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Reply #1860 on: April 27, 2017, 08:01:40 AM
Follow the money.  It is said that Trump did not pay is campaign staff.  I want to know who did.



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Reply #1861 on: April 27, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
(I think Trump's notion that he can make major changes to the tax system without revealing his own tax history is simply too ridiculous for consideration. That dog won't hunt. Tax reform (at least tax reform that's  anything like what we've heard about this week) will go the way of Obamacare repeal; another DOA.)

On the imaging of how to govern when there's no there there:

How Trump's Religion of 'Winning' Is Sabotaging His Presidency

I wanted to flag to your attention this new piece by our crack Capitol Hill team of Alice Ollstein and Tierney Sneed. I’ve been telling you in recent days how President Trump had made a flat demand for border wall money or he’d toss people off Obamacare and shut down the government to boot. Later he waffled and finally pulled one of Trump’s classic whipsaw pre-fails, deciding he’d just try to get the money in the fall.

But Sneed and Ollstein get into a different aspect of the story, one unfolding simultaneously and also giving us a glimpse of where the Trump presidency may be going. Yes, Trump made his threat. Then he caved. But while threatening and caving he was here and there un-threatening and un-caving. It wasn’t just bluster followed by fail in some normal linear fashion. It was impossible to now what Trump and the White House were doing or about to do. It was and is impossible to know what was trying to do. So congressional Republicans seem simply to have stopped trying.

As of last night, they were simply negotiating a deal to keep the government open and largely ignoring the President. In a sense, Trump has brought back the actual give and take of legislating by dint of his inability to act like a grown up or even a President.

As with every new White House and administration, we see a constant effort to see who at the White House is calling the shots, who is really speaking for the President or which one of the President’s advisors is screwing things up. Who really speaks for the President out of conflicting advisors who sometimes make contradictory statements or signal lesser or greater levels of confrontation?

What seems clear with Trump is that the exercise is likely mistaken in itself. There’s no Trump viewpoint or thinking or goal to represent. There’s no actor at the center of the machine, at least not one who remains constant enough in any aim or view to matter. So there’s no point figuring our which advisor speaks for the President or represents his thinking. Because, fundamentally, there’s no thinking to represent.

We can see this in the impetuous threats. But it comes out more clearly on the field of policy. The President is now in something of a fit because he is ending his first hundred days in office with close to no legislative accomplishments. He did put Neil Gorsuch on the Supreme Court, a huge boon for conservatives. But that’s not really an accomplishment, let alone a piece of legislation. Mitch McConnell stole that seat last year. All Trump had to do was choose a name from a hat. But it’s clear – and Trump, to be fair, has told us this a lot – that Trump doesn’t really care about the substance of the legislation. He wants ‘wins’. He wants big bills passed that he can sign.

Certainly, every President wants wins. Ego can’t be disentangled from the presidential enterprsise. Every President also cuts deals and compromises – maybe a lot. But virtually every President we’ve encountered has some basic orientation. They want to cut taxes or they want to raise taxes. They want to expand Medicare or replace it with vouchers. To the degree they don’t get even into this level of policy detail they have a group of advisors they operate through with some consistency. President Trump seems fundamentally different. He just want wins – virtually anything that is doable and his constellation of advisors and supporters at the moment can count as a win.

This may seem like it dramatically opens the opportunities to pass legislation: since Trump will sign basically anything that counts as a ‘win.’ In practice, just the opposite is the case. Since the President is only concerned with wins, there is no policy agenda or policy specificity, regardless of how malleable, for legislators to grab on to or work with. If they did, it’s just as likely it might change for any number of reasons. As we’ve noted, the presidency is the centripetal force of American politics. Without that force to wrap legislative strategies around it’s very difficult to operate.

The attempt to repeal Obamacare is a case in point. President Trump ran on Obamacare being terrible because that’s what his target audience – Republicans – believed. But to the extent he had an expressed alternative in mind it was something that would provide better coverage for less money and with lower deductibles. What he ended up pushing was the almost polar opposite. But it’s clear Trump had virtually no idea and no concern with what was in the bill. He wanted a win. He’d take a win on the right of his party or the left. It’s probably not too much to say that in some alternative universe where Paul Ryan recommended single payer, he’d get behind that too. He wanted a win.

This desire for wins is the same drive that gets Trump to demand one week action on numerous major policy initiatives without coming up with even the basics of what kind of legislation to pass.

