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Reply #60 on: April 21, 2016, 01:57:51 AM
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DO you think you could win $20k with that?

https://ecowatch.com/2016/04/20/bill-nye-challenges-joe-bastardi/


You've quoted that twice, now.  You *do* know that the 'greenhouse gas' experiment that Bill Nye 'performed' for Al Gore was dry-labbed, right?  The photo of the thermometers was faked, too.  Years later, someone tried to duplicate the experiment exactly.  Not only was it impossible due the simple fact that the setup described flat couldn't ever work, but when they modified the setup for what SHOULD have been done to show that experiment correctly, it didn't.... show... ANYTHING.  The experiment was a total bust.

So, Bill Nye may be a nice guy, but he's A FUCKING ACTOR.  Reality doesn't enter into it when you're talking entertainment or politics.  *I* probably know more climate science than he does, and I'm an electronics weenie.

"I'm not a doctor, although I play one on TV.  I'd like to tell you about a new drug that ...." ~ the guy that played Marcus Welby, giving medical advice AFTER telling you that he didn't know shit from shinola about medicine.  Yeah, people fell for that crap.  Humans are easily deceived.  If I say that 94% of statistics are flat wrong, then 3/4ths of you won't check it and will probably believe it.  ;D  By the way, that statistic was part of the 94%.

Just to remind y'all, I'm neither conservative nor liberal.  I laugh at both sides of the issue, and only look at valid data and models that appear to track (both forwards and backwards).  I'm a realist, so if you can provide PROOF that I'm wrong, then I'll change my attitudes.  I've done it before on other issues, but so far I'm not seeing anything worth switching over on the fake 'global warming' scare story.

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Reply #61 on: June 03, 2016, 03:05:01 PM
(Bill Nye - the only actor to design and build parts of both the 747 and a Mars Lander.)

Anyhoo...

http://earthsky.org/earth/lake-mead-reaches-a-record-low-2016

Down to 37% and still falling - that's short by about 23 trillion litres of drinking water.




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Reply #62 on: June 03, 2016, 04:25:39 PM
(Bill Nye - the only actor to design and build parts of both the 747 and a Mars Lander.)

Anyhoo...

http://earthsky.org/earth/lake-mead-reaches-a-record-low-2016

Down to 37% and still falling - that's short by about 23 trillion litres of drinking water.



Don't worry about it. Nestle will sell you all the water you need for a fair price.



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Reply #63 on: June 03, 2016, 05:35:26 PM
Almost all commercial bottled water is just tap water...




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Reply #64 on: June 03, 2016, 09:16:20 PM
Almost all commercial bottled water is just tap water...



That's probably why we don't buy it anymore and just filter our own.



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Reply #65 on: November 18, 2016, 03:30:47 AM
http://realclimatescience.com/2016/11/noaa-september-temperature-fraud/

Read it and weep... more NOAA / Hansen fraud, such a shocker!

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Reply #66 on: November 18, 2016, 03:58:47 PM
The deniers are going to have a harder and harder time pretending our hotter and hotter summers aren't happening. 



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Reply #67 on: November 18, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
The deniers are going to have a harder and harder time pretending our hotter and hotter summers aren't happening. 

Not just our summers.  This year will go down as the hottest on record.  Heck, since November started here it has been in the upper 60s where average is upper 40s.

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Reply #68 on: November 18, 2016, 04:36:41 PM

The deniers are going to have a harder and harder time pretending our hotter and hotter summers aren't happening. 


Not just our summers.  This year will go down as the hottest on record.  Heck, since November started here it has been in the upper 60s where average is upper 40s.


You have to keep in mind that "the record" is a very relative thing. The Earth is more than 6 billion years old, and accurate record keeping of this type date back only about 125 years.

But Lois and Watcher are still correct. I heard a report on CNN this morning that the snow packs (I think that was the term) atop mountains in the U.S. are the smallest they've been in many decades.

Lois puts her finger precisely on the problem. The overwhelming, seemingly irrefutable body of evidence for this occurring has forced the climate change deniers to try even harder -- and more absurdly -- to deny this is happening.

