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Reply #4960 on: February 04, 2019, 02:39:02 PM
Read Trump's "Executive Time"-filled leaked private schedules

Leaked schedules show Trump has spent more than half of last 3 months in 'Executive Time': Axios

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Chris Whipple, who studies presidential schedules, told Axios "there's almost no [historical] parallel" for how Trump spends most of his days.

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Reply #4961 on: February 04, 2019, 02:39:37 PM


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Reply #4962 on: February 04, 2019, 02:41:47 PM
US agents discover tunnel in Texas leading toward Mexican border

So much for tossing those bags of drugs over and hitting someone in the head, eh Donnie?

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Reply #4963 on: February 05, 2019, 12:10:33 AM
If Trump declares a national emergency, Pelosi can jam Republicans. Here’s how.

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Senate Republicans appear to be in a panic about President Trump’s threat to declare a national emergency to realize his unquenchable fantasy of a big, beautiful wall on the southern border. Republicans are reportedly worried that such a move could divide them, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has delivered that warning to Trump in private conversations.

Republicans have good reason to be deeply nervous. Here’s why: According to one of the country’s leading experts on national emergencies, it appears that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) can trigger a process that could require the GOP-controlled Senate to hold a vote on such a declaration by Trump — which would put Senate Republicans in a horrible political position.

Trump reiterated his threat to declare a national emergency in an interview with CBS News that aired over the weekend. “I don’t take anything off the table,” Trump said, adding in a typically mangled construction that he still retains the “alternative” of “national emergency.”

But Pelosi has recourse against such a declaration — and if she exercises it, Senate Republicans may have to vote on where they stand on it.

Trump does have the power to declare such an emergency under the post-Watergate National Emergencies Act, which also requires him to identify which other specific statute delegating emergency powers he’s invoking. Trump is expected to rely on one of several statutes that authorize military officials, in a presidentially declared emergency, to redirect funds for purposes that are either “essential to the national defense” or support “use of the armed forces.”

The Post reports that acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has privately told Trump that a national emergency is “viable,” and officials at the Army Corps of Engineers are searching for ways to build the wall. This would be challenged in the courts, which would have to decide whether the statute Trump invoked actually does authorize this type of spending.

But Pelosi has a much more immediate way to challenge Trump’s declaration. Under the National Emergencies Act, or NEA, both chambers of Congress can pass a resolution terminating any presidentially declared national emergency.

What Pelosi can do

Elizabeth Goitein, who has researched this topic extensively for the Brennan Center for Justice, tells me that if Pelosi exercises this option, it will ultimately require the Senate to vote on it in some form as well. The NEA stipulates that if one chamber (Pelosi’s House) passes such a resolution, which it easily could do, the other (McConnell’s Senate) must act on it within a very short time period — forcing GOP senators to choose whether to support it.

Alternatively, Goitein notes, the Senate could vote not to consider that resolution or change its rules to avoid such a vote. But in those scenarios, the Senate would, in effect, be voting to greenlight Trump’s emergency declaration.

The NEA lays out a timetable for this process, and by Goitein’s reading, it would all take place within the protracted period of barely longer than a month. “In short, there could be 36 days between introduction of the resolution in the House and a vote on the Senate floor,” Goitein told me, “but that vote would have to happen,” and once it did, one way or the other, it would put senators “on record.”

A Democratic leadership aide tells me the House might opt for this move if Trump takes the plunge. “The House will vigorously challenge any declaration that seeks an end run around Congress’s power of the purse,” the aide says.

Why Republicans are panicking

Republicans themselves have let it be known that they fear this scenario. Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), an adviser to McConnell, has said that a Senate vote on any Trump-declared national emergency would be inevitable, and McConnell has told Trump that Congress might have to act in such a fashion. Both of these appear to be references to a scenario like the one outlined above.

Both men have also said this would deeply divide Republicans. One unnamed Republican senator even told the Washington Examiner that Trump would suffer major defections in such a vote.

