The Trump thread: All things Donald

[psiberzerker]

Who cares what the UK does?

Literally everyone, except for you, when it's not convenient for your political agenda.

Pakistan was not a partner to this agreement, not asked to sign, did not sign, as well other Nations did not sigh and were not involved at all.

What agreement are you talking about, then?  It's your claim, for once in your life, back it up with specifics.  Pakistan, and India were the reason for the modern (Post fall of the USSR) international ban on IRBMs, because they were at war, and became nuclear powers within months of each other.

Which you would know, if you did any research, ever.

[Lois]

Obviously Joan cannot admit when she is cleary wrong, and even when the realities of the situation are made clear to her.  Trump has the same failing. 

I fear Joan might also be as heartless as Trump.

We obviously must deport these children because they might drink and drive. 

Another promise broken.
           

THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS NOW DEPORTING KIDS WITH CANCER
[size=1fpt]The new policy is a major departure from longstanding legal practice, which allowed the federal government to exercise discretion where a little humanity is warranted. Unfortunately for sick kids, humanity is not part of Trump’s agenda.[/size]

When you’ve already separated families, thrown children in cages, and held them in conditions that “could be compared to torture facilities,” it’s a bit of a challenge to come up with your next act. Evil takes creativity, and once you’ve forced migrant kids to go weeks without a shower or change of clothes and fed them expired food, it’s tough to continue nailing those Hitler comparisons. Somehow, though, the Trump administration always rises to the occasion:

Immigrant advocates in Boston say federal authorities are unfairly ordering foreign-born children granted special immigration status for medical treatment to return to their countries. The Irish International Immigrant Center says it’s aware of at least five local families who have received notices this month to leave the U.S. within 33 days. The families have “medical deferred action,” which enables them to receive government-funded health care and work legally while their children receive medical treatment…. Advocates say similar notices have been recently issued in California, North Carolina, and other states.

The new policy is reportedly a major departure from long-standing legal practice; for decades, the federal government has used it to exercise discretion where a little humanity is warranted, like when a child is critically ill and will die if ordered to leave the country. Unfortunately for such children, humanity is not part of the Trump administration’s agenda. Per the Boston Globe:

Consider the case of Marie and her 13-year-old son. They were visiting Boston in 2013 when the boy fell ill. He was diagnosed with sickle cell anemia, a genetic condition for which he’s been treated at Boston Medical Center. She filed for medical deferred action almost immediately and they were approved in 2017. The status, valid for two years, meant she could get a work permit and he would be granted MassHealth and afford access to life-saving care. She is required to bring him into BMC for monitoring every two months; otherwise acute problems might arise that can result in brain damage or kidney failure, she said. Last week, Marie got a denial letter from US Citizenship and Immigration Services after filing for a renewal. They were instructed to leave within 33 days or else risk deportation.

“I can’t go back to Haiti,” Marie said in an interview on Monday organized by local immigration advocates. “I won’t find this medical care for him there.” According to Mahsa Khanbabai, chair of the New England chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, the exact number of immigrants potentially affected by the change is unclear, but estimated to be in the thousands, including children with cystic fibrosis, leukemia, and muscular dystrophy.

“This is a new low,” Senator Ed Markey told the Associated Press of the news. “Donald Trump is literally deporting kids with cancer.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/medical-deferred-action-deportations

[psiberzerker]

Well, clearly we can't treat these sick children's cancer, when that welfare money could be spent helping red blooded American drunk drivers!

Wouldn't want to be mistaken for a bleeding heart Liberal, or anything.

[joan1984]

What India and Pakistan signed is not the agreement/treaty noted by the posting member here, in a list of "treaties" supposedly broken by Trump.

You (Psi) brought up 'all the kings men', with japan, and so forth, who are also not involved in the INF treaty which the US has withdrawn from, which was the topic in question. You often spray nonsense and irrelevant facts, and if you would like to Google this one, you can self educate. Thankfully your OK was not needed for the "treaty" in question, which Russia has breeched first, and now we can address as we wish, without input from our enemies, or others who may benefit from expired agreements.

Who cares what the UK does?

Literally everyone, except for you, when it's not convenient for your political agenda.

