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Reply #1880 on: May 01, 2017, 11:54:21 PM
@ Joan

More likely you will be hiding in Bolivia. Trump's attacks on the Constitution won't go down well. Bannon will be a paraih and hiding with you. I hope you like him a lot. Otherwise it could get awkward.



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Reply #1881 on: May 02, 2017, 04:09:01 AM

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Reply #1882 on: May 02, 2017, 04:11:05 AM

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Reply #1883 on: May 02, 2017, 04:45:40 AM
There is a basic reason why the founding fathers designed our governmental system to be inefficient. It keeps the government for oppressing the citizenry.

It is a base defense of demorcracy and the republic.

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.


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Reply #1884 on: May 02, 2017, 05:20:45 AM
A very good article, worth the read.  I especially like the part about how Trump voters don't believe experts. This is actually true of many Americans who think that they are the experts because they read something on the internet.  :roll:

Trump sure does not know how government works.  What would he do if he did not have executive orders?

He'll run the country like a business.  Oh, you mean a dictatorship?  Not so fast buddy.


Donald Trump thought being president “would be easier” — and so did his deeply ignorant voters
What can you even say? The profound political illiteracy of roughly half our electorate brought us to this
BOB CESCA

“Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck,” the great George Carlin once said. “Where does everybody think these politicians come from?” he asked, “They don’t fall out of the sky. They don’t pass through a membrane from another reality.” Carlin observed that it’s American voters — “selfish, ignorant citizens” who give us “selfish, ignorant politicians.”

Carlin’s view of our “garbage in, garbage out” electoral system couldn’t have been illustrated with more obvious accuracy than with the election of Donald Trump as president. In just about every way, Trump’s win is a direct reflection of the cynical, superficial, nearsighted mentality of too many 2016 voters who thought it’d be more appropriate to elect a berserker president as a “fuck you” to the left than to consider what kind of irreparable damage might occur by electing an incompetent reality-show stooge and tabloid New York socialite as leader of the free world.

In an interview with Reuters last week, the president said, “This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier.” Of course he thought it would be easier: Otherwise he wouldn’t have run. Again Trump’s ignorance on display. You would think he might have asked around before deciding to commit millions of his own fortune to run in the first place.

Instead, Trump based his assumptions on a narrow, uninformed pop-culture view of what it means to be president. He never fully grasped that the presidency isn’t a retirement option or a TV-host gig. It’s real work requiring almost inhuman discipline as well as a near-comprehensive understanding of the realities of American politics. Granted, no one’s ever fully prepared to be president directly out of the box, but most candidates with serious aspirations are at least aware of the fact that it’s one of the most challenging and sobering occupations on the planet, requiring a deadly serious attitude and sacrifices we can barely begin to list here.

That said, Donald Trump couldn’t have reached this point without the support of 62 million voters who seemed to also believe that anyone can do the job — even a guy whose words and deeds were and have always been unserious. In the years following the Watergate scandal and the demystification of the presidency, too many voters have become convinced that anyone can be president as long as they pretend to be folksy. The political ascension of George W. Bush and Sarah Palin further softened the ground for the ultimate dumbing down of GOP voters.

Likewise, Trump’s supporters watched him for 12 years on “The Apprentice,” pretending to be engaged, pretending to be authoritative, pretending to fire people, not knowing that reality shows are mostly scripted and staged. During the endless campaign season, they watched as he showed off his best (and most meaningless) pitchman adjectives, backed with narcissistic bluster. They assumed he could easily handle the rigors of the job because, hey, how difficult could it really be? They falsely assumed that if that black guy from Kenya could do it, Donald Trump would knock it out of the park, right?

If anything, Trump’s crazy train of loyalists picked up more passengers as his public statements and scandals grew worse and worse. Why? Possibly because they simply didn’t recognize, unlike the rest of us, Republicans and Democrats alike, that those scandals, during the campaign or following the election, were disqualifying events,.

Tom Nichols, a Naval War College professor, is the author of a poignant new book, “The Death of Expertise: The Campaign Against Established Knowledge and Why It Matters.” Nichols dissected the current dominance of social media and with it the rise of a phenomenon in which nonexperts believe they’re experts in everything, while refusing to accept the word of actual experts. There couldn’t be a volume better suited for the Age of Trump, when disinformation, whether domestic or foreign in origin, is so heavily dragging the discourse away from facts and reality.

In a recap of Trump’s first 100 days, Nichols also published an article for USA Today in which he observed that Trump’s voters aren’t bothered by his incompetence because they don’t possess enough of a basic understanding of politics to recognize why his presidency is such a calamity.

“It is a matter of political literacy,” Nichols wrote. “The fact of the matter is that too many Trump supporters do not hold the president responsible for his mistakes or erratic behavior because they are incapable of recognizing them as mistakes. They lack the foundational knowledge and basic political engagement required to know the difference between facts and errors, or even between truth and lies.”

It shouldn’t require a higher education in American government to be an informed voter. But when voters begin experimenting with the presidency, as is the case with an untested, inexperienced celebrity like Trump, it’s obvious they lack the basic vocabulary to understand why this experiment will surely fail. Worse, this political illiteracy prevents voters from having a clear understanding of what could happen if an erratic cartoon supervillain becomes president. In other words, Trumpers failed to grasp the catastrophic consequences of their ill-conceived experiment. Then again, who can blame them when the conservative entertainment complex and the entire Republican Party — along with, yes, Russian intelligence operatives — helped to confirm their biases?