GOP senators would have to decide between going on record in favor of a presidential declaration of a national emergency for something that everyone knows is based on false pretenses, a move that would be opposed by two-thirds of the country, or opposing it and possibly forcing a Trump veto (which they then would have to decide whether to override), enraging Trump’s base.

Trump loves his pliable acting Cabinet members

Indeed, it’s worse than this. The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump is privately satisfied with his many “acting” Cabinet members — that is, ones who haven’t been confirmed by the Senate — because they are “more beholden to the Oval Office.” And under a national emergency, it would fall to Trump’s acting defense secretary Pat Shanahan to make the wall happen and perhaps to make a public case for what everyone knows is utter nonsense:

https://twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/1092118061207961600

But as Julian Sanchez points out, avoiding this is exactly why we have the process of Senate confirmation. As Alexander Hamilton wrote, it is supposed to deter a president from filling important slots with people who possess a “pliancy” that will render them “obsequious instruments of his pleasure.”

That, of course, is exactly what Trump wants from his underlings. So we could be looking at a remarkable scenario: The acting defense secretary who would realize the wall — without authorization from Congress — won’t have been confirmed by the upper chamber, which may then end up declining to block Trump’s national emergency, neutering itself further.

And so, GOP senators are basically pleading with Trump not to force them into the position of choosing between that scenario and acting to terminate Trump’s emergency. Of course, the latter would make the shrinking Trump base very, very angry, which may be the most terrifying outcome of all.

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Reply #4964 on: February 05, 2019, 01:27:31 AM
 Both Senate and House Republicans, and Democrats, should be forced into a on the record vote of their individual positions, regarding respecting a Presidents Emergency Declaration, so Voters are quite clear about who is for curbing the illegal invasion of our Southern Border, once and for all.

  Each of them will be before the Voters at some point, and many have led their constituents to believe they are with them about protecting our Nations borders.
Such a vote will allow them to announce proudly their individual position, or allow each to cave into acting on behalf of their political handlers and financiers.

  Whatever they do, however they vote, the ability for the House and Senate to Override a Presidential Veto is unlikely, for the exact same reasons.

  National Emergency Declarations have been made around 50 or more times, since the beginning of the process, the passage of laws by Congress in this regard. A wide variety of reasons and actions have been taken using such power by the Executive Branch, for the very reason that Congress has limited ability to pass the necessary legislation in a timely way, and a limited ability to override a Presidential Veto, in such regard.

  This President was elected, over 17 Republican contenders in the Primaries, as the only ONE to show leadership on this issue, and the only one trusted not to take NO for an answer by Democrats and RINOs in Congress.

  By any means necessary, President Trump MUST drive construction of a WALL, a EFFECTIVE BARRIER that blocks illegal entry along our Southern Border, even when there is no human Customs, Border Protection Officer in place with the means to STOP such illegal behavior.

  Add the drones and electronics and backup fences and whatever it takes, on top of enough and then some additional CPB and other armed personnel to get the job done in a thorough and professional matter, at whatever cost there may be involved.

  Anticipate that Democrats/Rinos, the enemies within, domestic enemies of liberty, may from time to time find ways to turn off the effective use of any process or system to which they can get access, and STILL, need a Barrier that STOPS the invasion PRIOR TO ENTRY.

  With that task DONE, interior enforcement can become the focus, one illegal alien at a time, to rid our Nation of this problem.
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Reply #4965 on: February 05, 2019, 02:15:22 AM


  National Emergency Declarations have been made around 50 or more times, since the beginning of the process

 




Yeah, but I’m sure most of those were actual emergencies.  Trump tanking in the polls and desperately needing a useless horrifically expensive wall for his re-election is not a national emergency, certainly not one Democrats in the House should possibly be expected to buy into.  Why was it not more of an urgent emergency when the Republicans controlled the House, Senate and Executive Branch?  He didn’t build one fucking foot of wall for two fucking years of that?




