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Reply #5020 on: February 14, 2019, 04:37:27 AM
Thank you. What crime of Violence has been alleged, I wonder.

Riot, treason, espionage, and sedition?  Also, sexually harassing his daughter. 

Making apologies for Nazis after Charlottesville was criminal facilitation after the fact.  For NAZIs.



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Reply #5021 on: February 14, 2019, 04:37:42 AM



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Reply #5022 on: February 14, 2019, 06:12:09 AM
Trump should be arrested for criminal facilitation.

What is the Federal Statute exactly, addressing criminal facilitation?

When you tell someone you'll pay their legal bills if he punches someone in the nose for you. Or you otherwise indicate to the crowd you's like them to take any criminal act.

New York even found criminal facilitation to be vilifying a group of people to the degree that a crowd attacks the hated group.

Journalists fit the bill.



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Reply #5023 on: February 14, 2019, 06:20:08 AM
Trump should be arrested for criminal facilitation.

What is the Federal Statute exactly, addressing criminal facilitation?

When you tell someone you'll pay their legal bills if he punches someone in the nose for you. Or you otherwise indicate to the crowd you's like them to take any criminal act.

New York even found criminal facilitation to be vilifying a group of people to the degree that a crowd attacks the hated group.

Journalists fit the bill.




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Reply #5024 on: February 14, 2019, 12:54:16 PM
 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?


Worse Than Watergate

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For decades, Watergate has served as the benchmark against which all other presidential scandals are measured. One sign of its continuing importance in the popular imagination is the use of the “-gate” suffix to indicate scandal: “Billygate,” “Lewinskygate,” “Plamegate,” and far too many others to mention here.

But Watergate’s time as the gold standard of presidential malfeasance might well be coming to an end. If the multiple charges against President Donald Trump prove out, he’ll easily displace Richard Nixon at the top of the Crooked Modern Presidents list. Here’s why.

The Original Sin: The underlying crime in Watergate was a break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters, part of a plot to steal documents that might have offered a slight edge in what turned out to be a landslide victory for Nixon. The closest post-Nixon, pre-Trump scandal in terms of severity was surely Iran-Contra, in which high-level officials in the Ronald Reagan administration circumvented Congress to secure military assistance to Nicaraguan rebels. The legal violations were considerable but, as partisans insisted and much of the public believed, the scandal stemmed from a sincere policy position held by the administration rather than the self-interest of individuals. President Bill Clinton’s scandal seemed the inverse: It was deeply personal—an extramarital affair with a White House intern—but the crimes that resulted from it were small-bore.

Although the allegations against Trump are still just that—allegations—they’re far more serious. At the heart of the matter is the possibility that his campaign conspired with a foreign government to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Congressional investigators are also looking into whether the president has made policy decisions based on campaign favors. The president’s critics are suspicious of his relationship with Vladimir Putin and wonder if his financial ties to countries in the Middle East—including Saudi Arabia—affected the administration’s positions on serious matters such as the brutal murder of the Washington Post reporter Jamal Khashoggi.

The attorneys general of Maryland and Washington, D.C., have now piled on by filing a suit against the administration for having violated the Emoluments Clause. They argue that Trump has accepted foreign money through his hotels, where countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have been renting large blocks of rooms at considerable costs.

Personal Crimes: In addition to the alleged original sin of foreign influence, Trump now faces serious accusations that he personally broke the law. Nixon, too, was accused of numerous crimes, including violating campaign-finance rules, evading taxes, and using federal monies for personal gain. These charges were serious enough to warrant a full-throated response from Nixon, including his infamous insistence that “I am not a crook” and his release of his tax returns, a precedent that every succeeding presidential candidate followed (until Trump). But Trump’s alleged personal crimes seem even more substantial. The president is now suspected of committing a felony by directing campaign payments to the adult-film star Stormy Daniels and the former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal to keep them quiet about sexual affairs.

That’s not all. The New York Times uncovered a long history of corrupt tax practices in which a younger Trump and his father, Fred Trump, attempted to evade their tax obligations through false assessments of properties and other shell games to protect their money. According to the report, these actions went far beyond the normal mechanisms wealthier families have long used to protect their assets and strayed into criminal territory.

