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Reply #920 on: October 16, 2016, 10:33:48 AM
No one is justifying military action. Just setting the record straight. No one wants war.  It is destructive and is of no good to anyone, except arms manufacturers.  There is plenty that can be done to discourage Putin's ambitions that don't include military action.



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Reply #921 on: October 16, 2016, 11:06:11 AM
Viewed from over here, Putin is not exactly seeking the peaceful options...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3839451/Royal-Navy-intercept-Russian-warship-fleet-heading-English-Channel-practises-bombing-raids-near-Scotland-ahead-Syrian-mission.html

Add in the ever-more-ludicrous claims & demands from Trump...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37667924

And the response of his supporters to those claims...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rigged-election_us_58024298e4b0162c043c4bbb

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“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a Trump supporter, told The Boston Globe last week. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

Let's just say that stopping to think about the consequences makes me wish I hadn't read so much apocalyptic, dystopian fiction...





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Reply #922 on: October 17, 2016, 01:16:12 AM
If the election is rigged, as Trump is saying and he wins, does that mean he rigged it to win?

I continue to maintain that my opinion of Trump as a sullen adolescent with anger issues is corrrect.

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Reply #923 on: October 17, 2016, 07:22:29 AM
Back on topic.

I have to wonder what the Republicans and Republican voters were thinking when they made Trump their nominee.  According to the polls, nearly every GOP candidate had an edge over Hillary in the General election.  The one exception was Trump, who did not poll very well against Hillary at all.  So why nominate Trump?

What's more, it now looks like Trump will drag others in The GOP down with him and the Democrats are likely to retake the Senate, and even have a slight chance of retaking the House.

Again, why Trump?  Because the GOP base is tired of politicians and Washington insiders?  Because they wanted someone with no political experience?  That's kind of like jet passengers saying we are tired of the pilots flying the plane.  We want the baggage handlers to have a go at it.  It would never happen, right?



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Reply #924 on: October 17, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
Trump feels that he is entitled. He also refuses to take responsibility for his own actions and words.

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Reply #925 on: October 18, 2016, 02:00:38 AM
Every time his polling numbers tank Trump claims a rigged election.  I wonder if he knows the difference between polls and elections.  So is he really claiming rigged polls?

As far as a rigged election he is trailing badly in the polls, so to claim the election is rigged if he loses just shows poor character.




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Reply #926 on: October 18, 2016, 03:00:03 PM
Why are you all even behaving like this? You know Shrillary already won thanks to electoral colleges and shit.

You won. The psycho bitch is in.

God help us. And I don't believe in God.  :roll:



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Reply #927 on: October 18, 2016, 04:45:52 PM
I sure hope she wins.  I also hope that you stop believing she is a psycho because she isn't.

Although I do hope she is a bit of a bitch.  I want a bitch, not a pushover, representing me in the world as president.

And unlike Trump she cares about children and families. That will make the USA better for everyone.

Go Hillary go!
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Reply #928 on: October 18, 2016, 04:58:54 PM
I sure hope she wins.  I also hope that you stop believing she is a psych because she isn't.

Although I do hope she is a bit of a bitch.  I want a bitch, not a pushover, representing me in the world as president.

And unlike Trump she cares about children and families. That will make the USA better for everyone.

Go Hillary go!

Oh my god l don't believe in help us!

She is a psychotic, power hungry, lying, manipulative, racist, elitist tool. You won't look it up or believe any of it though.

The worst thing is I have the financial means to move my family, but there's nowhere safe to go to.

We're fucked.



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Reply #929 on: October 18, 2016, 08:55:20 PM
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Reply #930 on: October 19, 2016, 02:52:57 AM
Oh my god l don't believe in help us!
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The worst thing is I have the financial means to move my family, but there's nowhere safe to go to.

Bolivia?




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Reply #931 on: October 19, 2016, 02:55:15 AM
Oh my god l don't believe in help us!
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Reply #932 on: October 19, 2016, 04:25:51 PM
An article on the Putin/Assange/Trump nexus. Both Putin and Assange want to destroy US hegemony. (Not necessarily a bad thing, except the kind of destruction they want would likely include an economic collapse and bring about multiple wars, and that would be bad for everyone.) And what better way to wreck havoc and destroy America's credibility in the world than to elect Trump?

From liberal beacon to a prop for Trump: what has happened to WikiLeaks?
A series of hacked emails appear designed to aid Donald Trump fight back against Hillary Clinton, while raising questions about Russian involvement

How did WikiLeaks go from darling of the liberal left and scourge of American imperialism to apparent tool of Donald Trump’s divisive, incendiary presidential campaign?

Thursday brought another WikiLeaks dump of nearly 2,000 emails hacked from the Hillary Clinton campaign, allegedly by Russians. As usual, they were inside-the-beltway gossip rather than game-changing: the campaign tried to push back the Illinois primary, believing it would make life harder for moderate Republicans.