  With that task DONE, interior enforcement can become the focus, one illegal alien at a time, to rid our Nation of this problem.



So what do you and your doppelgänger Stephen Miller really consider the problem?  I’m guessing my legal brown Spanish-speaking Peruvian girlfriend descended from Quechua Native Americans (they being here in the Amercas millennia before any Europeans) is in your view more of a problem than a white British English speaking illegal?  Fuck you.



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Reply #4966 on: February 05, 2019, 02:34:18 AM

  This President was elected, over 17 Republican contenders in the Primaries,


Funny this was brought up.

Can we skip to the State of the Union response?

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At least with a teleprompter, he can avoid the kind of word salads — or as Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) calls them, “word vomit” — he tossed up in his interview with CBS’s Margaret Brennan. Here’s a chunk of incoherence, lest you think Murphy exaggerates:

MARGARET BRENNAN: The Senate Republicans voted, the vast majority of them said that they don't support what you're doing. That what you're doing risks national intelligence by a precipitous withdrawal from Syria and Afghanistan. Doesn't that concern you?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I ran against 17 Republicans. This was a big part of what I was saying, and I won very easily. I think the people out in the world- I think people in our country agree. We've been fighting for 19 years. Somebody said you were precipitously bringing to- precipitously? We've been there for 19 years. I want to fight. I want to win, and we want to bring our great troops back home. I've seen the people. I go to Walter Reed Hospital. I see what happens to people. I see with no legs and no arm- arms. And I've seen also what happens to them up here because they're in this situation, and they come back and they are totally different people-- where the wives and the fathers and the mothers say, "What has happened to my son? What has happened in some cases to my daughter?" It's a terrible thing. We've been there close to 19 years. And it's time. And we'll see what happens with the Taliban. They want peace. They're tired. Everybody's tired. We'd like to have- I don't like endless wars. This war. What we're doing is got to stop at some point.

MARGARET BRENNAN: But you- but you also campaigned saying that, you know, President Obama made a big mistake by telegraphing his military moves. You're telegraphing your retreat.

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I'm not telegraphing anything.  No, no, no. There's a difference. When President Obama pulled out of Iraq in theory we had Iraq. In other words, we had Iraq. We never had Syria because President Obama never wanted to violate the red line in the sand. So we never had Syria. I was the one that actually violated the red line when I hit Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles, if you remember. But President Obama chose not to do that. When he chose not to do that, he showed tremendous weakness. But we didn't have Syria whereas we had Iraq. So when he did what he did in Iraq, which was a mistake. Being in Iraq was a mistake. Okay. Being in Iraq- it was a big mistake to go- one of the greatest mistakes going into the Middle East that our country has ever made. One of the greatest mistakes that we've ever made--

MARGARET BRENNAN: But you want to keep troops there now?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: --but when it was chosen-- well, we spent a fortune on building this incredible base. We might as well keep it. And one of the reasons I want to keep it is because I want to be looking a little bit at Iran because Iran is a real problem.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Whoa, that's news. You're keeping troops in Iraq because you want to be able to strike in Iran?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, because I want to be able to watch Iran. All I want to do is be able to watch. We have an unbelievable and expensive military base built in Iraq. It's perfectly situated for looking at all over different parts of the troubled Middle East rather than pulling up. And this is what a lot of people don't understand. We're going to keep watching and we're going to keep seeing and if there's trouble, if somebody is looking to do nuclear weapons or other things, we're going to know it before they do.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So you're going to trust the intelligence that you receive?

PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I am going to trust the intelligence that I’m putting there, but I will say this: my intelligence people, if they said in fact that Iran is a wonderful kindergarten, I disagree with them 100 percent. It is a vicious country that kills many people. When you talk about torture and so many other things. And- maybe they’ll come back. The country is getting absolutely- when I ended the horrible Iran nuclear deal- it was a horrible deal done by President Obama and John Kerry that didn’t know what the hell he was doing. When I ended that deal, Margaret, all of a sudden Iran became a different country. They became- very rapidly- right now they’re a country that’s in big financial trouble. Let’s see what happens.