What’s more, the U.S. Attorney of the Southern District of New York, the prime mover behind the campaign-finance investigations, is also looking into the practices of the Trump Foundation. Here the scent of wrongdoing is extremely strong, with evidence mounting that the tax-exempt foundation misused funds for the personal benefit of the family, and even for the purposes of the 2016 campaign. Facing such serious charges, the Trump Foundation has shut down its operations, but the reckoning over its spending practices will likely continue.

Obstruction: One of the chief conclusions of the Watergate scandal—“It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up”—has been repeated so many times that it’s become a cliché. But like many clichés, it has the ring of truth.

A cover-up has stood at the center of all modern presidential scandals. The “smoking gun” in Watergate was recorded evidence that Nixon secretly ordered the CIA to shut down the FBI’s investigation. Reagan officials such as Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger were charged with lying and hiding information in an effort to block the inquiry into the Iran-Contra scandal by Special Prosecutor Lawrence Walsh. Likewise, Clinton was accused of turning to his friend Vernon Jordan to employ Monica Lewinsky and coaching his secretary about how to answer questions.

To varying degrees, all three of these presidents found obstruction of justice looming large in debates over their potential impeachment. That debate fizzled out in Reagan’s case, but both Nixon and Clinton faced an article of impeachment based on that charge.

Trump and his advisers are being investigated for obstruction now, too. Indeed, some officials, such as former National-Security Adviser Michael Flynn, have already confessed to misleading investigators. This administration’s pattern of obstruction is especially shocking because it has been so obvious and open. Trump has harassed investigators and undermined the public standing of every single person—including members of his own Justice Department—who has been trying to get the story straight.

The Watergate investigation ultimately boiled down to the famous question that Republican Senator Howard Baker asked: “What did the president know, and when did he know it?” When the secrets came to light, Nixon’s fate was sealed. Conversely, in Iran-Contra, the president’s aides insisted that Reagan had never known of their scheme to subvert Congress; no counter-evidence ever surfaced, and Reagan escaped unscathed. In this case, the president has actually bragged—on television and on Twitter—about his efforts to shut down the investigation into his relationship with Russia. Investigators don’t need a “smoking gun” tape in 2019, because everything has played out on the public stage.

The country is entering a fraught new legislative session. America spent decades recovering from the wreckage of Watergate, which shattered public trust in government. If the charges against the current administration turn out to be true, an even more drastic reckoning lies ahead.

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Reply #5025 on: February 15, 2019, 12:35:16 AM
Cliff Sims worked for the White House. Now Trump wants to silence him.

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The president, whose tweets are considered official government statements by the White House, highlighted that Sims “signed a nondisclosure agreement.” Not 20 minutes later, Michael Glassner, the Trump reelection campaign’s chief operating officer, tweeted: “The Trump campaign is preparing to file suit against Cliff Sims for violating our NDA.”

On Jan. 31, the Trump campaign filed an arbitration claim against Sims for allegedly violating his NDA. The claims against Sims rely solely on facts related to his service as a federal employee. In fact, the arbitration demands the return of documents that, if they even exist, would be the property of the U.S. government, not the campaign.

That is why earlier this week Sims pushed back on Trump, a man whose policies he still supports, by filing a federal lawsuit in Washington to challenge this unconstitutional attempt to intimidate and silence him. The arbitration claim is nothing more than a subterfuge effort by the U.S. government to use a private entity — the Trump campaign — to do its bidding to silence Sims. This is the intense powers of the presidency coming down on one person to attempt to do what the government knows cannot be done in its own name.

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But the First Amendment’s protections of speech can’t allow the government to bar most employees from talking about their work. The use of NDAs for federal employees is routine in the national security arena, but they can prohibit the disclosure of classified information only. For decades, courts have made it clear that the government may not censor unclassified material, “contractually or otherwise.” Legal challenges during the 1970s and 1980s against the CIA settled the question that the government has no legitimate interest under the First Amendment in censoring unclassified information.

