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Reply #6560 on: October 06, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
People in the GOP and in Trump’s own campaign stated Trump didn’t condemn white supremacy when asked.  It was referred to as a ‘layup’ that he missed.

And Trump won’t condemn them, ever, because he views them correctly as being on his side.

I am not a Trump fan.  And I don't think it's any surprise that I didn't vote for him in 2016 and will not vote for him in 2020.  I think he's a big goof.  But, I don't think he's a racist.  He's said things that has raised eyebrows.  I don't think he's a racist, I think would say he is unscripted and unpolished and he might not say something 'clean' enough and people run with it.  

And then when people say things often enough such as "He's a racist", "He hasn't condemned white supremacy", people start to believe it.  You can constantly repeat something and people will begin to believe it.



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Reply #6561 on: October 06, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
I didn’t say he never condemned white supremacy.  I said he was specifically asked to do so in the debate and avoided saying it outright.  ‘Stand down and stand by’ not only wasn’t condemnation, it was ominous in its implications that he would be calling on them in the near future.

I don’t think he will condemn white supremacy from now until the election despite doing so when pressed in the past.

As far as being a racist, he is.  But he transcends that concept in that he categorizes people into groups that like him or don’t.  As always, it’s about him, never about the country, never about actual right or wrong, only about him.
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Reply #6562 on: October 07, 2020, 12:12:30 AM
I beleive he is a racist. 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html


And he's certainly done a lot not to offend or alienate the white supremicists and racists in his base.




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Reply #6563 on: October 07, 2020, 01:51:00 AM
Have you ever sat there and just let your phone explode? To recap:

Steven Miller has tested positive for Covid.

The United States Joint Chiefs of Staff are in quarantine, because the commander of the Coast Guard has tested positive for Covid.

Kellyanne Conway’s daughter, who caught it from her mother, says mom told her Trump is actually very sick, and his true condition is being hidden from the public.

Don Jr. says he wanted to perform an “intervention” on his dad, because his behavior is scaring him, but was overruled by Ivanka and Jared Kushner.

Trump tweets there’ll be no further economic stimulus “until I am elected” and the Dow takes a 600 point swing, closing down 375.

Pence says he refuses to debate Harris, if they put up plastic shields. Remember, Trump refused to test, and then breathed all over everyone at the last debate in Cleveland.

And that’s just since noontime... ????‍♂️????‍♂️????‍♂️



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Reply #6564 on: October 07, 2020, 02:03:45 AM
Stephen Miller has it?  I’m starting to question my status as an agnostic/atheist.



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Reply #6565 on: October 07, 2020, 02:08:31 AM
I removed a Non Sequitur political meme posted by eater.  Unless the meme is specifically related to the discussion please keep them in the mindless political meme thread.

 the Dow takes a 600 point swing, closing down 375.<--you can't figure out by now that investors fear anything bad happening to Donald Trump?

the market broke records repeatedly since he was elected and everyone who is afraid biden may win and end our prosperity naturally pulls back investing - if trump is good = economy is good DUH!
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Reply #6566 on: October 09, 2020, 05:17:42 PM
Just when I think he can't sink any lower, The Donald comes through.  He just got done attacking his own people again.

His main toady, A.G. Barr got a blast because he hasn't filed charges against Obama and Biden. WTF.

https://www.startribune.com/trump-lashes-out-at-cabinet-calls-for-political-foes-to-be-indicted/572683882/

As his polls continue to sink lower, he acts more unhinged. I fear what actions he may take next.

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Reply #6567 on: October 09, 2020, 08:31:55 PM
tRrump seems to think he can put people in jail using Russian propaganda as evidence.  Sorry tRump! No can do!  Much as you want to be a dictator the Constitution is in your way and it would be very hard for you to destroy it.  As of today, you still need real evidence to put someone in jail.



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Reply #6568 on: October 11, 2020, 01:56:53 PM
tRrump seems to think he can put people in jail using Russian propaganda as evidence.  Sorry tRump! No can do!  Much as you want to be a dictator the Constitution is in your way and it would be very hard for you to destroy it.  As of today, you still need real evidence to put someone in jail.

the attny. general seems to think he can put people in jail for using their known Russian propaganda hillary clinton bought and gave them to obtain a fisa warrant under false pretenses as evidence

is the correct wording.

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the Constitution is in your way and it would be very hard for you to destroy it.
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repeating falsehoods nonstop is only going to work if you have a large audience such as cnn or msnbc and someone viewed as respected to deliver the falsehoods.