In Mike Allen’s not-Playbook this morning on Axios, he says that the point of President Trump releasing a plan this morning is to signal to the Hill that he’s going to take a much more muscular approach defining the legislative agenda to Congress. Allen quotes a “West Wing confidant” as saying:”The White House is saying to Congress: You can expect us to do this on other major policy initiatives — health care; immigration; infrastructure; and the budget, particularly defense spending. We let you drive policy on health care, and you drove off a cliff.”

Sure, maybe. But this just sounds more like blame shifting. Trump’s winning-centric approach to the Presidency has been slapdash, erratic and impossible to predict. Hill leaders seem more likely to govern around him, if not necessarily in spite of him. Because there’s simply no there there to negotiate with or to follow.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/how-trumps-religion-of-winning-is-sabotaging-his-presidency



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Reply #1862 on: April 27, 2017, 07:31:42 PM
This should NOT be a surprise to anyone.

THere was enough evidence from Trump's behavior in the last few years, plus his behavior during the campaign to deduce that he is an incompetent fool who isn't fit to run for elective office, or even actually manage a complex governmental organization.

He's a narcissistic 12 year old.

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Reply #1863 on: April 28, 2017, 04:06:19 AM

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Reply #1864 on: April 28, 2017, 03:37:55 PM
This guy's scary good:


A note to Trump's core supporters; you realize he talks to you in baby talk, right?
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Reply #1865 on: April 28, 2017, 11:23:24 PM
Trump-A-Nomics

If Donald was actually serious about accomplishing something in his first hundred days, he should have looked to his proposed massive infrastructure project, which is perhaps his only talking point idea which has the support of the majority of Americans, both Democrats and Republicans legislators, and which could certainly move through Congress quite easily and quickly. Call me cynical, but I believe the promise of a jobs producing national investment program was a ruse to get to the real agenda -- a tax giveaway for the very, very wealthy which would finish the destruction of the middle class.

Ignore what he says; watch what he does if you want to know the real agenda.

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Reply #1866 on: April 29, 2017, 05:01:51 PM

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Reply #1867 on: April 29, 2017, 05:16:57 PM

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Reply #1868 on: April 29, 2017, 06:04:55 PM
Private prisons are making a comeback under Trump.  They were phased out under Obama after numerous scandals and controversies.  In one case a judge was taking kickbacks from such jails by sending juvenile convicts there and some were later found to be innocent or given extraordinarily long sentences for petty stuff.  But the more usual scandals were prisons manufacturing reasons to extend prison sentences to keep their per diems as long as possible.

Get ready for more news stories about such abuses now that private prisons are back.
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Reply #1869 on: April 29, 2017, 11:20:19 PM
CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #552

The Prophet
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Chuck Gibran

And then a man stepped from the group of villagers and asked the Prophet, “In these troubled times, what should we be most wary of?”

The Prophet said, “Beware the opportune tragedy. The Reichstag. The Gulf of Tonkin. The Archduke. For this will surely portend the end of your freedom, as well as the Bill Maher show. Now that I think of it, Oliver and Bee are also toast.”

Then a young woman approached the Prophet. She looked up at his not-half-bad-looking-for-a-man-his-age face and asked, “Why do men seek to possess and control my body?”

To this the Prophet said, “Men covet the divine. And what is more transcendent than the power to create life. To have power over a woman’s body is their misguided attempt to have power over god. To be god. With this in mind, keep an eye out for the man who builds golden temples so people may worship him. Having a Canadian passport is also not a bad idea.”

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Reply #1870 on: April 30, 2017, 02:48:22 AM
Trump is now talking about consolidating his power


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Now Trump is talking about consolidating his own power.

In an interview with Fox News that aired Friday night, Trump dismissed the “archaic” rules of the House and Senate — using that word four times — and suggested they needed to be streamlined for the good of the country.

A sampling:

“We don't have a lot of closers in politics, and I understand why: It's a very rough system. It's an archaic system.”

“You look at the rules of the Senate, even the rules of the House — but the rules of the Senate and some of the things you have to go through — it's really a bad thing for the country, in my opinion. They're archaic rules. And maybe at some point we're going to have to take those rules on, because, for the good of the nation, things are going to have to be different.”

“You can't go through a process like this. It's not fair. It forces you to make bad decisions. I mean, you're really forced into doing things that you would normally not do except for these archaic rules.”


And then Trump came out and just said it: He doesn't like the filibuster.

“I think, you know, the filibuster concept is not a good concept to start off with,” he said.

