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Reply #5840 on: September 26, 2019, 09:39:15 PM
As Trump throws VP Pence under the bus, should we be getting ready for President Pelosi?

All the president’s loyalists: Impeachment net snares Trump’s top advisers
The president’s senior aides are about to face the punishing spotlight of an impeachment inquiry, the beginning of personal and professional costs spreading throughout Trump's orbit.

Donald Trump has done it again: He’s dragged some of his closest aides and advisers into a scandal packed with potentially devastating personal consequences.

That’s good news for white-collar lawyers who charge by the hour.

But an investigation into allegations that Trump pressured his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate Joe Biden and his son is hardly the kind of thing to be embraced by those orbiting Trumpworld, including Vice President Mike Pence; some of the most important aides, such as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Attorney General William Barr and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney; and his own personal attorney at the center of it all, Rudy Giuliani.

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They all face a long road ahead with the prospect of hefty legal bills, reputational scars and damaged political prospects hanging over them for years.

It isn’t a new phenomenon. Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and Michael Flynn all can attest to what happens when their own conduct gets scrutinized over the course of a high-level investigation that started because of Trump.

President Bill Clinton’s top aides suffered as well during six years of independent counsel probes and an impeachment battle. Watergate, of course, popularized “All the President’s Men” for the sheer breadth of people swept up in President Richard Nixon’s downfall.

“While it’s not quite Watergate, which is where Nixon got drawn into it by his senior staff, this is a situation where I think even more offensively the president seems to have embroiled his close confidants in his own mischief,” said Philip Lacovara, a former top prosecutor on the special prosecutor team that examined Nixon’s conduct.

For starters, all of the people in the president’s world with ties to the Ukraine scandal can expect to get hauled up for congressional hearings — during which the questioning in a Democratic-led impeachment investigation is sure to be anything but friendly.

Then there are the personal legal challenges ahead. At least through next November, they probably can breathe easily. But experts note that Trump’s political fate is also their fate.

“The primary worry they’re going to have is 2021, if the election goes against President Trump,” Lacovara said. “If Trump is reelected , then I think they’ll be pretty well insulated by a pliant DOJ.”

Here’s a look at some of the key players surrounding the president who will be among the first to face a punishing spotlight as the impeachment inquiry ensnares Trumpworld.

Mike Pence

Few are more important in Trump’s orbit on foreign policy than the vice president. Pence is Trump’s right-hand man when dealing with fellow world leaders. He’s often piped in for phone calls. And the two strategize about it all at their weekly lunches.

It’s with that pedigree that the president dispatched Pence earlier this month to cover for him in Poland on a trip that included a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Asked by a reporter whether they’d discussed Joe Biden, Pence said the conversation covered U.S. financial support for the Eastern European country and “corruption.”

Trump is hardly helping the matter. During a Wednesday news conference in which the threat of impeachment loomed, the president pretty much tossed his No. 2 to the wolves. “I think you should ask for Vice President Pence's conversations, because he had a couple conversations also,” Trump said. “I could save you a lot of time. They were all perfect. Nothing was mentioned of any import other than congratulations.“

William Barr
The attorney general has seen his reputation savaged since joining the Trump administration at the start of 2019. He ran afoul of his longtime friend Robert Mueller over how he handled the end of the special counsel’s Russia probe. In July, his defiance alongside Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross of congressional subpoenas prompted a House vote to hold them in criminal contempt — the second time in U.S. history that’s happened to a sitting Cabinet member.

Now there’s the Ukraine mess.

Barr joined the story on Wednesday when the White House released notes from a July phone call between Trump and Zelensky in which the president twice named the attorney general as someone who should be part of the country’s effort to investigate the Bidens. A Justice Department spokeswoman said Trump never directly asked Barr to begin a Biden probe, though that hardly quelled the concerns from Democrats. House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler said Barr needs to recuse himself from the issue. Rep. Joaquin Castro, a Texas Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, called the attorney general a “witness that will be called to testify” in the impeachment investigation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/09/26/impeachment-trump-top-advisers-001484



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Reply #5841 on: September 26, 2019, 09:48:08 PM
The corruption is so bad that at last Nancy Pelosi is backing impeachment.

Pelosi is smart enough to know what bringing impeachment proceedings do to the party bringing them. Why she is trying to calm down the ultra-left of her party. Trumps continuing assinine actions are putting her in a tough spot as Speaker.

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Reply #5842 on: September 30, 2019, 09:19:14 PM
Today's news is that Trump is warning of a civil war if he is impeached.

Government officials are horrified.



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Reply #5843 on: September 30, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
Today's news is that Trump is warning of a civil war if he is impeached.

Told you all that he was an Anarchist.  Nobody believed me.



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Reply #5844 on: September 30, 2019, 09:23:37 PM
Specifically which, who, are the Horrified Government "officials"?
Do you have a link/source? TY

Today's news is that Trump is warning of a civil war if he is impeached.

