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Reply #340 on: March 17, 2016, 09:18:51 PM
A Trump victory is officially only slightly less dangerous to the planet than a resurrection of the Cold War!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35828747
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Donald Trump winning the US presidency is considered one of the top 10 risks facing the world, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit.

The research firm warns he could disrupt the global economy and heighten political and security risks in the US.

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Why is Donald Trump considered only slightly less of a threat to global security than a new Cold War? Perhaps it is because unlike traditional presidential front-runners the candidate has little or no policy substance to back up his shoot-from-the-hip-style pronouncements.

Want details on how the New Yorker would restructure US trade relations with China? Or how he would implement his proposed Muslim immigration ban? Good luck finding out.




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Reply #341 on: March 18, 2016, 01:44:12 AM
America is like a giant teenager who is falling apart so that he can grow up.



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Reply #342 on: March 18, 2016, 07:22:20 AM
I'm thinking more and more that Trump isn't playing to win the presidency so much as making himself such a pain in the ass to the establishment that he will be able to cut a deal that will move him back onto the sidelines with some kind of golden parachute. He isn't stupid, he is devious and bold, and he loves to stir up trouble. At first I took his candidacy as a joke, but now I would say he has his pieces well deployed against the big boys, and is in position to force checkmate. Considering that he is playing the biggest baddest cabal of crooks the world has ever seen, that's impressive.



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Reply #343 on: March 18, 2016, 02:33:56 PM

I'm thinking more and more that Trump isn't playing to win the presidency so much as making himself such a pain in the ass to the establishment that he will be able to cut a deal that will move him back onto the sidelines with some kind of golden parachute. He isn't stupid, he is devious and bold, and he loves to stir up trouble. At first I took his candidacy as a joke, but now I would say he has his pieces well deployed against the big boys, and is in position to force checkmate. Considering that he is playing the biggest baddest cabal of crooks the world has ever seen, that's impressive.



I think that's an extremely perceptive summary of the situation. Great post!






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Reply #344 on: March 18, 2016, 04:40:45 PM
I think you both wrong, although I hope you aren't.  Trump loves the idea of being President and all the attention that goes with it.



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Reply #345 on: March 20, 2016, 06:15:49 PM
Here are a couple of articles that help explain the rise of Trumpism, and the popularity of Bernie Sanders.

What Right-Wing Media Doesn’t Understand About Rage and the White Working Class
Especially clueless National Review story gets origins of working-class anger wrong, and misunderstands Trumpism.
By Paul Campos

A few days ago, the National Review’s Kevin Williamson caused something of a storm when he published an article entitled “Chaos in the Family, Chaos in the State: The White Working Class’s Dysfunction.” The article might as well have been called “Establishment Conservatives Really Aren’t Racists: We Hate Lots of White People, Too.”

Williamson’s thesis is that the white working class is largely responsible for its own degraded condition, apparently because way too many of the roughly 100 million white American adults without college degrees are shiftless drug addicts, who “whelp” babies they can’t take care of, while suckling on the teat of our overly-generous welfare state, instead of moving from their dysfunctional Rust Belt ghettos to places where good-paying jobs are going unfilled. (In a remarkable oversight, Williamson fails to say where those places might be).

Williamson’s thesis is not exactly novel. Indeed, it’s part of a series of conservative screeds that could be called “Working-Class White is the New Black.” The problem with “those people,” you see, isn’t that their jobs, their communities, and their whole way of life have been destroyed by global capitalism. It isn’t that being thrust to the margins or the heart of poverty tends to create stresses that break apart families. It isn’t that economic calamity leads to substance abuse as an eminently predictable form of self-medication.

After all, these sorts of structural explanations for social breakdown are only supported by social science, which, like reality itself, is known to have a strong left-wing bias. Williamson and company’s right-wing critique, by contrast, is supported by the very interesting theory that roughly two-thirds of America’s white population suddenly developed poor moral characters, around the time that “The Brady Bunch” went into syndication.

Ah yes, “The Brady Bunch.” Behold conservative cultural studies, as brought to you by the National Review:

The manufacturing numbers — and the entire gloriously complex tale of globalization — go in fits and starts: a little improvement here, a little improvement there, and a radically better world in raw material terms (and let’s not sniff at those) every couple of decades. Go back and read the novels of the 1980s or watch “The Brady Bunch” and ask yourself why well-to-do suburban families living in large, comfortable homes and holding down prestigious jobs were worried about the price of butter and meat, and then ask yourself when was the last time you heard someone complain that he couldn’t afford a stick of butter.

OK I asked myself, and the answer is: last week. Does Williamson actually know any middle-class — let alone working-class or poor — Americans? The average income of the other half, the bottom 50% of American households (that’s 160 million people) is$26,520 per year. That’s barely more than $2,000 per month, before subtracting payroll and state taxes. If your entire household is living on $2,000 per month, you can bet you’re worried about the price of butter and meat.

But let’s get back to “The Brady Bunch.” Leave aside the absurdity of citing TV mogul Sherwood Schwartz’s fantasy creations as evidence for the actual economic circumstances of middle class professionals in the early 1970s (For example, the Bradys had a live-in housekeeper, because lots of people in Schwartz’s social circle had one). Consider what sorts of costs the real-life parallels to the fictional Bradys were dealing with.

