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Reply #1580 on: February 23, 2017, 12:43:26 AM
Trump never was equated in my mind with a dictator like Hitler or Stalin.

No, he has always struggled to match the least of them, Mussolini, and even then, Mussolini was much more competent than Trump has ever been.

It worries me when I read comments like this, Katiebee. I think it would be very easy to underestimate the threat which Trump presents. Hitler, by way of comparison, was called "The silly little corporal from Austria" and was considered to be a joke. By comparison, Trump is a captain of industry who has already conquered worlds (it's all in the point of view).

Trump has shown a remarkable ability to mobilize an army of people who lack the ability to develop a personal vision, but who have shown that they will blindly follow a leader who pushes the right emotional buttons. As a fascist leader, who innately understands how to attract and motivate the disgruntled hoards, I would argue that Trump is completely in the camp with Hitler and Mussolini.

I believe Trump represents an extraordinary danger to the nation, most particularly if we fail to take him seriously:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/22/14658062/donald-trump-illiberalism-losing




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Reply #1581 on: February 23, 2017, 01:31:38 AM
Do not mistake my meaning, his incompetence is as much a danger as his narcissism.

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Reply #1582 on: February 23, 2017, 04:44:03 AM
I don't mistake your meaning. I'm just not sure I agree.

We've had several incompetent presidents, and we survived them. I don't think we could survive a fascist takeover even once. That would be "end of the story", with a big "who knows what happens next" afterwards.



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Reply #1583 on: February 23, 2017, 05:54:13 AM
I am praying that our country can survive Trump.  I'm an atheist, so that tells you how concerned I am.



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Reply #1584 on: February 23, 2017, 06:04:27 AM
Do remember that Mussolini was a died in the wool fascist. Trump may indeed have leanings that way. He shares several personality traits with Mussolini, though he is by far much more incompetent than Mussolini. He is an authoritarian, he believes in his own ego, he is dependent upon an established political group that consistently has leaned toward fascism for the past 20 years.

He makes a wonderful catspaw for real political operatives.

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Reply #1585 on: February 23, 2017, 09:09:14 AM
I think you will find that unless Trump does something incredibly stupid that Congress will not do anything to remove him from office. (I hate to use the word "spineless" but that's the way they are seemingly acting right now). To be blunt we could be a nation in trouble, if not right now.....soon.

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Reply #1586 on: February 23, 2017, 03:53:41 PM
Keeler wrote this about 100 days ago; the day after the election results shocked the nation. What a 100 days it's been.

Trump voters will not like what happens next
By Garrison Keillor November 9, 2016

So he won. The nation takes a deep breath. Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out, and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president. We are so exhausted from thinking about this election, millions of people will take up leaf-raking and garage cleaning with intense pleasure. We liberal elitists are wrecks. The Trumpers had a whale of a good time, waving their signs, jeering at the media, beating up protesters, chanting “Lock her up” — we elitists just stood and clapped. Nobody chanted “Stronger Together.” It just doesn’t chant.

The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that’s their problem now. They wanted only to whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple of six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving us wild with dismay — by “us,” I mean librarians, children’s authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, bird-watchers, people who make their own pasta, opera-goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch. The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth.

Alas for the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones, and they will not like what happens next.

To all the patronizing B.S. we’ve read about Trump expressing the white working-class’s displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, “Feh!” — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for bald-faced stupidity. America is still the land where the waitress’s kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians, but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given talents and the kids aren’t plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and ignorance does less than nothing for your kids.

We liberal elitists are now completely in the clear. The government is in Republican hands. Let them deal with him. Democrats can spend four years raising heirloom tomatoes, meditating, reading Jane Austen, traveling around the country, tasting artisan beers, and let the Republicans build the wall and carry on the trade war with China and deport the undocumented and deal with opioids, and we Democrats can go for a long , brisk walk and smell the roses.

I like Republicans. I used to spend Sunday afternoons with a bunch of them, drinking Scotch and soda and trying to care about NFL football. It was fun. I tried to think like them. (Life is what you make it. People are people. When the going gets tough, tough noogies.) But I came back to liberal elitism.