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Reply #6569 on: October 12, 2020, 07:53:06 PM
'He just thinks about himself': America's reckless, ill president

Trump and his circle have disregarded basic health protections and shown willful indifference towards the safety of others

Of all the cornucopia of tone-deaf and offensive remarks made by the president of the United States in almost four years in office, one proposition he made to the American people last week must surely rank among the top 10.

“Don’t be afraid of Covid,” he said in a tweet. “Don’t let it dominate your life.”

Donald Trump posted those words at 2.37pm on 5 October from the luxury of his four-room suite in Walter Reed medical center. He was surrounded by a team of a dozen world-class doctors infusing him with a unique cocktail of experimental drugs for Covid-19 that would have cost an ordinary American hundreds of thousands of dollars to procure.

About an hour earlier, data scientists at Johns Hopkins University released their latest figures for the pandemic. They showed that at least 7.5 million Americans had contracted the disease, and that 209,881 had died – a death rate towering over most developed countries and 2,000 times that of humble Vietnam.

At that same moment, more than half of US states were reporting upticks in infection rates that are almost certain to spike further as winter sets in. Meanwhile, the New England Journal of Medicine was preparing to publish a brutal editorial that would hold the Trump administration directly responsible for tens of thousands of needless Covid-19 deaths, concluding that “anyone else who recklessly squandered lives in this way would be suffering legal consequences”.

As the president said, don’t let Covid dominate your life, don’t be afraid.

Jonathan Reiner, a professor of medicine and surgery at George Washington University medical center, had a visceral reaction when he heard those words. “I was angry. So 210,000 Americans have died, most of them alone. I’m sad to say that they were almost certainly afraid,” he said.

Over the past two weeks, the president and his cohorts have shown a reckless disdain for basic health protections that overshadows even the administration’s past negligence in its response to coronavirus. This time, though, the virus has reared back to bite not just the wider American public but also the inner cadre of the Trump administration.

According to a leaked Fema memo, the number of White House staffers, Republican US senators and top conservative dignitaries who have tested positive for the disease has reached 34. That includes at least 10 members of the Trump administration, headlined by the president and first lady, senior advisers Hope Hicks and Stephen Miller, and five members of the White House press team.

210,000 Americans have died, most of them alone. I’m sad to say that they were almost certainly afraid

Beyond that, three Republican senators have gone down with the disease. The positive test of Charles Ray, the US coast guard admiral, has sent seven out of eight of the joint chiefs of staff – the country’s top military brass – scurrying into quarantine.

It’s hard to know when the current White House Covid outbreak began, because officials have refused to divulge when Trump received his last negative coronavirus test. Given the symptoms that he clearly displayed on a fundraising trip to New Jersey last week, it seems highly likely he was already infected at the first televised presidential debate with Joe Biden at which several members of the Trump family and crew turned up ostentatiously unmasked.

The maskless theme stretched further back to a series of events at the White House the previous weekend, which appear to have acted as incubators – or super-spreaders – of the illness. On Saturday 26 September, about 250 of the elite of the Republican party gathered shoulder-to-shoulder in the Rose Garden to mark Trump’s nomination of Amy Coney Barrett to the US supreme court, with a smaller indoors reception held earlier in the Diplomatic Room.

The next day, 27 September, senior military officers gathered indoors in the East Room of the White House to mark Gold Star Mother’s Day. All of these events were largely without masks, in a brazen violation of recommendations from the administration’s own public health agency, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

At the Rose Garden event, guests were also in aggressive violation of social distancing protocols, spending time in close proximity and even hugging each other. Trump also attended debate preparation sessions in the run-up to his encounter with Biden that took place in a cramped indoor space – again maskless.

The sessions involved Hicks, Miller, Trump’s presidential campaign manager Bill Stepien and the former governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie. All later tested positive.

It is hard to overstate the willful indifference towards the health and safety of those around them – and of themselves – that such behavior entailed. In a wider sense, it also exuded a disregard for the security of the American people, sending a message that health protocols are for wimps, even within the beating heart of the US government.

As Carol Anderson, professor of African American studies at Emory University, put it: “The Republicans are suicide bombers aimed at our ship of state.”