Government officials are horrified.

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Reply #5845 on: September 30, 2019, 09:28:02 PM
Adam Kinzinger

I'll give you time to look up that one, then I'll tell you another, when you're ready...

There's sure to be more to come.



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Reply #5846 on: September 30, 2019, 09:38:43 PM
  Poor Adam... hope he recovers soonest.

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Reply #5847 on: September 30, 2019, 09:59:26 PM
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Oh wow.  You have sympathy for the first Republican that answered your question?

I'm hoping you recover enough for us to show you another...



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Reply #5848 on: September 30, 2019, 10:03:35 PM
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Oh wow.  You have sympathy for the first Republican that answered your question?

I'm hoping you recover enough for us to show you another...

Never heard of him.
I was asking the person who posted, Lois.
NO response, no spam, from you, PSI please.
Thank you.

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Reply #5849 on: September 30, 2019, 10:05:51 PM
Never heard of him.
I was asking the person who posted, Lois.

So?  I answered your question, with a Republican Lawmaker.  You can't kill the messenger.  I told you to look him up, and your ignorance of the division in your own party is your own willful ignorance.

I will respond, and I will answer your questions, until you get the message, or stop asking.  Whoever you ask.



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Reply #5850 on: September 30, 2019, 10:42:52 PM
What "message" am I supposed to get, that will stop your responses?

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Reply #5851 on: September 30, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
In this case, the answer to your question.

I'm not going to stop posting.  At some point, that message will sink in...



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Reply #5852 on: September 30, 2019, 11:19:52 PM
Tried to read the idiocy of the left that is  posted here.  We are lucky to have survived the idiocy of the Obama Years, and I am thankful that we finally have a president that is repairing the damage that has been done over the years by the Democraps, and the Socialists.  I do believe that in my 80 years on this planet that we will survive, but only if we eradicate the Democratic party and its idiocy.



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Reply #5853 on: September 30, 2019, 11:24:05 PM
:emot_laughing:

Oh wow.  You have sympathy for the first Republican that answered your question?

I'm hoping you recover enough for us to show you another...

Never heard of him.
I was asking the person who posted, Lois.
NO response, no spam, from you, PSI please.
Thank you.


Adam Kizinger is from Illinois. One of a dying breed of Republicans in the state.

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Reply #5854 on: September 30, 2019, 11:39:14 PM
Adam Kizinger is from Illinois. One of a dying breed of Republicans in the state.

Yes, but he's a Republican, who doesn't support the president pushing US toward Civil War.  Or something "Like civil-war," he's also a war veteran, not a draft dodger like the Bone-Spur in chief.

Not just a dying breed in Illinois.  Republicans are a dying breed of the old guard, and the president is a gold plated bullet in the murder weapon.



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Reply #5855 on: October 01, 2019, 03:34:38 AM
Well, aren't you horrified Joan?  Do you want a civil war?  Isn't promoting/threatening a civil war an impeachable offense?

As for government officials being horrified, I meant that was the general response from all the officials in all the articles I read saying various negative things about Trump's tweet.

Here are some of the articles I surveyed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/30/trump-is-cornered-his-civil-war-threat-stinks-panic/

https://www.axios.com/rep-kinzinger-slams-trump-democrats-civil-war-quote-7a042acb-f6d2-4e86-8f9e-53dea5b7a327.html

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-rep-calls-trumps-civil-war-tweets-beyond-repugnant

I am sure you can find more easily enough.



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Reply #5856 on: October 01, 2019, 03:37:44 AM
Isn't promoting/threatening a civil war an impeachable offense?

Not quite.  He quoted a fire, and brimstone Minister who threatened civil war-like conditions.  Damned close, though.



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Reply #5857 on: October 01, 2019, 03:55:39 AM
Yep, meanwhile he's trying to get California to leave the Union.  What's with that?



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Reply #5858 on: October 01, 2019, 04:06:07 AM
What's with that?

Madness.  At some point, you just stop trying to understand it, or go mad with everyone else.



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Reply #5859 on: October 01, 2019, 03:08:34 PM
Thank you, Lois.

Well, aren't you horrified Joan?  Do you want a civil war?  Isn't promoting/threatening a civil war an impeachable offense?

As for government officials being horrified, I meant that was the general response from all the officials in all the articles I read saying various negative things about Trump's tweet.

Here are some of the articles I surveyed:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/09/30/trump-is-cornered-his-civil-war-threat-stinks-panic/

https://www.axios.com/rep-kinzinger-slams-trump-democrats-civil-war-quote-7a042acb-f6d2-4e86-8f9e-53dea5b7a327.html

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-rep-calls-trumps-civil-war-tweets-beyond-repugnant

I am sure you can find more easily enough.

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