Got that? It’s frightening to hear his stream of consciousness patter but entirely understandable given his aversion to reading and his hours upon hours of executive time wherein he gets information from Fox non-News hosts and other sycophants.

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Reply #4967 on: February 05, 2019, 02:37:42 AM
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he can avoid the kind of word salads — or as Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) calls them, “word vomit”

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Reply #4968 on: February 05, 2019, 03:04:39 AM

So what do you and your doppelgänger Stephen Miller really consider the problem?  I’m guessing my legal brown Spanish-speaking Peruvian girlfriend descended from Quechua Native Americans (they being here in the Amercas millennia before any Europeans) is in your view more of a problem than a white British English speaking illegal?  Fuck you.

 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?

  Your friend is a legal immigrant, as you described, which is wonderful. Hope she enjoys her adopted Nation; and her Liberty, that comes with U.S. Citizenship.

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Reply #4969 on: February 05, 2019, 03:16:54 AM

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Reply #4970 on: February 05, 2019, 03:19:54 AM
 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?

Remember this next time you exceed the speed limit.

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Reply #4971 on: February 05, 2019, 03:21:58 AM
 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?

Donnie Jr. lied to Congress.

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Reply #4972 on: February 05, 2019, 03:23:20 AM
 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?

Donald J. Trump paid $130,000 in illegal compaign contributions.

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Reply #4973 on: February 05, 2019, 03:28:52 AM
 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?

Donald Trump deleted his own tweets, thus destroying presidential records.

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Reply #4974 on: February 05, 2019, 04:30:23 AM
 Illegal is Illegal. Period. What is unclear about that?



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Reply #4975 on: February 05, 2019, 05:02:43 AM
Oh, for heavens sake, Joan. Do you even know what border security is? Do you understand what the cartels do and how much ccontraband they smuggle? It’s a business, and businesses use cost effective means in their logistics.
I know i’m talking over your head, so let me try to penetrate your fuzzy conservative thinking.

They move large amounts through ports of entry, in shipping containers, in semi-trailers, in false compartments of private vehicles.
Why? Because they need to move large amounts to meet demand you stupid cow.

The immigrants come here to get away from gangs, violence and economic and political instability. The first thing they do is turn themselves in to the Border Patrol and request asylum. The ONLY FUCKING EMERGENCY is in the judicial system to process their applications.

To secure the border you need technology for surveillance and personnel for patrolling, and judges to process the applications. Not a low tech wall that hasn’t been designed for the wide range of terrain it is supposed  to be built on.

And your supposed Republican values, respect for individual rights and property rights, your President is proposing to run roughshod over land owners, who know there isn’t an emergency and don’t want the wall. Do you even know how much payment for all that land the government would have to pay? Do you understand how many suits against eminent domain will be brought and cost the government to obtain access to that land? Do you know how much the government will have to spend to create roads over all the rough terrain? How much the government will have to pay for power, and lodging, for in the site production facilities? This isn’t one single bid, it is multiple projects for small packets of borderline construction, which means redundancy and MORE cost.

And your fucking single design wall isn’t going to be adequate to stand on all the different terrain from sand to loam to bedrock to riverbank. It is designed to physically fail.
And we haven’t even started to talk about how building on  the rio grande will erode and degrade both the land and whatever barrier is built there. And let us not forget what it will do to the land owners remaining land. Deny them access to water, cede land to Mexico, and cause significant seasonal flooding.

But I don’t expect unthinking, knee-jerk Republicans to use critical thought processes and analysis, I fully expect them to put their heads up Trump’s ass and follow dogma blindly.

Trump doesn’t understand what border security means. He doesn’t negotiate, he won’t compromise. He is a failure, incompetent, and unfit.