Elsewhere, the cable news media has been actively scolding anyone who condescends to Trump voters for their uninformed, knee-jerk decisions. OK, we don’t have to be jerks about it, but we can’t reinforce this lack of political literacy by allowing it to become normalized or widely accepted. When American citizens make stupid, existentially flawed decisions, they should be corrected. We can’t wait for a thousand horrible things to collapse on our heads so Trumpers will finally see the light. Nichols wrote in his USA Today piece, “Even so, the unwillingness of so many of [Trump’s] supporters to hold him to even a minimal standard of accountability means that a certain amount of condescension from the rest of us is unavoidable.” Exactly.

“Selfish, ignorant voters,” as Carlin said, have burdened us with a phenomenally unstable and disorganized administration that’s ignoring the delicate nature of international diplomacy and is therefore on the verge of precipitating wars with at least two nations, North Korea and Syria, if not more. One of those wars might include nuclear weapons.

We’re already engaged in a cyberwar against Russia, with more than a few members of the administration linked to Vladimir Putin, including the secretary of state and the secretary of commerce. If Trumpers genuinely understood how dangerous these events were, the president’s approval ratings would be several orders of magnitude lower than they are already. If they understood that Trump’s so-far failed attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act would have stripped millions of Trump voters of their insurance, he might already have been impeached.

Nichols concluded by correcting The Washington Post’s new motto, “Democracy dies in darkness,” with a more appropriate suggestion: “American democracy will die in dumbness.” If there’s a silver lining to the current Trump crisis — and that’s a big “if” — this is it: We can’t ever again experiment this recklessly with our votes, especially our presidential choices. When the other shoe drops, we’re all going to learn a painful lesson about the fragility of our democracy.

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/01/donald-trump-thought-being-president-would-be-easier-and-so-did-his-deeply-ignorant-voters/



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Reply #1885 on: May 02, 2017, 07:45:42 AM
(Yes, Lois; the simple fact is that the Republican party has become the party of ignorance, spouting ignorant ideas which play well to ignorant people. The ultimate question is whether a democracy can withstand such a cynical and self-destructive ploy.)

Is Trump's Campaign Act Wearing Thin?

The more his presidency stalls, the more he turns to his old tricks. But there are signs those worn tactics are losing their power.

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The number of people engaging with Trump on Twitter—through likes, retweets, quotes and replies—has gradually declined, according to an Associated Press analysis of his feed and the users who read, react and propel his words throughout the Twittersphere….

Before his 50th day in office, a little over 32 percent of his tweets averaged around 60,000 engagements including retweets, replies, and quote tweets. But after day 50, no day has reached that level of engagement. Before then, 60 percent of the days' tweets got over 50,000 engagements. After, only 3 have—9 percent.

Read the rest here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trump-campaign-tactics/524946/



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Reply #1886 on: May 02, 2017, 10:35:01 AM
This, from the forecaster of the last election, who was 100% wrong... and in good company...

so who exactly is it who believes in fairy tales...

good thing President Trump is not gay, or black, or trans, at least at this point, as Democrats would have absolutely nothing to express their butthurt about...

Get over it.

You lost.

To quote the prophet, "Elections Have Consequences..."


@ Joan

More likely you will be hiding in Bolivia. Trump's attacks on the Constitution won't go down well. Bannon will be a paraih and hiding with you. I hope you like him a lot. Otherwise it could get awkward.

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


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Reply #1887 on: May 02, 2017, 01:03:13 PM
Elections have consequences, indeed.

Not all consequences are good. We now have a president who thinks someone died and made him king. He shows unbridled admiration for the leaders of  authoritarian regimes. He wants to change the governance of our country so he can exercise unregulated power. He has only a loose familiarity with reality, facts and truth, like all authoritarian leaders.

What are you going to do when the Reichstag burns, Joan?

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Reply #1888 on: May 02, 2017, 07:13:13 PM
Hey Joan. Trump lost the popular vote, remember?

I have every right to feel butthurt about the fact that Trump only won because of the Russians and slight majority of voters in a couple of swing states.



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Reply #1889 on: May 03, 2017, 12:37:05 AM

#BlackLivesMatter
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Reply #1890 on: May 03, 2017, 01:44:24 AM

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Reply #1891 on: May 03, 2017, 02:39:01 AM

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Reply #1892 on: May 04, 2017, 01:43:53 AM
Why CNN refused to air Trump’s new ad targeting ‘fake news’

#Resist

I've never heard of any President spending money to try to bring his poll numbers up AFTER an election.  He must fear that he is a fake President.

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Reply #1893 on: May 04, 2017, 02:16:41 AM
I fear he is absolutely a fake president.

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Reply #1894 on: May 08, 2017, 12:22:35 AM

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Reply #1895 on: May 08, 2017, 12:23:16 AM

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Reply #1896 on: May 08, 2017, 05:06:48 PM

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Reply #1897 on: May 08, 2017, 11:45:36 PM

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Reply #1898 on: May 09, 2017, 12:18:40 AM

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Reply #1899 on: May 10, 2017, 01:58:28 AM
Trump just fired FBI director James Comey.  Is this so he can go after HRC for her emails?