Then again, most deniers of this type (e.g. evolution deniers), must do so in the face of an overwhelmingly convincing body of evidence to the contrary. Though, it's clear, "an overwhelmingly convincing body of evidence to the contrary" never seems to stand in their way, or to deter them.





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Reply #69 on: November 18, 2016, 05:53:29 PM
In the North Pole area, the ice mass is melting at unprecedented levels.

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Reply #70 on: November 19, 2016, 03:06:57 AM

I call bullshit...  http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/   :emot_kiss:

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Reply #71 on: November 19, 2016, 04:17:29 AM



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Reply #72 on: November 19, 2016, 01:34:09 PM
http://xkcd.com/1732/

fun comic

Hey that comic was pretty cool......
Fun to read also.
 ;D

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Reply #73 on: November 22, 2016, 01:44:00 AM
Global Warming Melts Polar Ice To Record Lows As Temperatures Rise Under Climate Change Effects
BY HIMANSHU GOENKA  11/21/16

They are quite literally poles apart but both the North Pole and the South Pole have something unfortunate in common at the moment: They are both seeing the lowest levels of sea ice since modern record-keeping began.

News about the Arctic sea ice being at its lowest level ever for this time of the year — it hits its minimum in September and starts to build up again in October as the six-monthlong polar winter sets in — came a few days ago. Temperatures near North Pole are said to be 36 degrees higher than normal for this time of the year, and the sea ice level — which has fallen by about half since records began in 1979 — is lesser than its previous low of 2012.

On the other end of Earth, Antarctica behaves very differently from the Arctic, and many years have seen an increase in Antarctic sea ice. In fact, after increasing for three consecutive years, Antarctic sea ice had reached its maximum recorded extent in 2014 before falling back to average levels in 2015, but as NASA pointed out, the decrease in Arctic sea ice was three times greater than the increase seen in the Antarctic at the time.

The increase in Antarctic sea ice levels is often cited by climate change skeptics and deniers as evidence for their arguments (“If climate change is real, why doesn’t it affect the South Pole ice?” or other similar arguments), but now, latest data collected by NASA shows that Antarctic sea ice is also at a record low for this time of the year.

In a statement, NASA said: “Antarctica is heading into austral summer, a period of rapid sea ice melt in the Southern Ocean. But this year the sea ice loss has been particularly swift and the Antarctic sea ice extent is currently at the lowest level for this time of year ever recorded in the satellite record, which began in 1979.”

Walt Meier, a research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Laboratory at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, told CNN: “It looks like, since the beginning of October, that for the first time we are seeing both the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice running at record low levels.”

The observation is no proof that it will become a trend but it certainly quashes claims that Antarctic sea ice was constantly increasing. Climate change is a complex collection of various phenomena, affecting different parts of the planet differently, and global warming is only one aspect of it.

http://www.ibtimes.com/global-warming-melts-polar-ice-record-lows-temperatures-rise-under-climate-change-2449072



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Reply #74 on: November 22, 2016, 04:51:47 AM
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"Temperatures near North Pole are said to be 36 degrees higher than normal for this time of the year..."

Kindly see UAH's data, which tells you that they're LYING to you.  Newsies are all about sensationalism, which sells readership.  Science is frequently pretty ho-hum.

http://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/2016/October/OCTOBER%202016.png

November data is of course not available yet.

Again, SCIENCE, not scary stories.  Yes, the Arctic ice is at it's lowest level in a long time, but it's not at troubling levels yet.  I'm confuzzled as to why the accretion rate has slowed in the last few weeks, though.  I don't see a mechanism for that.

Areas of the Arctic are up to 4.5C higher than 'nominal', yet just as many areas are 4.5C COOLER than that same 'nominal' average for this time of year.  In essence, it's about like normal up there, with some lingering effects from the unusually strong El Niño last winter.  Yeah, remember that global temp spike that had nothing whatsoever to do with man-made 'global warming'?  We're still paying for that.