Pakistan was not a partner to this agreement, not asked to sign, did not sign, as well other Nations did not sigh and were not involved at all.

What agreement are you talking about, then?  It's your claim, for once in your life, back it up with specifics.  Pakistan, and India were the reason for the modern (Post fall of the USSR) international ban on IRBMs, because they were at war, and became nuclear powers within months of each other.

Which you would know, if you did any research, ever.

[psiberzerker]

for the "treaty" in question, which Russia has breeched first, and now we can address as we wish, without input from our enemies, or others who may benefit from expired agreements.

Okay, let's just assume that you're right (Dispite your kindergarten level grasp of local politics trying to encompass graduate level geopolitical treaties)

"Russia started it!" is not an excuse for US to do the evil that Russia did.

Also, after being asked twice to support your silliness, you come back with telling me to use google to edjucate myself.  After I supplied you with the literal history leading to the agreement itself?

[edit]All right, I finally found the specific treaty, despite the fact that you said it WASN'T a treaty, and all the other facts you got wrong, to make it nearly infucking possible to find, without you posting any link to what the actual fuck you're actually trying to talk about.  Thanks for nothing.[/e]

If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.  This is why you provide sources.

[joan1984]

Psi, what I did was Google:  Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty

This is a copy paste from the first member, other than the usual rabble,
who posted in reference to my statements, re: Treaty, and Lois.

You will see detailed, as you read through the multiple found posts there, the purpose of the agreement, who agreed, and other facts of interest.

I simply responded, to the members at large, and specifically to the person who named this as a Treaty which 'trump is breaking'...

Pakistan, Japan, India and all your imagined 'nucuelar' nations have nothing to do with this one. Good to be thinking beyond the lines I suppose.

[psiberzerker]

Pakistan, Japan, India and all your imagined 'nucuelar' nations have nothing to do with this one.

Look, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty#US_withdrawal_and_termination

The second paragraph, where concerns about "Imaginary" nations like China, India, and Pakistan are specifically mentioned, because the US pulled out.

Now, everyone who has nukes (Including Japan, and Israel) believes they're allowed to have IRBMs to mount them on.  India and Pakistan are also within Intermediate range of Iran, China, and Russia.  Dumbfuck.  

You really don't understand what game game this is, do you?  "The only winning move is not to play."

~WOPR

[psiberzerker]

Global Thermo-nuclear war.  In Tic-tac-toe, you have 2 players.  Let's call them US, and Them (Russia.)

This is the board for Global Thermo-nuclear war:



Japan, China, India, Pakistan, Israel, and Russia (That's 6 out of 8, 3/4 of the Nuclear States) are ALL within Intermediate Range of each other.

And you're talking about it like it's a pawn, in a debate.  You're not even in the same game, much less the same league here.

[Lois]

General Mattis is finally speaking out innhis book.  He quite because of Trump's limited cognative ability and his dubious character.

The Man Who Couldn’t Take It Anymore
“I had no choice but to leave,” General James Mattis says of his decision to resign as President Trump’s secretary of defense.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/james-mattis-trump/596665/

[Lois]

The balance of powers.

The executive enforces the law.
The legislative creates the laws.
The judiciary interprets the laws and assists in the enforcement of the laws.

Trump is not doing his job.

Recently the Trump adminsitration had a plan to get USDA employees to quit.  Move their HQ to Kanas City.  About half of the USDA's employees quit.

Hurrah right?

Except now USDA reports are due that are mandated by law.  It turns out that USDA employees do some pretty important things that help the government make decisions.  Now the USDA won't be able to provide reports that the executive branch is responsible for.

In desperation, the Trump administration is now trying to re-hire the USDA employees that left.  Good luck with that!

Another Trump fail.

[joan1984]

USDA is moving HQ, and most HQ type operations, from Wash, DC, to the midwest (Kansas?) and all HQ employees were eligible to move there with the Agency. Actually I think they have until late September to formally announce whether they will take this new Opportunity for Government Employment with USDA, at the new location.

Whatever reports will get worked out, I am sure. Maybe is time to have a good look at exactly what reports USDA is 'required by law' to make/create/submit, and see which are redundant, and which positions have been filing redundant reports, and simply don't fill those positions at the new location... save on the local parking there as well.

