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Reply #160 on: November 29, 2016, 06:43:36 PM
Really?

Bannon is such a stalwart conservative without any taint of the alt right. Sessions is such a civil rights supporter.

There is a big differences between putting my head in the sand and having my eyes open to the backgrounds of these people. Jesus, even the neo-cons have serious reservations over the people in Trumps camp.

Is that to say you're not for civil rights, or are you being facetious?
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Reply #161 on: November 29, 2016, 07:56:12 PM
Because The Commander in Cheeto can pick and choose which parts of the constitution he ignores... particularly the 1st.


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Really?

Bannon is such a stalwart conservative without any taint of the alt right. Sessions is such a civil rights supporter.

There is a big differences between putting my head in the sand and having my eyes open to the backgrounds of these people. Jesus, even the neo-cons have serious reservations over the people in Trumps camp.

Sorry. The flag is a symbol of our country and our freedom. Have to go with Trump on that one. I would venture to say, a hell of a lot of citizens, regardless of party affiliation, feel the same way.

http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-texas-v-johnson

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The majority of the Court, according to Justice William Brennan, agreed with Johnson and held that flag burning constitutes a form of "symbolic speech" that is protected by the First Amendment. The majority noted that freedom of speech protects actions that society may find very offensive, but society's outrage alone is not justification for suppressing free speech.

In particular, the majority noted that the Texas law discriminated upon viewpoint, i.e., although the law punished actions, such as flag burning, that might arouse anger in others, it specifically exempted from prosecution actions that were respectful of venerated objects, e.g., burning and burying a worn-out flag. The majority said that the government could not discriminate in this manner based solely upon viewpoint.

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(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

You seem ignorant, much like the President-elect.

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Reply #162 on: November 29, 2016, 08:02:31 PM
Sorry. The flag is a symbol of our country and our freedom. Have to go with Trump on that one. I would venture to say, a hell of a lot of citizens, regardless of party affiliation, feel the same way.



I know I've said this before, but I just don't even see why flag burning is such a big deal? If you really want people to stop doing it then stop reacting to it.

I find flag burning to be incredibly childish, as with any attention getting stunt In lieu of an actual argument. It just shows they have nothing to say and are subsequently reduced to shock value imagery. So why reward the behaviour?

While you're waiting in vain for that apology, why don't you make yourself useful by getting on your knees and opening your mouth


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Reply #163 on: November 29, 2016, 09:00:32 PM
Because The Commander in Cheeto can pick and choose which parts of the constitution he ignores... particularly the 1st.


I'm with you Gina!
Really?

Bannon is such a stalwart conservative without any taint of the alt right. Sessions is such a civil rights supporter.

There is a big differences between putting my head in the sand and having my eyes open to the backgrounds of these people. Jesus, even the neo-cons have serious reservations over the people in Trumps camp.

Sorry. The flag is a symbol of our country and our freedom. Have to go with Trump on that one. I would venture to say, a hell of a lot of citizens, regardless of party affiliation, feel the same way.
sensualtraveler, my father, an infantry officer, and enthusiastic supporter and defender of the Constitution, does not agree with you.

In fact, I daresay, he would suggest that you are a domestic enemy of that same Constitution.

He would also offer the opinion that the flag has less import than colors. But then, he's a soldier.
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Reply #164 on: November 29, 2016, 09:01:57 PM
Really?

Bannon is such a stalwart conservative without any taint of the alt right. Sessions is such a civil rights supporter.

There is a big differences between putting my head in the sand and having my eyes open to the backgrounds of these people. Jesus, even the neo-cons have serious reservations over the people in Trumps camp.
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Is that to say you're not for civil rights, or are you being facetious?
i am being sarcastic
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Reply #165 on: November 29, 2016, 09:58:31 PM
My thanks to Toechief for this one:

Those Who Failed to Recognize Trump as 'Greater Evil' Made a 'Bad Mistake': Chomsky
"I didn't like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump's on every issue I can think of"

By Deirdre Fulton / commondreams.org

Leftist scholar Noam Chomsky has a message for voters who refused to cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton to prevent Donald Trump from winning the White House: You made a "bad mistake."