Don’t be cruel. Elvis said it, and it’s true. We all experienced cruelty back in our playground days — boys who beat up on the timid, girls who made fun of the homely and naive — and most of us, to our shame, went along with it, afraid to defend the victims lest we become one of them. But by your 20s, you should be done with cruelty. Mr. Trump was the cruelest candidate since George Wallace. How he won on fear and bile is for political pathologists to study. The country is already tired of his noise, even his own voters. He is likely to become the most intensely disliked president since Herbert Hoover. His children will carry the burden of his name. He will never be happy in his own skin. But the damage he will do to our country — who knows? His supporters voted for change, and boy, are they going to get it.

Back to real life. I went up to my home town the other day and ran into my gym teacher, Stan Nelson, looking good at 96. He commanded a landing craft at Normandy on June 6, 1944, and never said a word about it back then, just made us do chin-ups whether we wanted to or not. I saw my biology teacher Lyle Bradley, a Marine pilot in the Korean War, still going bird-watching in his 90s. I was not a good student then, but I am studying both of them now. They have seen it all and are still optimistic. The past year of politics has taught us absolutely nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. The future is scary. Let the uneducated have their day. I am now going to pay more attention to teachers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-voters-will-not-like-what-happens-next/2016/11/09/e346ffc2-a67f-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html



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Reply #1587 on: February 23, 2017, 07:21:40 PM




A majority of Americans are embarrassed by President Trump


President Trump pauses while speaking during a news conference in the East Room of the White House in Washington.

For those interested in seeking adulation and acclaim, it’s easy to see why running for president might hold appeal. For a year, two years, you get to be one of the most-talked about people in the most powerful country in the world; on the off-chance that your bid is successful, you then get to extend that attention streak for four more years. That’s six years, minimum, that the country — if not the world — is holding you at the forefront of its attention and consideration.

But there is a downside: The country may not like what it sees.

Two polls released this week offer that downside to President Trump. New surveys from Quinnipiac University and McClatchy-Marist reveal that Trump — never terribly popular nationally — continues to be seen as dishonest, a poor leader and unstable.

What’s more, the U.S. is embarrassed by him.



Note, as will be the case throughout these results, that there’s a wide partisan split on this question. Democrats almost uniformly describe themselves as embarrassed. Republicans describe themselves as proud. (According to the pollsters, those feelings are strong among those who describe themselves as stronger partisans, too.) Overall, though, thanks in part to a majority of independents saying that they’re embarrassed, 58 percent of the country uses that term to describe its feelings about Trump’s first month in office.

What’s more, Quinnipiac’s polling found that concerns about Trump’s personality that haunted him throughout the campaign have not been ameliorated much.

A majority of Americans still see Trump as not honest.



A majority of Americans see Trump as lacking leadership skills.



A majority of Americans still see Trump as not being level-headed.




A majority of Americans do see him as intelligent …



… but a majority also think that Trump doesn’t share their values.



Trump has continually insisted — despite not moderating his aggressive campaign rhetoric at any point and despite moving quickly and unilaterally to make his pledges reality — that he seeks to unify the United States. So far, Americans don’t think he’s being very successful.



Trump won the presidency by embracing a core group of conservative Republicans that has continued to stand staunchly by his side ever since — and doing little to lure anyone else to his side. He won by running against a flawed Democratic candidate who won more votes — as predicted by national polls like the ones cited above — but fumbled the electoral college. If Trump’s desired outcome was to advance to the presidency and then lead an adoring nation through four ecstatic years, polling suggests that he hasn’t yet figured out how to make that happen.

Given that Americans see him as divisive, hot-tempered, dishonest and adrift from their values, polling also suggests that the country is skeptical that he can.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/23/a-majority-of-americans-are-embarrassed-by-president-trump/



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Reply #1588 on: February 24, 2017, 02:30:29 AM

#BlackLivesMatter
Arrest The Cops Who Killed Breonna Taylor

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Reply #1589 on: February 25, 2017, 01:53:18 AM

#BlackLivesMatter
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Reply #1590 on: February 25, 2017, 01:54:42 AM
100 days of Trump claims

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Throughout President Trump’s first 100 days, the Fact Checker team will be tracking false and misleading claims made by the president since Jan. 20.

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In the 37 days Trump has been in office, we’ve counted 140 false or misleading claims.

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Reply #1591 on: February 25, 2017, 02:22:31 AM
Fact-checking President Trump’s CPAC speech

#Resist

You have to be a liar or believe in lies to be a  good conservative these days.