So there you go. Trump is frustrated with the pace of legislation after 100 days, and his answer is that he wants to change the rules.

Whether this is just him blowing off steam or signaling what lies ahead, it's significant. Because it suggests a president, yet again, who doesn't agree with his own powers being limited or even questioned. Remember when senior policy adviser Stephen Miller declared “the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned?” This is more of that kind of attitude.

He wants more power — and he wants it quickly. It's not difficult to connect this to his past admiration for authoritarian leaders, and these comments are likely to give Democrats (and even some in the GOP establishment) plenty of heartburn. This is a demonstrated pattern for him, for all the reasons listed at the top of this post.

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Reply #1871 on: April 30, 2017, 04:11:37 AM
Trump is now talking about consolidating his power

I think Congress, even members of his own party, will tell him politely to go fly a kite. This is not the kind of president who gets others to fall on their sword for him.

Of course he's going to try to cut every corner he can. And he's going to get called out on it, and compared to every one of the other presidents who weren't, by and large, a bunch of whiny self obsessed crackpots.



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Reply #1872 on: April 30, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
Here's a list of the 213 lies that Trump has told in his first 100 days in office:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/04/29/donald-trump-has-said-100s-of-false-things-heres-all-of-them.html



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Reply #1873 on: April 30, 2017, 09:47:04 PM
CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #552

The Prophet
by
Chuck Gibran

And then a man stepped from the group of villagers and asked the Prophet, “In these troubled times, what should we be most wary of?”

The Prophet said, “Beware the opportune tragedy. The Reichstag. The Gulf of Tonkin. The Archduke. For this will surely portend the end of your freedom, as well as the Bill Maher show. Now that I think of it, Oliver and Bee are also toast.”

Then a young woman approached the Prophet. She looked up at his not-half-bad-looking-for-a-man-his-age face and asked, “Why do men seek to possess and control my body?”

To this the Prophet said, “Men covet the divine. And what is more transcendent than the power to create life. To have power over a woman’s body is their misguided attempt to have power over god. To be god. With this in mind, keep an eye out for the man who builds golden temples so people may worship him. Having a Canadian passport is also not a bad idea.”

I love it!

As for Trump's lies, he told the truth once and it was golden:

"The job of president is a lot harder than I thought it would be." (May be paraphrased)

Duh!

I've seen a number of Presidents enter the office as young men and end their term grey and grizzled with more than just years.  The exception was Ronnie Reagan who began his term already ancient and slept through his entire two terms.  In his last term he was so riddled with dementia that Nancy was consulting with astrologers to advise the cabinet.

But hey, Ronnie was really a Keynesian with a soft spot for his rich cronies.  So he engaged in stimulus (massive deficit spending) using a military build-up as cover so as not to draw the ire of his fellow conservatives.  This got the economy going again and it's why so many remember him fondly.

Trump could do the same but the guy has no idea how the economy or government works.

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Reply #1874 on: May 01, 2017, 01:04:27 AM
Here's a list of the 213 lies that Trump has told in his first 100 days in office:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/04/29/donald-trump-has-said-100s-of-false-things-heres-all-of-them.html

213?

It's more like close to 500.

100 days of Trump claims

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As of Trump’s 100th day, we counted 488 false or misleading claims.


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Reply #1875 on: May 01, 2017, 01:06:00 AM

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Reply #1876 on: May 01, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
It seems trump feels the Constitution is archaic and needs to be done away with. He hates that there is a system of checks and balances.

Further, Trump wants to abolish the First Amendment because of what he feels is unfair media criticism.



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Reply #1877 on: May 01, 2017, 08:11:14 PM
100 days down... 1,360 to go.   :facepalm:  :facepalm: :facepalm:



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Reply #1878 on: May 01, 2017, 08:38:08 PM
It seems trump feels the Constitution is archaic and needs to be done away with. He hates that there is a system of checks and balances.

Further, Trump wants to abolish the First Amendment because of what he feels is unfair media criticism.


This sums it up; the days seem like weeks, the weeks, years:

Warren on Trump administration: 'God, it's like dog years'

From here: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/329200-warren-on-trump-administration-god-its-like-dog-years



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Reply #1879 on: May 01, 2017, 11:15:10 PM
Then another 1460 days, through 2025, the year the National Archives can finally release and give full access to the first Clinton Impeachment records.

Then President Bannon? or President Ivanca?


100 days down... 1,360 to go.   :facepalm:  :facepalm: :facepalm:

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