While we are at it, maybe there are other Agency reports required by law, that need a review as well, and elimination of those positions exist for the purpose of completing, creating, and submitting some other reports. I can see some difficult tasks await the Administration, in right sizing necessary reports, and as well all the effort that it takes and expense it may take to do such reports.

Of course, necessary reports exist, and all the better to get those done on time of course.

The balance of powers.

The executive enforces the law.
The legislative creates the laws.
The judiciary interprets the laws and assists in the enforcement of the laws.

Trump is not doing his job.

Recently the Trump adminsitration had a plan to get USDA employees to quit.  Move their HQ to Kanas City.  About half of the USDA's employees quit.

Hurrah right?

Except now USDA reports are due that are mandated by law.  It turns out that USDA employees do some pretty important things that help the government make decisions.  Now the USDA won't be able to provide reports that the executive branch is responsible for.

In desperation, the Trump administration is now trying to re-hire the USDA employees that left.  Good luck with that!

Another Trump fail.

[Lois]

I doubt the laws will change much unless the GOP wins big in the comming elections, and somehow I don't see that happening. 

[Lois]

I'm getting a little tored of Trump trying to prove that he was right about his Alabama tweet.  I mean the one about Alabama being being in the path a large hurricaine and likely to take more damage than anticipated.  Let's face it Trump, you were not paying attention and used a projection that was already about three days old.  It was clear to anyone that was paying attention that you were not.  Can't you just say "woops" and move on?

No, because you can't EVER admit being wrong or making a mistake.  That's because your ego gets in your way.

So please stop trying to make your mistake look like it wasn't one.

You are making a fool of yourself.

[Lois]

Wow!  Even more corruption and self-dealing by Trump and his administration.

Think about it. The US has an airbase in the UK that flights usually use where they can fill up at much cheaper rates than the commercial rates fuel costs at Glasgow Prestwick Airport.  Furthermore, the air crew could not even afford dinner, etc., with the per diem they are allowed at the Trump resort.

Air Force to Review Layover Procedures After Stopover at Trump Resort in Scotland

By Eric Lipton
Sept. 9, 2019, 12:19 a.m. ET

WASHINGTON — The Air Force has ordered a review of its procedures used to decide where personnel are put up during overnight layovers, after conceding on Sunday that the decision to place a crew at the luxury resort owned by the Trump family in Scotland this year “might be allowable but not advisable.”

The internal inquiry is being conducted at the request of Air Force leadership, which has directed the Air Mobility Command “to review all guidance pertaining to selection of airports and lodging accommodations during international travels.”

This comes after the Air Force decided in March to send seven crew members flying on a C-17 military transport plane that was on its way to Kuwait from Alaska to the Trump Turnberry resort in Scotland, after the plane had a layover at an airport nearby.

On Saturday, an Air Force official defended the decision to place the crew at the Trump resort, saying that there were no other closer rooms available and that the discounted rate the resort charged meant the cost was below a spending limit.

But on Sunday, in a follow-up statement, the Air Force conceded that the decision might have created a public perception issue.

“While initial reviews indicate that aircrew transiting through Scotland adhered to all guidance and procedures, we understand that U.S. service members lodging at higher-end accommodations, even if within government rates, might be allowable but not advisable,” said the statement issued on Sunday evening by Brig. Gen. Edward W. Thomas Jr., the chief Air Force spokesman. “Therefore, we are reviewing all associated guidance.”

The issue, the Air Force said, is that even if the “aircrews follow all directives and guidance, we must still be considerate of perceptions of not being good stewards of taxpayer funds that might be created through the appearance of aircrew staying at such locations.”

The Air Force also offered an explanation as to why the Defense Department had significantly increased its use of the Glasgow Prestwick Airport, which is about 20 miles from the Trump Turnberry golf resort.

The Air Force explained that it has moved in recent years to try to consolidate the number of places it uses as locations for refueling and stopovers and that the Prestwick airport has “more favorable weather than nearby Shannon Airport” in Ireland “and less aircraft parking congestion than locations on the European continent.”

The Defense Department has been using the Prestwick airport since at least 2015, when it had 95 stopovers, but that number rose to 145 by 2016, and then 180 in 2017, 257 as of last year and 259 so far this year. The 259 stops this year included 220 overnight stays.