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Reply #1592 on: February 25, 2017, 02:42:44 AM
Fact-checking President Trump’s CPAC speech

#Resist

You have to be a liar or believe in lies to be a  good conservative these days.

Or more likely...want power so bad that you don't care who you screw or what it costs long term to get it. We are now ruled by the people whom the nation's founders were frightened of, and tried to limit. We're going to find out how well they accomplished that over the next four years.



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Reply #1593 on: February 26, 2017, 04:12:05 AM

Or more likely...want power so bad that you don't care who you screw or what it costs long term to get it. We are now ruled by the people whom the nation's founders were frightened of, and tried to limit. We're going to find out how well they accomplished that over the next four years.


Astute observation.  I think the rest of the world is going to shed the mantle of America's leadership.  Question is, what new world order will arise in its place, and will a war be necessary first?  Brannon's pounding of the war drums is not encouraging.



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Reply #1594 on: February 26, 2017, 05:18:13 AM
The conservatives might try to say that this is what they felt like with Obama. The problem with that analogy is that The Obama administration was actively trying to do the opposite, end a war.

An authoritarian always looks for outside enemies to boost their domestic popularity.
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Reply #1595 on: February 26, 2017, 09:35:54 PM
One only need to look back at 2009 posts at KB, to see the same players giving opposite opinions from now, as to Conservatives and Leftists at KB. Like a mirror in many ways.

Point: there is no Mr. Brannon in the Trump Administration.

There is no one promoting War in the Trump Administration. President Obama may have said he was trying to end a war, and in fact left a wake of many many warring nations, including all who were warring when he was elected, and many who were allies at that time, or at least were attempting to not be our enemies.

We are 40 days into a new Administration, without the luxury of 60 patriot votes in the US Senate, and so what you see is organized Democrat obstinance, and some RINO leftovers who need to be purged as we go forward, and left in the dust in the near future, as there remain close to 600 presidential appointee positions left to fill by Senate confirmation, 40 days...

The illegal leaks, and leakers, should face prosecution with the stiffest possible sanctions, each and every one of them, of whatever ilk or party. Another 20% of the overall Federal workforce must know they face reductions in their force, and will be accommodated sooner rather than later, if they so wish it... or the force will gradually be reduced via the existing Existing Order which seeks the same goal.

Removal of Security Clearances from those suspected, found leaking to press or other sources, should be one of the first steps which effectively removes that leaking source from the information stream, regardless of how long it may take to eliminate that particular person from the Federal employment stream.

Department Of State is one Department that needs a full makeover, along with many in the 17 odd "security" agency list, initially to limit the distribution of sensitive information, and until all involved are properly vetted by trusted current sources, in order to stop the malfeasance currently being witnessed, done mainly it is thought by Obama appointee, and other Leftist plants in the Federal workforce.

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Reply #1596 on: February 26, 2017, 09:48:50 PM
Ms. Dowd is not my favorite opinion writer, but I have enjoyed her pieces about Trump over the last year, and have to tip my hat to her; Trump's a subject she knows very well.

Also, I've made note of the particularly yummy word combination "tantalizing, antagonizing protagonist" (say that six times after nine drinks, or the reverse), and I'm currently searching for a situation where I can steal it, use it and pretend I'm clever enough to have come up with it myself:

Trump vs. Press: Crazy, Stupid Love
[Maureen Dowd]

WASHINGTON — Much has been made of Melania Trump’s absence from the capital.

But our new president’s most intense, primal, torrid relationship is in full “The War of the Roses” bloom here. And it is not with his beautiful, reserved wife. It’s with the press, the mirror for the First Narcissus.

President Trump thinks that the mirror is cracked and the coverage is “fake.” And many in the press, spanning the ideological spectrum, think that he is cracked and that a lot of his pronouncements are fake.

Can this strange, symbiotic relationship be saved? Probably not. It is too inflamed and enmeshed, too full of passionate accusations. It’s going to end like all those plays and movies — from “Othello” to “Endless Love” — where the mutual attraction is so powerful, it’s toxic.

Trump could not live without the press. It is his crack. He would be adrift and bereft without his sparring partners, lightning rods, scapegoats and amplifiers.

And while many in the press may disdain the way Trump uses them to rile up crowds and deflect from transgressions, they know they have a rare story and a tantalizing, antagonizing protagonist.

As the New York Times White House reporter Maggie Haberman tweeted in January: “Trump has frequently complained about my reporting,” yet, “He remains the most accessible politician I’ve ever covered.”