When Sims worked in the White House, he served not just Trump but also the American people. He was a public servant, and all Americans, whether Democrats or Republicans, are entitled to know the good and the bad of how our government functions. That is what the First Amendment has protected for more than two centuries. And not even the president can change that.

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Reply #5026 on: February 15, 2019, 01:10:20 AM

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Reply #5027 on: February 15, 2019, 04:46:02 AM



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Reply #5028 on: February 16, 2019, 01:01:06 AM

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Reply #5029 on: February 16, 2019, 01:02:41 AM
Cummings: 2 Trump attorneys may have lied about Cohen payments

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“It now appears that President Trump’s other attorneys — at the White House and in private practice — may have provided false information about these payments to federal officials,” Cummings (D-Md.) wrote in a letter to White House Counsel Pat Cipollone.

Cummings named Sheri Dillon and Stefan Passantino as the two attorneys who might have made false statements to the Office of Government Ethics (OGE), citing documents the committee obtained from the office.

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According to Cummings, Dillon “repeatedly stated to federal officials at OGE that President Trump never owed any money to Mr. Cohen in 2016 and 2017.” Passantino, who served as deputy White House counsel for compliance and ethics, reportedly told OGE that Trump and Cohen had a “retainer agreement” — a claim that was later contradicted by federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York.

Additionally, Cummings said in the letter that Cipollone “failed to provide any” of the documents the committee demanded when it launched its probe last month into the hush-money payments. Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations and said he made the payments “in coordination with and at the direction of” Trump.

Cummings said Dillon’s and Passantino’s alleged false statements raise questions about “the extent to which they too were acting at the direction of, or coordination with, the president.”

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Reply #5030 on: February 16, 2019, 01:03:42 AM
I was wondering why the racist went off the rails today.

This stuff explains it.

Gotta deflect from all the crimes somehow.

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Reply #5031 on: February 16, 2019, 01:22:08 AM
Following national emergency announcement, Trump goes golfing



Remember folks, next time an emergency is declared immediately go golfing.

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Reply #5032 on: February 16, 2019, 01:28:43 AM
Remember folks, next time an emergency is declared immediately go golfing.

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 :emot_laughing:  I'm sure the best place to protect the President from invasion by Illegal Aliens is Miami.   :emot_laughing:



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Reply #5033 on: February 16, 2019, 01:52:20 AM

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Reply #5034 on: February 16, 2019, 02:05:21 AM
Sharing a prison cell together





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Reply #5035 on: February 16, 2019, 02:45:16 AM
Another mass shooting occurred in the US today. More people have died in mass shootings than by undocumented immigrants.  Why is this not a national emergency?



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Reply #5036 on: February 16, 2019, 03:22:38 AM
The gun lobby has more money, and more gun than school kids, and migrant workers.

Also, apparently mass murder/suicide isn't a crime that anyone important is concerned about.  Trespassing, though.
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Reply #5037 on: February 16, 2019, 03:27:31 AM
What exactly would you like to see President Trump delegate as a National Emergency, Lois?  If not President Trump, then seems you may have missed an opportunity as President Obama declared at least twelve National Emergencies, and there are currently over 30 National Emergency Declarations in effect today, with funding for each of them, most named long prior to Obama or Trump.

There will not ever be a President Hillary at all, so that train has gone as well.


Another mass shooting occurred in the US today. More people have died in mass shootings than by undocumented immigrants.  Why is this not a national emergency?

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Reply #5038 on: February 16, 2019, 03:37:52 AM
What exactly would you like to see President Trump delegate as a National Emergency, Lois?

She said Mass Shootings.  Did you just miss that?  I thought it was pretty clear.



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Reply #5039 on: February 16, 2019, 03:39:51 AM
What exactly would you like to see President Trump delegate as a National Emergency, Lois?  If not President Trump, then seems you may have missed an opportunity as President Obama declared at least twelve National Emergencies, and there are currently over 30 National Emergency Declarations in effect today, with funding for each of them, most named long prior to Obama or Trump.

There will not ever be a President Hillary at all, so that train has gone as well.

The coward is terrified of the other news of the day.  It's all in the deflection.

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