That has not stopped Trump trying to make hay from the leaked emails and deflect attention from allegations of sexual harassment against him. “Very little pick-up by the dishonest media of incredible information provided by WikiLeaks,” he tweeted on Wednesday. “So dishonest! Rigged system!”

Clinton’s speeches to Wall Street banks were apparently revealed in an email dump last Friday, just minutes after the release of a video in which Trump was caught boasting about groping women – timing that many felt was more than just chance. This follows a hack in July designed to embarrass Clinton on the eve of the Democratic National Convention.

Robert Mackey of The Intercept website wrote in August: “The WikiLeaks Twitter feed has started to look more like the stream of an opposition research firm working mainly to undermine Hillary Clinton than the updates of a non-partisan platform for whistleblowers.”

The seeming alliance between Trump and WikiLeaks is an astonishing role reversal. In 2010 it was lauded by transparency campaigners for releasing, in cooperation with publications including the Guardian, more than a quarter of a million classified cables from US embassies around the world. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange became a hero to many.

At the time, Republican politicians expressed outrage at WikiLeaks, but now some are seizing on its revelations as potential salvation for Trump’s ailing candidacy. Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, took part in a media conference call about an email that purportedly showed Clinton campaign mocking Catholics.

Conversely, liberal activists have expressed dismay at the hack of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s email account and the calculated timing of the release. Neil Sroka, spokesperson for the pressure group Democracy for America, said: “There is a huge difference between risotto recipes in John Podesta’s emails and the Pentagon Papers. The news value of these Podesta emails is fairly limited and the activist value is even less.”

Sroka added: “WikiLeaks is like the internet. It can be a force for good or a force for bad. Right now it is propping up a candidate running the most hateful campaign in modern times.”

Last week US intelligence officials blamed Russia for previous hacks. It is not yet known whether Podesta’s emails were hacked by the Russians, but US officials say the attack fits the same pattern. Russian president Vladimir Putin has denied the allegation.

Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook told reporters on Thursday: “The Department of Homeland Security took the unprecedented step of saying ... beyond any doubt that this hack and then the leaking of the emails was perpetrated by the Russian government for the purpose of intervening in the election and trying to affect the outcome in favor of Donald Trump. This is getting closer and closer to the Trump campaign itself.”

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All of which raises the question: do Assange, Putin and Trump form a triangle? Are they in communication with each other or merely exploiting a coincidence of interests?

Trump has praised Putin and numerous links with Russia have emerged this year. But on Wednesday he denied any business interests beyond staging Miss Universe there. He has contradicted earlier statements about knowing Putin.

Assange was asked by Democracy Now earlier this year whether he prefers Clinton or Trump. “You’re asking me, do I prefer cholera or gonorrhea?” he replied. Sarah Harrison, a WikiLeaks editor, has said it would publish documents damaging to Trump if it had them. “It’s not that we’re choosing publications to pick a certain line,” she told Bloomberg.

But some observers argue that Assange’s war on Clinton is personal: she was secretary of state at the time of the diplomatic cables leak. Her perceived secrecy and hawkish foreign policy represents the antithesis of his anti-US imperialist worldview. The capricious, nihilistic, non-ideological Trump might seem like a kindred spirit by comparison.

Alina Polyakova, deputy director of the Eurasia Center at the Atlantic Council think tank in Washington, said: “My impression of Julian Assange is that he sees US hegemony in the international world order as the biggest problem facing us today. In his attempt to bring ‘transparency’, he ends up siding with the very regimes that deny transparency and human rights. That’s the irony of my enemy’s enemy is my friend.”

She added: “I think the Russian government is in fact using WikiLeaks: the connection seems pretty clear to me. Is the Trump campaign tied to WikiLeaks? That’s hard to say but I would be surprised if there’s no coordination.”

Russia has uncomfortable associations for WikiLeaks. In 2010 its point man there, Israel Shamir, was exposed as an antisemite and Holocaust denier. A website, israelshamir.com, carries numerous articles, one of which comments: “Ms Clinton decided to blame her spectacular lack of success on Putin, as well. If she were honest, she’d admit that she is unpopular, even among her own milieu.”

In an email, Shamir denied that Assange is coordinating with Russia. “The problem is that incredible revelations of emails are totally suppressed by the Clintonesque media,” he wrote. “Instead of discussing Clinton’s hate to ordinary Americans, Clinton’s order to assassinate Assange etc, you discuss whether Russians are involved. Shame!”

Assange remains holed up at the Ecuadorian embassy in London after claiming asylum, where he’s been for four years. Two women in Sweden have accused him of rape and other sexual offences, which he denies, citing a wider conspiracy. Assange has expressed fears that, if extradited to Sweden, he would be in danger of being sent to the US, where he thinks he could face the death penalty.

A former associate of Assange, who did not wish to be named, noted that there will be presidential elections in Ecuador in 2017 and the current leader, Rafael Correa, has stated that he will stand aside after 10 years in office. This could make Assange feel uncertain about his future protection.

“I believe he is basically hoping that Trump will be lenient on him,” the former associate said. “It’s about Julian Assange. I feel he’s just desperate and it’s a shame.”