The press is everything to Donald Trump, from interior décor — his Trump Tower office was plastered wall to wall with framed magazine covers reflecting his face back at him like an infinity mirror — to daily reading. For decades every morning, he had his assistant print out a sheaf of stories published about him and keep a store of videotapes for ego gratification. Once Trump became a Twitter addict, this morphed into an incestuous, vertiginous spiral, as he got upset and shot back against news reports he did not like.

His campaign staff “cracked the code for tamping down his most inflammatory tweets,” Tara Palmeri reported in Politico last week, by ensuring “his personal media consumption includes a steady stream of praise. And when no such praise was to be found, staff would turn to friendly outlets to drum some up — and make sure it made its way to Trump’s desk.”

Talk about fake news.

He is the biggest story on the planet, “King Lear meets Rodney Dangerfield,” as Lloyd Grove tweeted after Trump’s recent press conference. As our new president is well aware, he’s a rainmaker and a troublemaker for media.

Financially pressed news organizations are not being shy about seizing the moment to celebrate — and cash in on — their aggressive independence. They are responding with a missionary zeal to being treated as “the opposition party” that “should keep its mouth shut,” as Trump enforcer Steve Bannon put it.

The Washington Post has added a dramatic “Batman”-style motto online: “Democracy Dies in Darkness.” The New York Times bought a pricey ad for the Oscars with the tag line, “The truth is more important than ever.” The Los Angeles Times made new multilingual T-shirts declaring, “We will not shut up.”

President Trump is constantly berating the press because the accounts of his chaotic, careering first month in the job do not sync up with the glossy, self-regarding image he has in the fun-house mirror of his head and in the reflection from his circle of sycophants. Kellyanne Conway calls him “President Action” and “President Impact” and Bannon compares him to William Jennings Bryan. (Trump would definitely want a cross of gold to match his new Oval Office drapes.)

Back in the ’70s and ’80s, with a shameless talent for self-aggrandizement untethered to fact, Trump was able to turn himself into a celebrity. Like his mentor Roy Cohn, Trump learned to manipulate his coverage in the New York tabloids. He even came up with two alter egos, John Barron and John Miller, so he could masquerade as his own p.r. agent and spin tall tales about Madonna and Carla Bruni craving him.

“Posing as John Miller, he used to ask to go on and off the record when talking about girls lusting after Donald,” recalls Sue Carswell, who dealt with both Trump and his fake spinmeister when she was at People during l’affaire Marla Maples.

It doesn’t seem to have sunk in with Trump that he can’t manipulate the press as easily today. He’s the president. When he exaggerates and makes things up now, it has global consequences and subverts American values. It is not like whispering lies about which famous women are panting for him.

In his pouty speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday, he reiterated his sour denunciation of journalists as “the enemy of the people.” The man who made his flashy reputation by being an anonymous and pseudonymous source — and who still spews a constant stream of wild assertions based on anonymous sources — blustered that the press “shouldn’t be allowed to use sources unless they use somebody’s name.”

The White House has been trying to shape coverage by giving passes and questions at press conferences to Breitbart and other conservative outlets, including some fringe ones. And on Friday afternoon, the White House barred several news organizations from a Sean Spicer briefing. This included The New York Times and CNN, which angered the White House by reporting on links between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence officials.

This Russian-style domination of the press came only a few hours after the president told CPAC: “I love the First Amendment; nobody loves it better than me. Nobody.”

Fake news. Let’s just hope he doesn’t love the First Amendment to death.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/opinion/sunday/trump-vs-press-crazy-stupid-love.html
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Reply #1597 on: February 26, 2017, 11:35:39 PM
Joan, Bannon is not a cabinet member, he is a personal advisor to Trump. That was so he didn't have to be approved by the senate, which he would not have gotten. He IS a part of the Trumo admistration.

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Reply #1598 on: February 26, 2017, 11:42:34 PM
Bannon indeed is Advisor to the President, a position of the President's choice.
This position is not one that requires or finds necessary Senate confirmation, by it's very nature. Bannon has not advocated "War" on any nation.

There is no Administration member named Brannon, which was my statement.

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Reply #1599 on: February 26, 2017, 11:51:05 PM
Bannon is advocating a hard line against all Muslims, which sounds suspiciously like pushing for military action in Syria.

That would be War.

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