Public health experts were even more aghast by the White House decision to forgo any effort at contact tracing of the Rose Garden event. Alongside testing, contact tracing is the basic building block of any effort to contain the virus, allowing officials to identify who has been exposed and get them into isolation; without contact tracing, the disease is as free to roam as a wild horse on the Texas plains.

Reiner described the lack of contact tracing as “inexcusable”. The only explanation for such an aberrant decision, he now believes, is that the White House feared that the exercise would discover the individual who was the source of the outbreak, “patient zero” – and that it would turn out to be Trump himself.

“Not to carry out formal contact tracing of a large event like the Rose Garden is the height of irresponsibility,” Reiner said. “The virus has a reproductive number of about 2.5 which means that each infected person infects two and a half others. So if there are about 30 people infected in the Trump circle, multiply that by 2.5 and then again by 2.5 – that’s how quickly the virus could spread.”

It’s not only the elite of Trump World who have been put in harm’s way by the flagrant disrespect for basic health guidelines flaunted this week. There are also the hundreds of people who serve the elite of Trump World – the “forgotten people” as Trump describes them – who have been equally imperiled.

The most vivid example of this phenomenon was the two Secret Service agents who drove Trump, spewing coronavirus from every pore, in an armored presidential limousine so that he could wave to supporters outside Walter Reed. Trump was wearing a cloth mask, not an N95, which would have offered greater protection to the agents who risked their own health by accompanying the president in a hermetically sealed vehicle.

“The president placed the health of his Secret Service agents at risk for a photo op. Why would you do that?” Reiner said. “Secret Service agents didn’t sign up to take avoidable risks – and this was entirely avoidable.”

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The day after his Walter Reed jaunt, Trump discharged himself from hospital and returned to the White House. Before he stepped back into the building, he removed his mask for the benefit of the cameras – so endangering the many cooks, cleaners, maintenance workers and other “forgotten Americans” who labor every day to serve him inside the residence.

The president placed the health of his Secret Service agents at risk for a photo op. Why would you do that?

The gesture provoked a furious response from Everett Kelley, the president of the American Federation of Government Employees, the largest union for federal workers in the US. “The actions of Donald Trump over the last few days have been typical of his administration’s approach to the virus. At nearly every turn, the mismanagement of the federal response by the president and his appointees has put workers’ lives at risk,” he said.

Perhaps the most egregious of all the recent spectacles was Trump’s decision to travel to his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, on 1 October. He flew there on Marine One, the presidential helicopter, hours before he was given his positive result for coronavirus but significantly hours after the White House learned that Hicks, one of Trump’s closest aides with whom he had been travelling, had been infected.

Yet no one at the fundraising event was warned of the exposure, and no masks were worn. Among those put at potential risk were up to 200 Republican supporters, 19 major donors paying up to $250,000 each for the privilege of spending an hour cooped up indoors with the president, and a further 19 staff employed by the Trump Organization who served the guests.

During the course of the event, several mandatory regulations set by New Jersey’s governor were openly flouted, including the number of people allowed to congregate in an enclosed space, the presentation of food buffet-style in contravention of social distancing rules, and the sheer fact that Trump had not informed participants that he had been exposed to the virus and should be quarantining. This summer, a health worker who was looking after older people in a residential home in Camden, New Jersey, was charged with five criminal counts of endangerment because she did not tell the people in her care that she had developed symptoms of Covid.

According to several eyewitness accounts, Trump also showed symptoms of Covid in Bedminster, yet appears to be above the law.

The events at Bedminster were of great personal interest to Sandra Diaz. Until 2014, she worked for four years as a housekeeper at Bedminster keeping Trump’s personal residence on the property spotlessly clean as he demanded.

Diaz was at that time one of many undocumented immigrants who Trump employed (she now has permanent US resident status). For her efforts, she received no health coverage from the Trump Organization.

Last week when she watched the US president bragging about how well he had done after contracting Covid-19 under the state-of-the-art experimental treatment he was receiving, she thought back to her time as a low-paid uninsured undocumented Trump employee at Bedminster. She thought too of the 581 people who have died from the disease in her New Jersey county and wondered what would have happened had she been infected without access to any treatment at all.

“A lot of people have died from this virus in my town,” she said. “A lot of families have lost fathers, mothers, brothers, uncles.”

Diaz has two friends who are still working at Trump’s golf course, a housekeeper and a landscaper. She spoke to them after the president’s fundraising visit last week, which netted Trump’s re-election campaign $5m.

