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Reply #1120 on: January 20, 2017, 12:15:04 AM
Rules for surviving an autocracy

Masha Gessen, who grew up in Putin’s Russia, has six rules for us: 1. Believe the autocrat; 2. Do not be taken in by small signs of normality; 3. Institutions will not save you; 4. Be outraged; 5. Don’t make compromises; 6. Remember the future.

Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable. Back in the 1930s, The New York Times assured its readers that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was all posture. More recently, the same newspaper made a telling choice between two statements made by Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov following a police crackdown on protesters in Moscow: “The police acted mildly—I would have liked them to act more harshly” rather than those protesters’ “liver should have been spread all over the pavement.” Perhaps the journalists could not believe their ears. But they should—both in the Russian case, and in the American one. For all the admiration Trump has expressed for Putin, the two men are very different; if anything, there is even more reason to listen to everything Trump has said. He has no political establishment into which to fold himself following the campaign, and therefore no reason to shed his campaign rhetoric. On the contrary: it is now the establishment that is rushing to accommodate him—from the president, who met with him at the White House on Thursday, to the leaders of the Republican Party, who are discarding their long-held scruples to embrace his radical positions.

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Reply #1121 on: January 20, 2017, 01:38:32 AM
I think as far as "World Politics" go, you will find that both Putin and Trump are "wild cards". Neither of them are able to predict what the other will do in a crisis. Confrontations (because of the above) on the sea / land / air will at best be dicey from now on. Trump has surrounded himself with "Hawks" and that fact alone is not good. Is WW III inevitable ..?? No I don't think so, is a major confrontation going to happen..?? Without a doubt and it won't be led by Trump but by his advisors.
(sorta like Johnson who trusted McNamara for advice on Vietnam).

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Reply #1123 on: January 20, 2017, 01:54:23 AM

I think as far as "World Politics" go, you will find that both Putin and Trump are "wild cards". Neither of them are able to predict what the other will do in a crisis. Confrontations (because of the above) on the sea / land / air will at best be dicey from now on. Trump has surrounded himself with "Hawks" and that fact alone is not good. Is WW III inevitable ..?? No I don't think so, is a major confrontation going to happen..?? Without a doubt and it won't be led by Trump but by his advisors.
(sorta like Johnson who trusted McNamara for advice on Vietnam).

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Trump is by no means a hawk, nor has he surrounded himself with them. In reality, he's much more of an Isolationist.

Clinton, on the other hand, was much more hawkish than Trump.





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Reply #1124 on: January 20, 2017, 02:12:09 AM
I don't think any of us knows what Trump is at this point. And that's where a lot of the anxiety is coming from.

Trump Sought Military Equipment For Inauguration, Granted 20-Plane Flyover

“It’s very Red Square,” said Stephen Kerrigan, who oversaw the past two inaugurations.

WASHINGTON ― Part of being a great president is showing off America’s military strength, according to President-elect Donald Trump.

The military “may come marching down Pennsylvania Avenue,” Trump told the Washington Post in an interview published Wednesday. “That military may be flying over New York City and Washington, D.C., for parades. I mean, we’re going to be showing our military.”

Trump spoke about his vision of military parades in vague terms, suggesting it was something he might oversee in the future. But according to several sources involved in his inaugural preparations, Trump has endeavored to ensure that his first day as commander-in-chief is marked by an unusual display of heavy military equipment.

During the preparation for Friday’s transfer-of-power, a member of Trump’s transition team floated the idea of including tanks and missile launchers in the inaugural parade, a source involved in inaugural planning told The Huffington Post. “They were legit thinking Red Square/North Korea-style parade,” the source said, referring to massive military parades in Moscow and Pyongyang, typically seen as an aggressive display of muscle-flexing.

The military, which traditionally works closely with the presidential inaugural committee, shot down the request, the source said. Their reason was twofold. Some were concerned about the optics of having tanks and missile launchers rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue. But they also worried that the tanks, which often weigh over 100,000 pounds, would destroy the roads.

“I could absolutely see structural support being a reason [not to use tanks],” a Department of Defense official said. “D.C. is built on a swamp to begin with.”

Defense Department spokeswoman Valerie Henderson declined to comment on the request for tanks and missile launchers, referring questions to the Trump transition team. Trump advisor Boris Epshteyn told HuffPost that the presidential inaugural committee worked closely with the military “to render appropriate honors” for Trump’s swearing-in. But he directed questions about “specific aspects” of the military’s support to the Defense Department.

The Pentagon didn’t reject all of Trump’s ideas. At the request of the president-elect, there are five military flyovers ― one for each branch of the armed services ― planned for Friday’s inaugural parade, Pentagon spokesman Maj. Jamie Davis told HuffPost.