Since October 2017, records show 917 purchases at the airport worth a total of $17.2 million.

During the March 2019 stopover, the Air Force placed the crew at the Trump property after a local agent on contract with the United States government had “indicated that there wasn’t a room available closer,” the Air Force statement said. The Trump property charged the Air Force $136 per room, which the Air Force said was less expensive than a Marriott property, which had a rate of $161, and both were under the allowable maximum of $166.

Air Force officials have not yet said, in response to a question from The New York Times, if personnel were placed at the Trump Turnberry resort more than once.

But asked on Sunday if Mr. Trump’s election in 2016 played any role in the decision to use the Prestwick airport more frequently, Mr. Thomas, the Air Force spokesman, said in a written statement, “Not that I am aware of.”

In 2014, shortly after the Trump Organization bought the Turnberry golf course, Mr. Trump met with officials at Prestwick airport and agreed to work with them to help increase traffic at the airport, which has struggled financially because of a decline in passenger traffic. The agreement at the time included a plan to offer transportation from the airport to the Trump golf resort. Discounts have also been offered on rooms at the hotel to military personnel.

“We are thrilled to be partnering with Glasgow Prestwick Airport,” Mr. Trump said during the visit to Prestwick. “They have a tremendous facility with a unique, rich history.”

House investigators have asked the Pentagon to address a series of questions about increased Air Force flights to the Prestwick airport, and the potentially more troubling choice to put up Air Force personnel at the Trump Turnberry resort, questioning if perhaps this was part of some effort to help out Mr. Trump’s family business.

“The airport closest to the Trump Turnberry golf course — Glasgow Prestwick Airport — has been viewed as integral to the golf course’s financial success, yet it too has lost millions of dollars every year since its purchase by the Scottish government in 2013,” said a June letter to the Defense Department from Representative Elijah E. Cummings, Democrat of Maryland and the chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee. “Given the president’s continued financial stake in his Scotland golf courses, these reports raise questions.”

The Turnberry golf resort generated $23.4 million in revenue last year for the Trump family, up by $3 million compared with 2017.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/us/politics/air-force-stopover-trump-turnberry.html

[Jed_]

Reading about Trump today has a version of The Beach Boys song Barbara Ann in my head, except it goes:


Bomb. . . bomb. . . bomb. . . . . . Bomb bomb Iran
Bomb. . . bomb. . . bomb. . . . . . Bomb bomb Iran
Bomb. . . bomb. . . bomb. . . . . . Bomb bomb Iran

I somehow know he’s going to get us in a war as a distraction to his incompetence.

[joan1984]

 Jed_, You must be really missing John McCain today...
that was his song, and proud of it.

Reading about Trump today has a version of The Beach Boys song Barbara Ann in my head, except it goes:


Bomb. . . bomb. . . bomb. . . . . . Bomb bomb Iran
Bomb. . . bomb. . . bomb. . . . . . Bomb bomb Iran
Bomb. . . bomb. . . bomb. . . . . . Bomb bomb Iran

I somehow know he’s going to get us in a war as a distraction to his incompetence.

[psiberzerker]

that was his song, and proud of it.

I heard that joke in the 80s, and it was about Ronald "Raygun."  

Also, McCain was a Veteran, not a draft dodger like the Bone-spur in Chief.

[Jed_]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/462153-trump-defends-his-handling-of-talks-with-foreign-leaders-amid%3famp


Trump tweet:
"Virtually anytime I speak on the phone to a foreign leader, I understand that there may be many people listening from various U.S. agencies, not to mention those from the other country itself. No problem!" Trump tweeted.

"Knowing all of this, is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially 'heavily populated' call," he continued. "I would only do what is right anyway, and only do good for the USA!"


Yes, I am that dumb to believe that the orange clown has no idea what’s inappropriate.

[psiberzerker]

Yes, I am that dumb to believe that the orange clown has no idea what’s inappropriate.

He also doesn't show much Impulse Control in his tweets, nor live speeches to "Record" crowds at his rallies, either.  It's hard to imagine he can control himself when conspiring with his buddy communist tyrants.  No matter how private he thinks it is.

[Lois]

The corruption is so bad that at last Nancy Pelosi is backing impeachment.