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Lois · **Reply #3200 on:** October 13, 2017, 04:42:56 PM

Quote from: Lois on October 12, 2017, 05:28:56 PM

Quote from: joan1984 on October 12, 2017, 05:22:56 PM
The 'fake news' story Lois believes is real, about how the President wants to go to war, and demands 10x the Nuclear Ability we have today has been fully debunked. Lois and NBC believe it. Oh well...

I did not get it from NBC. It was taken from numerous sources and from Trump's own words which indicated he is planning for war.

And show me where this has been debunked.

I am still waiting for Joan to show me this has been debunked.

Is she referring to Trump calling it false news?

Not exactly debunked. Trump lies all the time and is not a credible source.

Lois · **Reply #3201 on:** October 13, 2017, 05:23:03 PM

GOP Governor Ben Sasse has a question for Joan, if she is a conservative which I doubt:

Question for conservatives:
What will you wish you had said now if someday a President Elizabeth Warren talks about censoring Fox News?

And a question from me. How do you feel about our next President shutting down Breithate?

Fortunately, revoking broadcast licenses would not be easy. And thus Trump may be saved from folly.

joan1984 · **Reply #3202 on:** October 13, 2017, 07:09:21 PM

As you note, is not easy to pull a broadcast license. I don't have his exact verbiage in front of me, and often he tends to "wish" when such issues draw attention, and is not personally threatening Presidential action.

Great speech today to the Values Voter Summit. Good stuff.

MissBarbara · **Reply #3203 on:** October 14, 2017, 12:38:35 AM

Quote from: joan1984 on October 13, 2017, 07:09:21 PM

Great speech today to the Values Voter Summit. Good stuff.

Yeah, "good stuff":

"The American Founders invoked our Creator four times in the Declaration of Independence -- four times."

But the didn't invoke our Creator even once in the U.S. Constitution -- zero times.

"In the last 10 months, we have followed through on one promise after another."

For example, we promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, and...oh wait, our efforts completely and embarrassingly failed. Okay, we promised to build a wall across our southern border AND get Mexico to pay for it and...oh rats, we didn't follow through on that either. We promised that every American would get a tax cut, especially the middle class, and....well, we're working on tax cuts for the richest Americans, so that counts, right?

"We are stopping cold the attacks on Judeo-Christian values."

But we're doing nothing to stop the attacks on Americans who aren't white, straight Christian males of European decent. In fact, we're encouraging them! [Applause]

Okay, I've never even come close to living those Judeo-Christian values myself, neither in my personal life nor my public life, but God Bless America! [Applause]

"In this administration, we will call evil by its name."

But we have a very, very strict definition of what we believe is "evil." Racism -- that's not evil, that's patriotism! Discrimination against anyone who isn't a white, straight Christian male of European decent -- that's not evil, that's what it means to be a Great American!

Athos_131 · **Reply #3204 on:** October 14, 2017, 01:17:50 AM

Report: NBA teams now staying away from Trump Hotel properties

#Resist

Lois · **Reply #3205 on:** October 14, 2017, 02:48:11 AM

Quote from: joan1984 on October 13, 2017, 07:09:21 PM

Great speech today to the Values Voter Summit. Good stuff.

Yes, because it's always good to hear the "grab 'em by the pussy" President talk about values to a bunch of assholes that want to tell you who you can and can't marry.

This is the first time an American President has addressed an anti-LBGTQ group.

Sorry Trump, but hate is not an American value or a family value.

RopeFiend · **Reply #3206 on:** October 14, 2017, 03:20:31 AM

Just got this from the Environmental Working Group:

URGENT: Senate Vote Happening NEXT WEEK!

The Senate may vote on chemical industry hack’s EPA confirmation next week.

Dear Friend,

We weren’t sure it could get any worse than Scott Pruitt, but it has.

Michael Dourson, President Trump’s nominee to lead the Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention at the Environmental Protection Agency, is a chemical industry hack, and has spent his career advocating against strong standards on pesticides and toxic chemicals in consumer products.

His consulting firm has been paid by chemical industry giants like Monsanto and Dow AgroSciences to produce junk science downplaying the serious harm chemicals like chlorpyrifos and 1,4-dioxane can wreak on the human body and the environment.

It’s time to put a stop to Trump’s anti-science, pro-chemical-industry nominee. We need the Senate to reject Dourson’s nomination. Can we count on you to help us?

Click here to tell your senators to vote NO on Michael Dourson’s nomination to lead the Office of Chemical Safety and Pollution Prevention at the EPA. He is a chemical industry hack, and cannot be trusted to protect Americans and the environment from hazardous chemicals!
http://action.ewg.org/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=2360&tag=201710Dourson&track=ACTION_DoursonC4

At his consulting firm, Toxicology Excellence for Risk Assessment, or TERA, Dourson produced industry-funded studies on a huge range of chemicals, consistently coming up with results that drastically downplayed health risks and advocated for weaker safety standards. Here are just a few examples:

Dourson has helped DuPont avoid liability damages for PFOA, a dangerous chemical used in Teflon that is linked to cancer and thyroid disease.
In a study funded by Dow AgroSciences, Dourson argued it would be safe for children ages 1 to 2 to consume the toxic pesticide chlorpyrifos at levels more than 5,000 times higher than the limit proposed by the EPA in 2016.
Dourson worked with the American Chemistry Council, a chemical industry front group, to fight against efforts to ban toxic flame retardant chemicals. These chemicals have been linked to cancer, reduced IQ, infertility and learning disorders.
We need to take action now, before it’s too late – the Senate could vote on Dourson’s confirmation NEXT WEEK. Your senators need to hear from you right now if they’re going to make the right choice and vote NO on Dourson’s confirmation.

Take one minute right now and let your senators know how you feel. Urge them to vote NO on Dourson’s confirmation. We need the EPA to fight to protect Americans’ health, not chemical industry profits!
http://action.ewg.org/p/dia/action4/common/public/?action_KEY=2360&tag=201710Dourson&track=ACTION_DoursonC4

Thanks for standing with us, Friend.

EWG Action Fund

Northwest · **Reply #3207 on:** October 14, 2017, 04:43:37 AM

Quote from: MissBarbara on October 14, 2017, 12:38:35 AM

Quote from: joan1984 on October 13, 2017, 07:09:21 PM

Great speech today to the Values Voter Summit. Good stuff.

Yeah, "good stuff":

"The American Founders invoked our Creator four times in the Declaration of Independence -- four times."

But the didn't invoke our Creator even once in the U.S. Constitution -- zero times.

"In the last 10 months, we have followed through on one promise after another."

For example, we promised to repeal and replace Obamacare, and...oh wait, our efforts completely and embarrassingly failed. Okay, we promised to build a wall across our southern border AND get Mexico to pay for it and...oh rats, we didn't follow through on that either. We promised that every American would get a tax cut, especially the middle class, and....well, we're working on tax cuts for the richest Americans, so that counts, right?

"We are stopping cold the attacks on Judeo-Christian values."

But we're doing nothing to stop the attacks on Americans who aren't white, straight Christian males of European decent. In fact, we're encouraging them! [Applause]

Okay, I've never even come close to living those Judeo-Christian values myself, neither in my personal life nor my public life, but God Bless America! [Applause]

"In this administration, we will call evil by its name."

But we have a very, very strict definition of what we believe is "evil." Racism -- that's not evil, that's patriotism! Discrimination against anyone who isn't a white, straight Christian male of European decent -- that's not evil, that's what it means to be a Great American!

I like this. Woo for you.

watcher1 · **Reply #3208 on:** October 14, 2017, 08:56:46 PM

I think I have found the ideal theme song for our President and his minions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I

joan1984 · **Reply #3209 on:** October 14, 2017, 09:09:23 PM

So, was Barry McGuire correct, really? Was the time he describes truly the Eve of Destruction? Of course not. Did Hippys and other left leaning souls think it was, and cry out about it, and try to upend whoever was making decisions at the time? Of course.

Hyperbole much? The same is true today. Life happens, adults deal with it, and then adults attempt to get those dragging their feet out of the way.

Good song, of course... go Barry!

watcher1 · **Reply #3210 on:** October 14, 2017, 09:24:27 PM

The 1960s was a very volatile decade. Assassinations of prominent people, the war in Vietnam, social unrest, etc. Luckily, President Kennedy had defused the atomic bomb situation by having Khrushchev blink first over the build up in Cuba. Whether he would never have involved us as deeply as Johnson did in Vietnam will never be known. But the Presidents of the 1960s used tact, unlike our current President. They did not spout off what can be perceived as threats to Russia, China or others. They talked tough but did it tactfully. Our current President reminds me of a bully. And sooner or later, someone will call out a bully and either make him eat his words or walk the talk. In these times, I, for one, do not wish to see that happen.

Athos_131 · **Reply #3211 on:** October 15, 2017, 12:21:56 AM

Quote from: joan1984 on October 13, 2017, 07:09:21 PM

Great speech today to the Values Voter Summit. Good stuff.

I thought joan1984 was a member of the LGBT community.

#Resist

joan1984 · **Reply #3212 on:** October 15, 2017, 12:26:00 AM

So, umm, when exactly did this 'destruction' happen, and to whom?

Take a minute, whatever, plenty of time to respond... or was this just a catch tune, taken seriously by the usual suspects... you all know who...?

Athos_131 · **Reply #3213 on:** October 15, 2017, 12:27:43 AM

Quote from: joan1984 on October 15, 2017, 12:26:00 AM

So, umm, when exactly did this 'destruction' happen, and to whom?

Take a minute, whatever, plenty of time to respond... or was this just a catch tune, taken seriously by the usual suspects... you all know who...?

Quote from: joan1984 on October 10, 2017, 02:04:32 AM