“My friends are really scared,” she said. “They are really poor people, and when poor people get sick they lose their jobs and the hospitals don’t have beds. Donald Trump, he doesn’t think about them. He just thinks about himself.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/12/donald-trump-covid-reckless-president



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Reply #6570 on: October 12, 2020, 11:37:57 PM
  Actually, Hospitals do have the means to treat every American who shows up with Covid 19 Symptoms, in need of Hospitalization, and Ventilator support, thanks to the efforts of Donald J. Trump and his Administration in the early days of this pandemic.

  And, Hospitalization and Medications, and Treatment of Covid 19 is fully covered for all Americans... so no need for the golf club workers to panic just yet.

  Use common sense, be aware of the risks you personally face, and behave, dress, and travel responsibly for your own situation.. no need to "FEAR" the virus, better just deal with life appropriately. Be smart.

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Reply #6571 on: October 13, 2020, 06:44:20 AM
Hospitals do not have the ability to provide the same state of the art treatments provided to Trump, which allowed for a quick recovery.

Furthermore we are entering a period of Covid surge, or the second wave.

Covid-19 is something to be very concerned about, so please wear your masl when in crowds or going into a store, theatre, etc.

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Reply #6572 on: October 13, 2020, 02:11:42 PM
This hard-hitting new TRUMP ad will surely get the MEDIA aroused.  Facebook pulled this and will not allow a forward.  But they can't pull it from e mail.   
 
https://d33wjekvz3zs1a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-2020-ad.mp4?_=1&fbclid=IwAR3g7OAfhGKKosLGAMfP5qT30IuWCGZOgt_M5URTfen-7Rl16vLN1nBY9oo



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Reply #6573 on: October 13, 2020, 02:52:11 PM

This hard-hitting new TRUMP ad will surely get the MEDIA aroused.  Facebook pulled this and will not allow a forward.  But they can't pull it from e mail.   
 
https://d33wjekvz3zs1a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Trump-2020-ad.mp4?_=1&fbclid=IwAR3g7OAfhGKKosLGAMfP5qT30IuWCGZOgt_M5URTfen-7Rl16vLN1nBY9oo


I'm confused. This video is labelled "Trump 2020 Campaign Ad," but it's clearly from 2016, not 2020. Obama appears four times, and he spends time dissing Hillary Clinton.

Facebook probably pulled it because it is antiquated...






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Reply #6574 on: October 13, 2020, 02:54:36 PM


Facebook probably pulled it because it is antiquated...




Exactly.  I thought the same thing.  Not a peep about Biden.  All 2015 footage.

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Reply #6575 on: October 13, 2020, 04:23:55 PM
And it's from Trump, and we already know he cares for no one but himself and his own enrichment.  He's just another swamp.



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Reply #6576 on: October 13, 2020, 04:33:13 PM
  One of the specific treatments is yet to be approved for release and sale commercially.

  Available at Walter Reed NIH, at the request of President Trump's White House Physician, it is available for others with such pre-release access, at Walter Reed NIH, likely at other such facilities.

  The treatment for Covid 19 is fully compensated for all U.S. Citizens, of which you are aware, no doubt.

  Is good to see President Trump has recovered from the initial distress, is no longer considered a transmission risk for Covid 19.

  He continued to work while Hospitalized, and now is cleared to continue active particulation in his Campaign for ReElection in 21 days.

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Reply #6577 on: October 13, 2020, 04:37:49 PM
  The AD was, and remains a good one, addresses the issues/dangers with past, and current, establishment Politicians, and why we need our President to continue, to get major issues resolved right now; as well in our near future.  So there is a Future to be proud about for all of us!

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Reply #6578 on: October 13, 2020, 06:53:12 PM

  The AD was, and remains a good one, addresses the issues/dangers with past, and current, establishment Politicians, and why we need our President to continue, to get major issues resolved right now; as well in our near future.  So there is a Future to be proud about for all of us!


No it doesn't. The only "establishment politicians" it mentions are Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, neither of whom are running for president in 2020.

More to the point, the ad skips over the fact that since Trump has now been president for close to four years, he is firmly part of "the establishment."

If the ad were truly "hard-hitting," it would not constantly employ the vague and undefined term "establishment politicians," and, instead, it would focus on Trump's proclaimed achievements in office, and why those serve as reasons to vote for him again this year. Lashing out at vague and illusory bad guys does not achieve that end.






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Reply #6579 on: October 13, 2020, 06:55:31 PM