The site has lost its halo in the eyes of what it used to be its core constituency, the ex-colleague added. “All the lefties were WikiLeaks softies. Now they are getting a different perspective. It’s obvious Julian Assange has lost his ability to be neutral.”

But others who know Assange defend him. Vaughan Smith, a journalist and former army officer who allowed the WikiLeaks founder to stay at his UK home for more than a year, said in a text message: “I don’t believe for a minute that Julian is liaising with Moscow.

“His whole thing is that he’s not supposed to know the identity of his sources, who leave material anonymously to protect themselves. He checks that it’s genuine and puts out as much of it as he can. That’s his compact with whistleblowers. As for Clinton and Trump? He hasn’t expressed a preference to me.”

And some Democratic voters have declined to criticise the leaks, which appear to show how the Clinton campaign worked to defeat Bernie Sanders in the primary elections. Dave Handy, a political organiser and Sanders supporter who will now vote for Clinton, said: “I wouldn’t say I’m glad but they’re doing a necessary thing.

“Even if it’s a ploy, it’s the truth. No one has denied this.”

He added: “The Democratic party and the Clinton campaign have colluded for the last two years to make sure she becomes the nominee and to make sure she becomes president. As someone who will vote for her, we can only pray this is not how she runs her administration.”

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/14/wiileaks-from-liberal-beacon-to-a-prop-for-trump-what-has-happened



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Reply #933 on: October 20, 2016, 03:43:31 AM
Trump can't construct a coherent sentence. He puts his sentences together using 90% buzz words without any definitive content.

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Reply #934 on: October 20, 2016, 04:39:25 AM
>>we can only pray this is not how she runs her administration.”

Bwah hah hah... sob...

Why would even an idiot believe that, given her track record? Jeezus H, I have no hope for the future whatsoever. This is the world we live in, kids. Business as usual. Your lives will still be in the hands of faceless bankers and nameless rich fucks. Money talks and Hillary listens. This woman is going to have way more effect on your life than Obama ever dreamed of. He's an amateur next to her. And now I sound like a conspiracy nutcase. I'm buying more bullets and going back under my rock. Wake me up when it's over.

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Reply #935 on: October 20, 2016, 05:01:32 AM
TRUMP ANOUNCES NO PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

Trump has just declared that he will not abide by the will of the voters if he loses.

This is NOT in accordance with American values.

This man should NOT be a candidate under ANY circumstances.

I feel ill.

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Reply #936 on: October 20, 2016, 02:42:59 PM
It's funny seeing you all freaking out over an election that's already over and decided for the wicked witch of the west.



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Reply #937 on: October 20, 2016, 03:15:57 PM

TRUMP ANOUNCES NO PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER.

Trump has just declared that he will not abide by the will of the voters if he loses.

This is NOT in accordance with American values.

This man should NOT be a candidate under ANY circumstances.

I feel ill.



Though I was switching back and forth between the debate and the Cubs game last night, I was tuned to the debate for this portion, and Trump said nothing of the sort, nor did he "announce" or "declare" anything of the sort. This will be perfectly clear to everyone who either watched the debate last night or read a transcript or excerpts of it this morning. Please read beyond the headlines!

If/when Trump loses, neither he nor his party will be "transferring power" to anyone. And even if he were to proclaim that when/if he loses that he won't concede, or he won't "abide by the will of the voters" -- or regardless of whether this is or is not "in accordance with American values" (whatever that means) -- Trump will have absolutely no say in the matter, and his reaction will effect nothing. Barring an armed insurrection, Trump can concede or not, agree with the results or not, abide by the majority of voters or not, and it will have zero effect on the outcome.

And this plays into something I've been saying for over a year, and is even more true today: The Left has done more to give Trump a stage, and to help him gain prominence and resonance (and traction), than Trump has done to help himself. The Left has abandoned any attempt to highlight substantive issues in favor of name-calling and finger-pointing (or, as in the case above, flat out disingenuousness). Meanwhile, many mainstream media outlets -- including the two most prominent ones, CNN and The New York Times -- have abandoned any pretense of objectivity in covering the campaign.

I give zero credence to the assertions of Trump and his faithful that the election is rigged and the result is already a foregone conclusion. But the Left's steady drumbeat of ad hominem attacks ad refusal to address the issues is only serving to drive more people into his camp. Less than three weeks from today, we'll see how that all works out.








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Reply #938 on: October 20, 2016, 03:49:06 PM
Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.

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Reply #939 on: October 20, 2016, 04:21:29 PM
Trumps smarmy, self-aggrandizement is what fuels this. What he said was vague, but the intent was to destabilize and cause fear. What I posted is what people are interpreting it as.

Trump does not use specifics, he speaks in buzz word phrases. He refused twice to clarify his statement. He could have put the qualifier in to request recounts in close results, but he did not. What he said implies that he would challenge the validity of the election if he did not win, and in context of his claims of rigging of the election and press over the last year, what I posted is a reasonable interpretation of his statement.

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