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Reply #75 on: November 22, 2016, 09:43:05 PM
   Please list here the amount of extra money you sent last April 15, to the US Government, for their use in fighting climate change.

   Anything?

   Lois?

   Barbara?

   Rick?

   Fill in the blank... _$___,____.__

   Go ahead, and round it off for easy addition to the nearest $100.00 of extra money you donated to save the planet, or whatever else the US Government may wish to spend it on, since you are so convinced The End Is Near, and this Man Made Catastrophe can be fixed, by squandering Trillions of your money now, on your behalf, of course.

   How about next April 15? Got some set aside already to pledge?

   Why not? If this is such an important issue to you, that you think Trillions of US Taxpayer Dollars should be spent upon it.

   Or, do you agree, that NOT ONE DIME of U.S. Taxpayer money should be spent on anything without a direct, and demonstrable positive effect, times x10, I would venture, in immediate payout for said United States taxpayers.


The deniers are going to have a harder and harder time pretending our hotter and hotter summers aren't happening. 

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Reply #76 on: November 22, 2016, 11:47:16 PM
   
 

   Or, do you agree, that NOT ONE DIME of U.S. Taxpayer money should be spent on anything without a direct, and demonstrable positive effect, times x10, I would venture, in immediate payout for said United States taxpayers.




You ask the physically impossible here.
Climate change occurs over many many years, and there will not nor will there ever be an "immediate" effect to correct it (ever). The problem is the solution. We know what we did, we know the pollution in the air and water, "what we need" to do is stop it so that the future generations will have fresh water, fresh air and a chance to live normally. shrugging our shoulders and saying that it's not our problem, let the next generation take care of it only leads to an environment disaster that we will not be able to recover from (and then it's to late).

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Reply #77 on: November 23, 2016, 03:09:54 AM
Yes, but the real issue is the lies and damned lies.

The ONLY issue we've addressed that had an impact in actual conditions was limiting production of CFCs.  The levels have been dropping since around 2000 (I'm going from memory, here) and they're finally seeing a difference in the ozone holes at the poles.

Of course, it's also been several years of low sunspot activity, which could also account for the healing of the ozone.  Nothing is guaranteed when you're trying to dick about with something as complex as a PLANET.

The 'carbon tax' the Libs would like to impose is wholly political fantasy.  There's ZERO provable data that shows that carbon dioxide does ANYTHING to the climate.  Historically, the CO2 levels have been up to 4 times higher than they are today, and the planet was COLDER than it is now.  CO2 isn't the Evil Influence, it's plant food.

For ~150 years during the Roman era, the planet was warmer than it is today.  Guess what happened?  The planet recovered again.  PLEASE don't tell me that the Romans started driving Electric Chariots with a Prius logo on the front as the 'cure' to the methane farts of the stallions they'd been driving.  Mankind didn't cause that bump, and we did NOTHING to make it 'better'.  It was warmer, then got cooler again over many, many years.  That's called 'Climate'.  What I've seen people wring their hands over is called 'Weather'.  In the long run, the 'Weather' will average out as it's primarily driven by atmospheric water and cloud cover, to a lesser extent by oscillations in the ocean currents, and there's little to no effect from most other atmospheric components.  Yes, a big volcano (or string of them) can produce 'deep winters', but that goes away once the airborne contaminants do.  If you're worried about 'global warming', then you ought to be driving a big-block V8 and be pumping clouds of exhaust to help cloud formation.  Merely a suggestion...

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Reply #78 on: November 23, 2016, 04:56:59 AM
Even Watts Up With That has a graph showing the correlation between CO2 levels and temperature:




Correlation by itself does not imply causation, but the mechanism to explain the causation is well established and easily measured - CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, impeding the escape of heat from the planet:




Yes, Earth's climate has been changing since the planet formed, but few natural changes have matched the rate of change we have now, and those tend to be associated with mass extinctions.  The fundamental difference between us and the Romans is that millions of people have become billions of people, whose cumulative impact on the planet is enormous.




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Reply #79 on: November 23, 2016, 04:04:58 PM
And - the cockroach lives on through all of it.

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