize this is a non-1408 thread) but I think the time has come to call STOP. We have to stop letting politics come before common sense, and stop letting polemics come before common decency. A sexual assault is a sexual assault, no matter by whom or against whom. And until Americans cast their politics and polemics aside, these assaults will continue. That's the way mores will change for the better.

[MintJulie]

.......... and mores are changing for the better.  Can’t happen soon enough.

.....that's the way mores will change for the better.

I thought it was an error with Mervs post, then read it in MissB's.    I'm feeling a bit unintelligent right now.   I think I'll be offline the rest of the weekend to study the dictionary.

[ChirpingGirl]

Cake makes things better.

[MissBarbara]

.......... and mores are changing for the better.  Can’t happen soon enough.

.....that's the way mores will change for the better.

I thought it was an error with Mervs post, then read it in MissB's.    I'm feeling a bit unintelligent right now.   I think I'll be offline the rest of the weekend to study the dictionary.

I'll never tire of repeating this: Knowledge and Intelligence are two very different things.

I've studied/worked at educational institutions for the past 20 years (wow, MissBarbara is suddenly feeling very old), I'm a voracious reader, and I love language, so I know a lot of $10 words. Big deal. It doesn't mean I'm smarter than you or anyone else. I just know a lot of words.

The word "mores" basically means the customs, habits, attitude, manners, etc. of a given group. It's pronounced like "more-As" (e.g. "Son, on your report card you should be getting fewers Cs and more As." It's different from morals or ethics, since it doesn't necessarily have a religious or philosophical basis.

So, put away your dictionary! (Or, use it to have deliciously kinky sex with your beau next time you're together.)

[KitKat]

Cake makes things better.

Yumm!

[IdleBoast]

I've studied/worked at educational institutions for the past 20 years (wow, MissBarbara is suddenly feeling very old)

Twenty? Pfft!

Twenty-seven years here, studying or working in Post-16 education. The next birthday has a zero at the end...

I'm with you on loving language, especially the etymology side* - knowing where words come from really helps you understand them and to manipulate them in fun and creative ways, and also gives you a link to your own culture's history (so much of British English comes from our colonial history, or can be traced back to the various invasions we suffered before we became a single kingdom - Norman, the various Germanic nations, Viking).


(*Hands up, who thought I was talking about insects and had to check?)

[_priapism]

(*Hands up, who thought I was talking about insects and had to check?)

Surely sir, you jest.

I think my love of language followed my love of reading.  Growing up in a small town, novels, history, science, and geographical texts took my thoughts and mind away.  I mispronounced some of the words I learned, because I had never heard them in a conversation.

My home is full of books, and I encourage my children to read.  I even bribe them, but it is a new century and a new, bookless generation.  We will all be the worse for it.

[ChirpingGirl]

I learned I shouldn't screw around with my mom's phone because I put this as a ringtone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmohO7aK--U

The women's of the house were having a conversation when suddenly she got a call and everyone but me almost had a heart attack. 

Which is good because it literally would have killed me. And also gave it away because I was the only one who didn't jump in terror. Serves her right for having it up so loud. Which I also set. And for her leaving it out where I could fuck with it. 


Everyone has vowed to hide their phones from me because I have a history of fucking with their ringtones.  The wife won't let me touch hers since I put the power rangers theme on hers. 

[_priapism]

I set my ex’s ringtone to 2 Live Crew’s “Me So Horny,” and turned the volume all the way up.  She was in a conference at work, when it went off the first time.   

[KitKat]

I set my ex’s ringtone to 2 Live Crew’s “Me So Horny,” and turned the volume all the way up.  She was in a conference at work, when it went off the first time.   

 

[Lois]

that is so bad.  Did she get fired?

[_priapism]

that is so bad.  Did she get fired?

No.  I’m sure all her coworkers loved it, because she was just as big a soulless bitch at work, as she was at home.  I saved all of her racist sexist rants from work, and planned to send them to her branch manager, but in the end, I figured she’ll get what she deserves.

[Hades]

Lamp of Love


An obsolete, 19 th century literary metaphor for

How on earth did they come up with that metaphor?  And what's the male metaphor then? Lamppost of love?

[Hades]

Back dimples!

I'd never actually given them much thought until I saw MissB's post... I know some girls have them, some don't.  I'm not that much of an ass guy so I was never all that curious about them.
Did some googeling and I found this article...

Having Venus dimples is considered special for quite a few reasons. Possessing them are said to bring blessings and good luck.

The most interesting tidbit however, is that these tiny dents are known to be an erogenous zone for the frisky! If that isn’t a direct link to Venus herself, what is? The presence of back dimples is said to be the reason for heightened pleasure during intimacy. This is due to their connection to healthy circulation in the pelvic region. Lovers like to press them and affectionately call them “thumb handles”, signifying how they hold their mates.

In terms of beauty, you may observe that some people have their dimples pierced to add a touch of whimsy. This has become a trendy practice among women so they can accentuate their looks with low rise jeans, short tops, or bikinis. Corset makers use back dimples as a measuring marker around the hips for proper fitting. Although women and men both can have them, Venus Dimples seem to be an attractive trait in women.

If you’ve never paid attention to them on yourself or anyone else, perhaps the Venus has inspired you to check them out. You can even find them on Facebook! Do you have Venus dimples? Have you always wondered where they came from? Tell us in the comments!

[Lois]

I found out today that Maple Syrup is made in Michigan!  I always thought it was just a Vermont thing.