And every single person who supports him is guilty of helping him destroy our democratic institutions and destroying our nation.

All we need now is a Reichstag fire. And Trump is looking for one. You are the enemy.


 Both Senate and House Republicans, and Democrats, should be forced into a on the record vote of their individual positions, regarding respecting a Presidents Emergency Declaration, so Voters are quite clear about who is for curbing the illegal invasion of our Southern Border, once and for all.

  Each of them will be before the Voters at some point, and many have led their constituents to believe they are with them about protecting our Nations borders.
Such a vote will allow them to announce proudly their individual position, or allow each to cave into acting on behalf of their political handlers and financiers.

  Whatever they do, however they vote, the ability for the House and Senate to Override a Presidential Veto is unlikely, for the exact same reasons.

  National Emergency Declarations have been made around 50 or more times, since the beginning of the process, the passage of laws by Congress in this regard. A wide variety of reasons and actions have been taken using such power by the Executive Branch, for the very reason that Congress has limited ability to pass the necessary legislation in a timely way, and a limited ability to override a Presidential Veto, in such regard.

  This President was elected, over 17 Republican contenders in the Primaries, as the only ONE to show leadership on this issue, and the only one trusted not to take NO for an answer by Democrats and RINOs in Congress.

  By any means necessary, President Trump MUST drive construction of a WALL, a EFFECTIVE BARRIER that blocks illegal entry along our Southern Border, even when there is no human Customs, Border Protection Officer in place with the means to STOP such illegal behavior.

  Add the drones and electronics and backup fences and whatever it takes, on top of enough and then some additional CPB and other armed personnel to get the job done in a thorough and professional matter, at whatever cost there may be involved.

  Anticipate that Democrats/Rinos, the enemies within, domestic enemies of liberty, may from time to time find ways to turn off the effective use of any process or system to which they can get access, and STILL, need a Barrier that STOPS the invasion PRIOR TO ENTRY.

  With that task DONE, interior enforcement can become the focus, one illegal alien at a time, to rid our Nation of this problem.

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Reply #4976 on: February 05, 2019, 05:27:03 AM
Oh, for heavens sake, Joan. Do you even know what border security is? Do you understand what the cartels do and how much ccontraband they smuggle? It’s a business, and businesses use cost effective means in their logistics.

John lives over 1,700 miles from the Southern border and has likely never visited.  He gets this vital information, and forms his opinions, based on a steady feed of Fox claptrap delivered by bleach blond vixens selected to stimulate Trump’s medulla oblongata.



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Reply #4977 on: February 05, 2019, 06:40:53 AM
More spam from Athos, understandable as he is incapable of discourse.

Excuses to allow continued flow of unwanted, unauthorized, unvetted aliens to continue unabated forever, from the rest, at least so far.

Of course there are needs besides the wall, in addition to the effective passive wall, in addition to putting a FULL STOP on ready passage and illegal entry to the U.S. at the Southern Border, and FULL STOP must be the first priority, and in a manner that cannot be made passable by domestic enemies of all types.

Mines would serve the purpose, and due to PC are not in the cards, and thus the permanent passive barrier to entry is the necessary solution to that problem.

Other priorities are strong, and need to be funded fully as well as the Wall and this is as good a time as any to begin FULLY funding these efforts, and not let the 'can' be kicked down the road, past the next election again, and again.

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Reply #4978 on: February 05, 2019, 06:44:00 AM
More spam from Athos, understandable as he is incapable of discourse.

Discourse is not doxxing someone.  Oh, that's right you never apologized for that.

Once again you are angry I showed you up.

You are incapable of being a human.

Fuck off, racist.

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Reply #4979 on: February 05, 2019, 06:58:21 AM
You're too cowardly to admit wrongdoing anyway.

It's hilarious you whine about illegal activity, then when facts are presented to whine about spam.

You have no argument.  You have no morals, you have nothing but racism, hate and shitposting.

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