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Reply #2520 on: July 15, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
  Has anyone with the authority to do it, charged a crime? If so, exactly what crime is alleged, and who has been charged?


Don't you have to listen to Richard Spencer speak somewhere?

Robert Mueller is building multiple indictments for multiple people.    He's not going to close his case until he feels all parties and crimes are covered.


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Reply #2521 on: July 15, 2017, 01:05:51 PM
‘Lie after lie after lie’: Fox News’s Shepard Smith has a Cronkite moment on Russia

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We’re still not clean on this, Chris [Wallace]. If there’s nothing there — and that’s what they tell us, they tell us there’s nothing to this and nothing came of it, there’s a nothingburger, it wasn’t even memorable, didn’t write it down, didn’t tell you about it, because it wasn’t anything so I didn’t even remember it — with a Russian interpreter in the room at Trump Tower? If all of that, why all these lies? Why is it lie after lie after lie? If you clean, come on clean, you know? My grandmother used to say when first we practice to — Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. The deception, Chris, is mind-boggling. And there are still people who are out there who believe we’re making it up. And one day they’re gonna realize we’re not and look around and go, Where are we, and why are we getting told all these lies?

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Reply #2522 on: July 15, 2017, 04:06:10 PM
And humor is how we get through it without going mad...

Couldn’t We Just Trade Presidents?
Gail Collins

Why can’t Emmanuel Macron be our president?

American citizens watching Donald Trump’s visit to Paris must have wondered how we got the wrong guy. Macron seemed so smart, so charming. The fact that he didn’t father any children would not normally be a big selling point, but right now we are yearning for a president with no offspring.

Speaking of which, the Paris journey was dogged by questions about that meeting Donald Trump Jr. took during the presidential campaign. The one at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer who was advertised as the bearer of “information that would incriminate Hillary.”

Every day the meeting guest list grows larger. First Son-in-Law Jared Kushner was there. Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign manager, was there. Rob Goldstone, the British P.R. guy who likes to post pictures of himself in funny hats was there — representing a Russian pop singer whose dad is besties with Vladimir Putin.

Latest addition: Rinat Akhmetshin, a former Soviet military officer who’s currently a lobbyist in Washington. Akhmetshin is rather well known in our nation’s capital, where he was recently mentioned by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee in a letter complaining about people who register as lobbyists when they really ought to be registering as foreign agents.

And Akhmetshin might have brought somebody else along. Possibly an interpreter. Or something. This information came from Donald Trump Jr.’s lawyer, who is not to be confused with Jared Kushner’s lawyer or President Trump’s lawyer.

Pop Quiz: Who else do you think might have been present for that Trump Tower meeting?

A) Ivanka

B) Tiffany

C) Ryan Seacrest

D) Boris and Natasha

Donald Trump was not at the meeting. Didn’t even know about it. Until later. Even then only barely. Lately, when he’s defending his son, Trump has taken to using terms that suggest Junior was accused of cheating on a Boy Scout swim test. Talking with reporters on his flight to Paris, Trump called his eldest “a good boy. He’s a good kid.” This was, as many people observed, while he was on his way to a meeting with the president of France, who is, at 39, exactly the same age as Donald Trump Jr.

On that plane ride, the president also took a question about whether he was really serious about building a Mexican wall with solar panels on top. The answer is, totally. Also, the wall is going to be transparent.

You heard me. This administration is very committed to transparency in everything from releasing Junior’s emails 10 minutes before The New York Times was going to publish them to the border barrier.

“You have to be able to see through it,” the president of the United States explained, because otherwise “when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them — they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff. It’s over.”

Once he was back on the ground, Trump had a great time in Paris. Macron pulled out all the stops. Dinner at the Eiffel Tower. Big parade with lots of guns and airplanes. Although the French were celebrating Bastille Day, they added in the 100th anniversary of American troops’ entry into World War I. So you got the impression everything was really all about Trump, which is the best way to our president’s heart.

Trump was so touched he grabbed Macron in a handshake that evolved through so many expressions of affection it could have been featured on a dating site. He also attempted to compliment Macron’s glamorous 64-year-old wife by saying, “You’re in such good shape.”

We should note here that Melania Trump did fine. The Parisian press praised her wardrobe. Unlike her husband, she didn’t say anything weird. Nobody accused her of having sinister meetings with Russians. Give the woman some credit.