On both moral and practical levels, Chomsky told Al Jazeera's Medhi Hasan, the choice was clear.

"Do you vote against the greater evil if you don't happen to like the other candidate?" asked Chomsky, who spoke out during the election against Trump's candidacy—and in fact predicted his rise six years ago. "The answer to that is yes."

With an argument similar to the one made by political scientist Adolph Reed prior to the election, Chomsky insists that voters did not have to ignore Clinton's serious shortcomings in order to recognize Trump as the much more serious threat.

"I didn't like Clinton at all, but her positions are much better than Trump's on every issue I can think of," the professor emeritus of linguistics at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) told Hasan. Chomsky supported Bernie Sanders during the Democratic presidential primary.
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Chomsky also objected to philosopher Slavoj Zizek's post-election argument that Trump's victory would "shake up" status quo. "Terrible point," Chomsky said of Zizek's take. "It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early 30s."

"He'll 'shake up the system' in bad ways," Chomsky said of the president-elect. "What it means is now the left—if Clinton had won, she had some progressive programs. The left could have been organized, to keeping her feet to the fire. What it will be doing now is trying to protect rights...gains that have been achieved, from being destroyed. That's completely regressive."

Indeed, Chomsky further warned in the aftermath of the election: "The outcome placed total control of the government—executive, Congress, the Supreme Court—in the hands of the Republican Party, which has become the most dangerous organization in world history."

The GOP "is dedicated to racing as rapidly as possible to destruction of organized human life. There is no historical precedent for such a stand."

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http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/those-who-failed-to-recognize-trump-as-greater-evil-made-a-bad-mistake-chomsky/
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more:
https://www.democracynow.org/2016/5/16/chomsky_on_supporting_sanders_why_he

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-noam-chomsky-white-mortality_us_56cf8618e4b0bf0dab31838f

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/05/noam-chomsky-predicted-rise-trump-six-years-ago

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/08/18/vote-lying-neoliberal-warmonger-its-important

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upfront/2016/11/zizek-electing-trump-shake-system-161116062713933.html

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/38360-trump-in-the-white-house-an-interview-with-noam-chomsky



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Reply #166 on: November 30, 2016, 02:55:42 AM
Does that mean I should start stockpiling ammo?

If you need firearms, I have a selection.

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Reply #167 on: November 30, 2016, 07:02:40 AM
Does that mean I should start stockpiling ammo?


You weren't already doing that?

While you're waiting in vain for that apology, why don't you make yourself useful by getting on your knees and opening your mouth


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Reply #168 on: November 30, 2016, 07:07:15 AM
Well, yea. But do I need to stockpile in the biblical, national debt level?

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Reply #169 on: November 30, 2016, 03:03:38 PM
Sorry Katie, no matter how much you stockpile, the armed forces have more.



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Reply #170 on: November 30, 2016, 06:30:00 PM
Asymetrical warfare dictates that you use the opposing forces supplies for your own.

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Reply #171 on: December 01, 2016, 03:31:19 AM
Why not bring them to your side?



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Reply #172 on: December 01, 2016, 04:12:54 AM
That's part of the strategy, suborn the soldiers, sap their will to fight.

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Reply #173 on: December 02, 2016, 07:47:33 PM
It would seem that Trump is so terrified of the recounts in the states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan that he has filed legal challenges against them.

One would think he would support the recounts, that Jill Stein is paying for, in order to confirm his legitimacy.

I would also like to see an audit of the election in California to investigate Trump's claim that millions of illegal votes were cast there.



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Reply #174 on: December 02, 2016, 08:47:02 PM
Liars do not like efforts to prove the truth.

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Reply #175 on: December 06, 2016, 02:12:50 AM
I found this here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/things-i-blame-for-hillary-clintons-loss-ranked_us_58459894e4b0496fbcb0c26d

I've removed some of the items and left only those I agree with.


1-199. MISOGYNY

This is why they chant “lock her up” and “Trump that b*tch.” It’s why people can’t quite put a finger on it, but they just don’t like the cut of her jib. It’s why they see her as shrill and scolding and corrupt ― not sufficiently warm, not the kind of person they want to grab a beer with. It’s why, following a tried-and-true pop culture paradigm — from Lady Macbeth to Claire Underwood — they see her as hungry for power and willing to do anything — even murder — to get what she wants. It’s why 2016’s answer to most election-related questions is, “It’s the misogyny, stupid!”