The Air Force plans to fly four fighter jets: an  F-35, an F-16, an F-22 and an F-15E. The Navy will fly four F/A-18 combat jets. The Army will fly four UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters. The Marines will fly four V-22 Ospreys. And the Coast Guard, which is still finalizing plans, is looking at flying four MH-65 rescue helicopters, Davis said. The number and type of planes used could change, depending on Friday’s weather, he added.   

Military flyovers are not typically part of inaugural parades. Outgoing President Barack Obama did not use any military aircraft at either of his inaugurations, the Defense Department official said. There were no flyovers at President George W. Bush’s 2005 inauguration, but he did have a flyover during his 2001 opening ceremony, which occurred two days before the inauguration. President Ronald Reagan considered including flyovers in his second inauguration in 1985, but one never materialized, the official said. Before that, the last president to include military flyovers as part of his inauguration was President Harry Truman in 1949.

Stephen Kerrigan, who held top positions in Obama’s first and second presidential inaugural committees, said he was “shocked” to hear about the planned flyovers for Friday. “It seems unnecessary and the optics don’t seem appropriate. … It’s very Red Square,” he said.

Airspace over Washington is highly restricted. In the days after the September 11 attacks, planes flying over the city terrified people, Kerrigan said. “If there are fighter jets flying over Washington, people are going to assume something bad is happening.”

The flyovers will not add to the cost of the inaugural events, Davis said. Friday’s events will serve as training for the pilots, who are required to fly a set number of hours each month “to maintain proficiency.”

Traditionally, the military plays a big role in inaugurations — but not by display of heavy weaponry. The armed forces usually contributes “musical units, color guards, salute batteries and honor cordons.” Eight-hundred-and-twenty service members were authorized to help coordinate the inaugural events and 5,000 service members will participate on the day of the ceremonies, the Joint Task Force North Capital Region said in September.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-military-equipment-inauguration_us_58811f4ae4b096b4a23091f7?ijatt9



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Reply #1125 on: January 20, 2017, 04:53:31 AM
Sounds like Trump has Putin envy.  He wants to show off his toys to prove he has them now, too.









Oh yes, and his generals have more medals.






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Reply #1126 on: January 20, 2017, 05:11:12 AM
I ran across this, and found it very interesting.

https://medium.com/@alexey__kovalev/message-to-american-media-from-russia-6e2e76eeae77#.xm3tom205

A Russian reporter's observations on Trump.

Rather chilling.

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Reply #1127 on: January 20, 2017, 05:22:51 AM
Seems like common sense you wouldn't want heavy tanks on streets built for normal traffic.

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Reply #1128 on: January 20, 2017, 05:29:52 AM
When the Soviet Union has their 'showing their muscle' parades though, they showboat by circling  the same planes and armaments past the cameras view several times to make it seem they have more than they have and it's all available.

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Reply #1129 on: January 20, 2017, 03:22:41 PM
Seems like common sense you wouldn't want heavy tanks on streets built for normal traffic.

I want tanks and warplanes guarding my children 24/7.



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Reply #1130 on: January 20, 2017, 10:44:45 PM
We all do darling, but that does not mean we glorify our military might.  We pride ourselves on being a nation of laws, not "might makes right."  Our celebrations should reflect the themes resounded in our Constitution.   

We the People of the United States: celebrate everyone!

in Order to form a more perfect Union: highlight what we have accomplished

establish Justice: thank our system of courts and laws

insure domestic Tranquility: thanks to everyone who helps make our country a better place!

provide for the common defense: Thank the sacrifice of those who have served in our military

Well, I hope you get the idea.

promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The fact is that when I think of military parades I think of North Korea, Russia, China, NAZI Germany, and other authoritarian dictatorships that don't give a damn about their people.  That is not the kind of example I would want to follow.  It also demonstrates a certain insecurity.



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Reply #1131 on: January 20, 2017, 11:08:26 PM
Well he's got the nuke codes now.

Now we play the waiting game.



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Reply #1132 on: January 20, 2017, 11:10:46 PM

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Reply #1133 on: January 20, 2017, 11:23:13 PM
Good parenting. Kid won't grow up to be an arsonist or anything bad at all.

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"My name is Carter and I kind of started this fire," he says with a wide grin. When asked why he started the fire, he tells the reporter bluntly, "Because I wanted to and because, I'm just saying, screw our President,"—leaving the reporter with nothing left to say except the old "well there you have it."

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Reply #1134 on: January 20, 2017, 11:35:09 PM

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Reply #1135 on: January 21, 2017, 10:39:03 PM




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Reply #1138 on: January 22, 2017, 12:46:55 AM


Who's that mysterious figure back there?  :emot_weird:


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Reply #1139 on: January 22, 2017, 12:50:58 AM

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