Macron was such a successful host that Trump seemed to develop second thoughts on the global warming thing. “And yeah, I mean, something could happen with respect to the Paris Accord. … And if it happens, that’ll be wonderful. …” Trump also took back his previous blasts at Paris, a city he’d claimed wasn’t safe because of the terrorists they’d let come in.

“You know what, it’s going to be just fine, because you have a great president,” he said. The sun rises and sets, and then a new reality is born.

The matter of Junior and the Russian meeting did come up during a brief press conference Trump and Macron held. (Trump, who was supposed to call on two American journalists, called on one American and one Chinese TV reporter.) “I will not interfere in U.S. domestic policy,” said Macron. Trump, who liked that answer a lot, said his son was “a great young man” who did something “a lot of people would do.”

It’s beginning to sound like a lot of people did do it. Of course, they were all either Russians and their associates or top members of the Trump inner circle. If only they’d met in a transparent room.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/14/opinion/couldnt-we-just-trade-presidents.html



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Reply #2523 on: July 15, 2017, 05:56:16 PM






  Has anyone with the authority to do it, charged a crime? If so, exactly what crime is alleged, and who has been charged?


Don't you have to listen to Richard Spencer speak somewhere?

Robert Mueller is building multiple indictments for multiple people.    He's not going to close his case until he feels all parties and crimes are covered.

The answer is NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGEDby those who are in authority to do so. None.

While you remain hopeful about SC Mueller, you KNOW of no illegal activity that rises to the point of a CRIME, and Charges. Nothing.

Thank you.




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Reply #2524 on: July 15, 2017, 08:09:50 PM






  Has anyone with the authority to do it, charged a crime? If so, exactly what crime is alleged, and who has been charged?


Don't you have to listen to Richard Spencer speak somewhere?

Robert Mueller is building multiple indictments for multiple people.    He's not going to close his case until he feels all parties and crimes are covered.

The answer is NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGEDby those who are in authority to do so. None.

While you remain hopeful about SC Mueller, you KNOW of no illegal activity that rises to the point of a CRIME, and Charges. Nothing.

Thank you.





That's a pretty narrow plank you've walked yourself out onto Joan. No, nobody has been indicted...yet. And nobody's been impeached yet either. Are you in the mood for a major cash bet on where we'll be in two years, however?

The way I've seen it work with special prosecutors is that they keep their cards close, right up until they are ready to strike, and then they strike everybody who they are going after all at once. So until (and if) that happens, nobody can tell where they're at. But i wouldn't presume that just because we can't see anything coming out of the prosecutor's office yet that they are ignoring what's going on.

Many in the Trump Administration could already be charged with a crime based on what's know at this point, but I've not heard anyone suggest that we're at the end of this yet. Quite the contrary; we're at the very beginning. Mueller's people are still moving into their new offices.

Here's an interesting point of contrast, however. Do you remember that time when everyone in Obama's White House lawyered up? Me neither. Trump's White House contains enough CRIMINAL lawyers to cast a season of Law and Order; Washington. Now why do you suppose they would hire all of those $500 an hour guys unless they were pretty sure they needed them?



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Reply #2525 on: July 15, 2017, 08:37:29 PM
Oops, shit! This just came out while I was typing my last message (seriously). It's hard to keep up. I think several more new lawyers have been brought on by 'Team Trump' in just the last twenty fours hours. It's damn near impossible to keep up with all of the threads of this story. I mean, I'm thinking of hiring a secretary.

White House Hires New Lawyer Expected To Help With Russia Response



The White House announced Saturday the appointment of Washington lawyer Ty Cobb as special counsel, after reports that President Trump’s advisors were looking to beef up the in-house team defending him in the growing Russia scandal.

Cobb is a partner in the investigations practice of Hogan Lovells, a white collar D.C. law firm. His hiring was first reported by Bloomberg Friday.

He joins the White House’s team of lawyers after a particularly tumultuous week of the ongoing allegations of ties between Russia and Trump-connected figures during the 2016 campaign. A week ago it was revealed the Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr. met with Kremlin-aligned figures in June 2016—a meeting attended by then-campaign chair Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner, the President’s son-in-law and a top adviser.

The White House was reportedly blindsided by the revelations. The initial response from Donald Trump Jr. was undermined by Don Jr.’s own emails leading up to the meeting. The younger Trump posted the emails on Twitter as the New York Times was about to report them. They revealed that Don Jr. knew the figures he was meeting with had ties to the Russian government and that he was expecting them to offer damaging information about Hillary Clinton.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ty-cobb-white-house-hires-lawyer



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Reply #2526 on: July 15, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGED

You need a vocabulary test.