It’s true that butter and meat cost about 20% less in real dollars than they did 40 years ago. On the other hand: the real-life North Hollywood house which Schwartz used for the exterior shots of the Brady home sold in 1973 for $61,000 ($325,761 in 2016 dollars). According to the popular real estate website Zillow, buying this house today would cost $1,791,835. Now real estate values in Los Angeles have skyrocketed, but in the nation as a whole, the inflation-adjusted cost of a new home has almost doubled since the early 1970s, while median household income has barely budged.

If the Brady children had gone off to college, they would have paid, in 1975, an average of $541 per year to attend a four-year public university, and $2,290 to go to a private school (the 2015 dollar equivalents are $2,387 and $10,088). Today, average tuition is, in real dollars, three times higher at private schools and four times higher at public institutions.

When “The Brady Bunch” came on the air, Americans were paying $2,171 per year, in 2016 dollars, for health care. Today that figure is four and half times higher.

In sum, while over the past four decades real median household incomes have stagnated (and those of working class households have declined), housing prices have doubled, higher education costs have tripled and quadrupled, and medical costs have risen even more.

That establishment Republicans such as Williamson are deluded enough to believe that the last 40 years haven’t been an economic disaster for working class Americans, and that therefore their personal struggles provide an appropriate occasion for sanctimonious moralizing, helps explain why Donald Trump is winning the battle for the Republican nomination.

http://www.alternet.org/media/what-right-wing-media-doesnt-understand-about-rage-and-white-working-class



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Reply #346 on: March 20, 2016, 06:24:10 PM
Krugman Throttles GOP Elite for Their Dishonesty About Trump
Still in the thrall of Ayn Rand, Republicans blame the people hurt by their vicious policies.
By Janet Allon

Paul Krugman took aim at one of his favorite targets in Friday's column: the Republican elite and its freakout over Donald Trump. The problem is that instead of taking a good look at how their own policies have exacerbated the desperation of the working class, driving them into the arms of a candidate who at least acknowledges their pain, the heartless Republican establishment continues to blame the victims for the fact that their lives and economic opportunities have unraveled.

Krugman:

There has been a lot of buzz over the past few days about an article by Kevin Williamson in National Review, vigorously defended by other members of the magazine’s staff, denying that the white working class — “the heart of Trump’s support” — is in any sense a victim of external forces. A lot has gone wrong in these Americans’ lives — “the welfare dependency, the drug and alcohol addiction, the family anarchy” — but “nobody did this to them. They failed themselves.”

O.K., we’re just talking about a couple of writers at a conservative magazine. But it’s obvious, if you look around, that this attitude is widely shared on the right. When Mitt Romney spoke about the 47 percent of voters who would never support him because they “believe that the government has a responsibility to take care of them,” he was channeling an influential strain of conservative thought. So was Paul Ryan, the speaker of the House, when he warned of a social safety net that becomes “a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency.”

Or consider the attitude toward American workers inadvertently displayed by Eric Cantor, then the House majority leader, when he chose to mark Labor Day with a Twitter post celebrating … business owners.


The collapse of the white working class, and their high mortality, suicide and addiction rates, is a deadly serious issue, of course. And places that are hardest hit are falling for Trump. The Republican elite blames this on a moral failing caused by too many social programs, which is as wrong as it is heartless.

"Tens of millions of people don’t suffer a collapse in values for no reason," Krugman writes. "Remember, several decades ago the sociologist William Julius Wilson argued that the social ills of America’s black community didn’t come out of thin air, but were the result of disappearing economic opportunity. If he was right, you would have expected declining opportunity to have the same effect on whites, and sure enough, that’s exactly what we’re seeing."

The argument that social safety nets cause these problems just flies in the face of the data from every other advanced country that takes care of its people when they need it. The Republican elite will never admit that it's the "Ayn Rand, every man for himself" narrative that is the problem.

Trump, whom Krugman has no love for, at least admits ordinary Americans have problems not of their own making.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/krugman-throttles-gop-elite-their-dishonesty-about-trump



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Reply #347 on: March 20, 2016, 07:42:43 PM
In other words, the psychology of the fighters makes all the difference: how you think affects how you feel, which affects what you do, which affects what you become.



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Reply #348 on: March 23, 2016, 04:52:24 PM



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Reply #349 on: March 26, 2016, 08:55:08 PM



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Reply #350 on: March 28, 2016, 03:35:12 PM


LOL...."but"..."but".....That's a motorcycle.......
(I know Captain Obvious).....strikes again.
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Reply #351 on: March 28, 2016, 08:45:33 PM
John Oliver: I can tell just by the looks of the guy that I'm not interested in anything he has to say. Plus I don't even keep a television in the house, because it's the Devil's tool.

Anyone who freaks out at a biker deserves what happens next. Do not fuck with the man.



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Reply #352 on: March 29, 2016, 12:56:26 AM
John Oliver: I can tell just by the looks of the guy that I'm not interested in anything he has to say. Plus I don't even keep a television in the house, because it's the Devil's tool.

Anyone who freaks out at a biker deserves what happens next. Do not fuck with the man.

It's the devils tool? By that logic you shouldn't even go anywhere near your computer.



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Reply #353 on: March 29, 2016, 01:33:32 AM
Oh, Chirping Girl, without my computer, how would I ever get to make the acquaintance of such interesting people as yourself? It's the phony baloney I can't stand, whereas you and so many others here strike me as totally authentic.



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Reply #354 on: March 29, 2016, 02:57:26 AM
Oh, