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Reply #6100 on: February 07, 2020, 05:25:10 PM
Leave it to our President to rub his acquittal in the faces of the Democrats and anyone else who he thinks is conspiring against him. Such a gracious winner. No manners at all.

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Reply #6101 on: February 07, 2020, 06:46:30 PM
Hahaha yeah cuz those wonderful Dems didn’t deserve any of it at all, not a single one  :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:



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Reply #6102 on: February 07, 2020, 07:14:17 PM
  The best part of the STOU was when Rush Limbaugh was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, with all House and Senate Democrats, and Republicans, and the Nation watching in their living rooms.

  Well done!

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Reply #6103 on: February 07, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
Was that punitive?

Rush Limbaugh was awarded

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Reply #6104 on: February 07, 2020, 08:17:23 PM
  The best part of the STOU was when Rush Limbaugh was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, with all House and Senate Democrats, and Republicans, and the Nation watching in their living rooms.

  Well done!



Yep, they’re lining up to get their medals from Trump.





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Reply #6105 on: February 07, 2020, 08:48:35 PM
I’m sure that’s what all the nation was imaging, a bunch of KKK member. You’re delusional



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Reply #6106 on: February 07, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
 Jed_, those dressed in white were Democrats, then and now.
I am happy you, and so many Democrats, as well as regular people, got to see Rush Limbaugh receive the highest award the United States gives for any civilian. Well deserved.

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Reply #6107 on: February 08, 2020, 05:11:43 AM
People are blind, this is America the land of instant gratification. I want it and I want it now!!! Trump said ok here is your minuscule tax cut, and people yelled "yippie" others are grumpy that the rich benefited the most, but what nobody is really seeing is what's going to happen in the future. According to trumps own tax plan the only cut that is "permanent" is the corporate tax cut.  The others are temporary and due to expire in about 3-4 years.  Just in time for a new POTUS who will most likely be a Democrat (and I think they know that too and they're scared so why not get a head start and impeach trump) and will most likely have to raise taxes close to 3% which is slightly higher than the current cut for the working class. Which will again make people think yay trump.  In the long run, he won.

So many people talking about how he's not a politician he's a businessman, yep, he is a professional salesman and too many Americans bought his bullcrap.

As for all this talk of free education and free healthcare, it wont work in capitalist America. It's not just healthcare and schools that'll change it's all the supporting roles as well, utilities, food and service, logistics.  You make healthcare 100% free and the money going in will nearly disappear. You think the government is going to cover that cost??? Maybe half that.  This is even before we get to pharmaceuticals.  You really want to know what free healthcare America would look like, look at the VA and how it's been for veterans in past years.  You can not just make this stuff free.  It wont work here.

The only way this country will survive and we can be "satisfied" is by being the UNITED states and compromising. Nobody wants to be the first to bend though.

We're like one big messed up Thanksgiving feast.  Trump is at the head table with his corporate investors and shareholders and Republicans feasting on their enormous tax benefits, the Dems are sitting at the kiddy table throwing tantrums because they didnt get their way and wanna be at the big table, and us working class Americans, we're the dogs under foot scrounging and fighting for scraps.

Now I'm drunk, I'm tired and I'm not looking forward to tomorrow's hangover.  Renegade 2-1 out :emot_kiss:



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Reply #6108 on: February 08, 2020, 05:36:44 AM


Donald Trump on the South Lawn, February 7, 2020.  Photo by William Moon.



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Reply #6109 on: February 08, 2020, 05:43:09 AM
He has a skin problem or rash on his forehead that his Max Factor doesn't cover up.

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Reply #6110 on: February 08, 2020, 05:51:15 AM
I hope it gets made into the presidential portrait.  So we can remember the orange mistake.



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Reply #6111 on: February 08, 2020, 05:52:18 AM
  We have a spending problem, as you well note, and not a tax problem.

Let us work together to reduce Government Spending, permanently, and in the short term, take away the money available for MORE spending, so priorities may be set for what is 'necessary' and what is 'not necessary' in our spending.

The list of 'promises' is long, and as you note, too long, unworkable long term.

Address it now, for the long term, so there can be a long term for America.


People are blind, this is America the land of instant gratification. I want it and I want it now!!! Trump said ok here is your minuscule tax cut, and people yelled "yippie" others are grumpy that the rich benefited the most, but what nobody is really seeing is what's going to happen in the future. According to trumps own tax plan the only cut that is "permanent" is the corporate tax cut.  The others are temporary and due to expire in about 3-4 years.  Just in time for a new POTUS who will most likely be a Democrat (and I think they know that too and they're scared so why not get a head start and impeach trump) and will most likely have to raise taxes close to 3% which is slightly higher than the current cut for the working class. Which will again make people think yay trump.  In the long run, he won.

So many people talking about how he's not a politician he's a businessman, yep, he is a professional salesman and too many Americans bought his bullcrap.

As for all this talk of free education and free healthcare, it wont work in capitalist America. It's not just healthcare and schools that'll change it's all the supporting roles as well, utilities, food and service, logistics.  You make healthcare 100% free and the money going in will nearly disappear. You think the government is going to cover that cost??? Maybe half that.  This is even before we get to pharmaceuticals.  You really want to know what free healthcare America would look like, look at the VA and how it's been for veterans in past years.  You can not just make this stuff free.  It wont work here.

The only way this country will survive and we can be "satisfied" is by being the UNITED states and compromising. Nobody wants to be the first to bend though.

We're like one big messed up Thanksgiving feast.  Trump is at the head table with his corporate investors and shareholders and Republicans feasting on their enormous tax benefits, the Dems are sitting at the kiddy table throwing tantrums because they didnt get their way and wanna be at the big table, and us working class Americans, we're the dogs under foot scrounging and fighting for scraps.

Now I'm drunk, I'm tired and I'm not looking forward to tomorrow's hangover.  Renegade 2-1 out :emot_kiss:

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Reply #6112 on: February 08, 2020, 01:20:40 PM
  We have a spending problem, as you well note, and not a tax problem.


I would say it's not so much how much, but where, as you said another broken promise with infrastructure spending.  Build and repair highways, and utility systems.  government contracts bring workers into a community where they will spend money and stimulate the local economy which will help growth.

Another way is through our military. Military spending is just half of it, we have military bases all over the world and the amount of money these troops spend in other country is staggering. We talk about closing bases in foreign countries, but to be honest those foreign countries don't want us to, sure the people do, the communities do,  but not their governments because of the income they receive from it.  If we were to being every American home right now the economic shock would be felt globally.  Soldiers spend billions on foreign soil, imagine what that could do for our own economy


I was recently involved in a discussion on Reddit in which I was called a white nationalist and racist for suggesting that there are well-meaning people with good intentions as well as malevolent assholes in all parts of the political spectrum.

That's how some people are, I belive it's just a scare tactic to get people to think their way.  "You dont agree with me?  You're a racist"  I'm sure half those people couldnt even describe what it means to be a white nationalist let alone explain how compromising and working together makes you one.  So let them call you what they will, doesn't mean you're wrong  :emot_kiss:



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Reply #6113 on: February 08, 2020, 02:30:46 PM
  Finding Democrats to work on infrastructure, when they don't get to drive the train entirely, and in fact work against efforts to properly manage the costs of such projects, has been virtually impossible.

  Spending on Federal roads, must be managed with curbs to reduce costs in all locations, and spending on State roads, and the State spending on local roads, is where cooperation between the House and Senate has been lacking. Senate Democrats are proud of being able to block most actions in that body.

  Breaking the logjam, by breaking the leftist dominance is essential, and people are seeing the activity their elected officials get up to, watching the House since 2018, combined with House Democrat foot dragging since 2016 on new efforts since that election... 5 more years of such to come, unless voters bring the change necessary to overcome the politics that comes with bitterness such as has been displayed the past year plus in the House.

  Spending reductions, when available via cooperation, and spending increases when no such cooperation is forthcoming, but spending to keep our military up to full strength, and then some, is necessary. The people will decide, and the remaining office holders will necessarily jam through the legislation required to keep America great.

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Reply #6114 on: February 08, 2020, 03:52:52 PM
The Republicans are copying the Democrats in one major thing - spending. Spend it now and let future generations worry about paying it back.

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Reply #6115 on: February 08, 2020, 04:30:42 PM
The Republicans are copying the Democrats in one major thing - spending. Spend it now and let future generations worry about paying it back.

It's called buying votes. Politicians keep throwing money to make it look like they're doing something. The only thing Congress works on is their own re-election, and they do that well. :facepalm:

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Reply #6116 on: February 08, 2020, 07:11:29 PM

I would say it's not so much how much, but where, as you said another broken promise with infrastructure spending.  Build and repair highways, and utility systems.  government contracts bring workers into a community where they will spend money and stimulate the local economy which will help growth.

Another way is through our military. Military spending is just half of it, we have military bases all over the world and the amount of money these troops spend in other country is staggering. We talk about closing bases in foreign countries, but to be honest those foreign countries don't want us to, sure the people do, the communities do,  but not their governments because of the income they receive from it.  If we were to being every American home right now the economic shock would be felt globally.  Soldiers spend billions on foreign soil, imagine what that could do for our own economy


Shiela -Well this isn't exactly true. The shock may be felt globally but there would be multiple shocks after that would need to be dealt with and large (huge rather) monetary consequences as well as even more lives on the line. Having bases and Solders, Marines, Sailors, and Airmen all over the world is costing wildly less than it would cost to send troops around the world. We would be fooling ourselves to think this is possible in the world we live in. Think about the time it took to get the troops mobile for WW1 or 2. The fuel costs. Extra support all across the board. What, are we going to fight wars on our own soil...yeah right. Not if we don't have to. Right away unemployment would go through the roof. Everyone coming home at once (imagine all the troops forward deployed and the military contractors as well as civilian contractors, this is no small number) needing jobs, education, resources, housing, etc etc. You mentioned the VA (your comments about the VA I agree with and could go further with as I'm sure you could), well imagine the stress on health care. How about all the equipment, ships, tanks, munitions, etc, etc, etc.
Trade vessels wouldn't have support in areas of conflict. To think our politicians can keep things in line and safe is a joke. We would be cutting the balls off our country. We don't need to be in every single conflick that arises but for national security most of these troops and bases serve a purpose more than just policing the world. Id say that technology has made it possible to not need as many but as long and brave men and women fight war they are needed to protect the interests.

As far as your comments on Trump. You are correct he is a salesman but he is also a business man for sure. To say people fell for his bullshit is no different than people falling for any other politician's bullshit as well. To right the ship isn't going to happen over night and anyone that believes that is foolish. Nor is one man or woman going to be able to accomplish this. The fact that he is not a politician was what appealed to many. Kind of a "stick it to the politicians" in a way. Similar to voting for someone who is black just because they are black or voting for a woman just because they think its time for a woman president.
The choices last election were what they were. I personally like what President Trump being in office is causing. Lets face it its what him being in office is cause not so much him causing. The divide, as long as it doesn't go too far, is exposing people and groups for what they are on both the left and the right. My outlook in regards to this great country differ from the "doomed" outlook you and Farmer Miles share. This country is much stronger than you are giving it credit for. Its in the people not the fucking government. there are examples after examples I can give and that can be seen in day to day life. The spirit is still alive and well. People still to this day want to come here.
 


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Reply #6117 on: February 08, 2020, 08:03:31 PM
You know I typed out this whole argument about soldiers and contractors become consumers here, and possibly creating and how their spending could possible be a boon to local communities, but I decided to delete it.  We could go round and round and round, and get nowhere, but this is not what I came to KB for.  I'm going to spend my time here doing more enjoyable things.  I know it was my choice to give my two cents, but that's what happens when I drink and jump online.  So now I'm choosing to make my exit

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Reply #6118 on: February 08, 2020, 09:02:57 PM
Shiela-I actually appropriate your input. Wasn’t trying to put you down. I’d love to see our troops home and agree but unfortunately it’s not possible. As far as soldiers spending money outside our boarders, we have civilians spending outside our own boarders as well in great numbers. Spending money in other countries is a good thing. You make good points and I’d, as well as others here, would love to hear more and keep you included in these conversations. I’m sure more than just you and I would be guilty of messaging while drinking haha.



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Reply #6119 on: February 11, 2020, 08:46:26 PM