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Reply #2527 on: July 15, 2017, 11:02:46 PM

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Reply #2528 on: July 15, 2017, 11:11:45 PM

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Reply #2529 on: July 15, 2017, 11:26:55 PM
John Oliver explains how his ‘stupid Watergate’ joke has suddenly turned relevant

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“We called this whole looming scandal … way back in March, we came up with this framing device for this, ‘stupid Watergate’: The idea that it’s something with all the gravitas of Watergate, but where everyone involved is stupid and bad at everything,” he said. “Unfortunately, it was supposed to be just a self-contained joke, but current events are making it more and more relevant. Which is not normally how jokes work.”

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Reply #2530 on: July 15, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
Again, please inform us of the information you have specifically.
Exactly who has been charged with a crime by a legitimate authority?
Exactly what is the crime alleged and charged?

You know what is said about Opinions, and Aholes, more than many I expect.
Opinions, Editorials, wouda, coulda, shoulda reports, What If reports, all have a place in our social culture, and when clearly marked as Editorial/Opinion, we all can take the comments for what we each think they may be worth.

When such is reported as NEWS, sensationalized in HEADLINES that intimate a conclusion, a conclusion that has not happened by meaningful authorities with the power to bring a Charge, then the content is not NEWS, is FAKE NEWS, whether elements of the story in fact happened, are true or not exactly, said
"NEWS" is not news but Editorial Utterances, naturally with a bias, FAKE NEWS.

You have no CHARGE details at all, regardless of what the text of any law may be, or what others write about them from their safe spaces as "former"...


NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGED

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Reply #2531 on: July 15, 2017, 11:40:05 PM

Exactly what is the crime alleged and charged?


NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGED

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You need a vocabulary test. 

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Reply #2532 on: July 15, 2017, 11:42:44 PM
I challenge anyone to provide credible sources that refute any posts from the New York Times, The Hill, Wall Street Journal, or The Washington Post.

Screaming fake news or claiming nothing to see here is not proof.

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Reply #2533 on: July 15, 2017, 11:44:01 PM
Mindless drivel. NO CRIME HAS BEEN CHARGED.
Your shiftless carping not withstanding, No Crime, NADA.
May something happen in the future to change this? Unknown.

NO CRIME CHARGED AS OF JUY 15, 2017.

Move on.


Exactly what is the crime alleged and charged?


NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGED

You need a vocabulary test.

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You need a vocabulary test. 

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Reply #2534 on: July 15, 2017, 11:46:50 PM

NO CRIME CHARGED AS OF JUY 15, 2017.



Now you need a spelling test.

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Reply #2535 on: July 15, 2017, 11:49:18 PM





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Reply #2536 on: July 16, 2017, 04:04:20 AM

  Has anyone with the authority to do it, charged a crime? If so, exactly what crime is alleged, and who has been charged?


Don't you have to listen to Richard Spencer speak somewhere?

Robert Mueller is building multiple indictments for multiple people.    He's not going to close his case until he feels all parties and crimes are covered.

The answer is NO CRIME HAS BEEN ALLEGED OR CHARGEDby those who are in authority to do so. None.

While you remain hopeful about SC Mueller, you KNOW of no illegal activity that rises to the point of a CRIME, and Charges. Nothing.

Thank you.


Two crimes have already become apparent:

1. Dismissing the FBI Director to stop the investigation into Trump's campaign ties with Russia , aka obstruction of Justice

2.  A willingness to accept stolen goods (Trump, Jr.)

But of course the case is still being investigated and it is likely that no criminal indictments will happen until the investigation is wrapping up.

If after eight Benghazi investigations there are still no criminal charges filed, I will then concede your point, Joan.



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Reply #2537 on: July 16, 2017, 06:21:31 AM

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Reply #2538 on: July 16, 2017, 04:38:45 PM
Trump campaign paid firm of lawyer representing Trump Jr. before emails were made public

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U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia sought to help elect Trump, a determination the president has publicly questioned, and Congress and a special counsel are investigating alleged collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

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Earlier this year, Trump's campaign committee was asked by the Senate Intelligence Committee to gather and produce Russia-related documents, emails and phone records, drawing the political group into the investigation.

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Reply #2539 on: July 16, 2017, 04:40:54 PM

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