201. FAKE NEWS

This, like almost everything on this list, is a subset of the misogyny. But these were among the stories that were circulating on the web — and that people believed — about Hillary Clinton during the campaign.

She’s got Parkinson’s or MS and is covering it up.
She has a body double, whom she trots out when she is too ill to appear in public
She murdered a DNC staffer, among many others
She exchanged “signals” with Lester Holt from the debate stage.
She runs a child pedophilia ring out of pizza parlor in D.C. (And as we saw this weekend, this kind of fake news can have real consequences.)
I could go on…

202. JAMES COMEY

When FBI director James Comey announced that his office would not be filing charges against Hillary Clinton, he did it in the most scolding, damning language possible. His statement, where he called her “extremely careless,” was unprecedented. Nonetheless, the Clinton campaign took this embarrassing public reproach and thanked him, happy the whole thing was behind them. Oh, if only they had been so lucky. Not content to have damaged her reputation with his public statement, Comey waited until 11 days before the election to announce that he was reopening the case, investigating new emails related to Anthony Weiner. (The Weiner bit was a particularly damning touch, reminding people of Bill’s infidelities.)

As the Trump campaign celebrated and gloated — and Americans were essentially told: This is who Clinton is, a woman who will be forever dogged by scandal — a hasty release was issued a day before the election, clearing Clinton (again!) of all wrongdoing (the emails on Weiner’s server were duplicates). This was the biggest November Surprise in the history of November Surprises and it never should’ve happened.

203. RUSSIA/WIKILEAKS

I love how we’re all pretending that Russia didn’t have a clear horse in the race — Trump — and didn’t do, what seems to be, everything in their power — hacking the DNC, hacking John Podesta, disseminating fake news — to get him elected. While we weren’t looking, Russia just won an information war against us.

204. THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

Eventually, they got better at calling out Trump for his lies, incompetence and corruption, but they continued to act as though Hillary’s emails were an equally big deal (they spent like three times as much time discussing her emails as they did on all of her policy proposals combined), and continued to let Trump’s surrogates run roughshod over cable news, assassinating Hillary’s character (remember the handcuffs?) and lying about her, smugly, sanctimoniously, and with impunity. Quite simply, the media failed us.


206. THE CLOSE TO 100 MILLION WHO DIDN’T VOTE

What the hell is wrong with you people?

207. VOTER SUPPRESSION

Some people who wanted to vote couldn’t. Without the protections of the Voting Rights Act, Republicans were able to suppress the vote in several key states.

208. HILLARY’S MESSAGE

Bernie made promises: Free college! Trump made promises: Build that wall! Save American jobs! But Hillary, a policy wonk who understands the nature of incremental change, could never bring herself to spout slogans. I don’t think she should’ve made false promises, necessarily, but perhaps a few concrete soundbites would’ve gone a long way.


210. HILLARY’S SUPPORTERS

We took to the corners of the Internet for a variety of reasons — mostly because of (duh) the misogyny. But we should’ve been louder and prouder and worn our allegiance in public, shutting down the narrative that we were unenthusiastic. I was a pretty public supporter. But that being said, I can’t tell you how many times I expressed my devotion to Hillary — and my anger at the unfair, widespread anti-Hillary tactics — in a locked FB group when I should’ve been screaming it from the rafters.

Things I don’t blame:

1. HILLARY HERSELF.

She won every debate. She came up with well thought out, concrete plans to govern. She carried herself with dignity and grace, despite all the endless, misogynist shit that was hurled at her. She was nothing short of heroic.




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Reply #176 on: December 11, 2016, 11:12:34 PM
That finishes it, right? Rex Tillerson, head of Exxon Mobil, business associate of Vladimir Putin, will apparently be nominated for Secretary of State.



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Reply #177 on: December 11, 2016, 11:46:49 PM
But there is no Russian influence in the Trump administration.

How the mighty have fallen.. we are to be a puppet state of Russia.

But we can trust Putin, right? Everyone knows how uproot ex-KGB are.

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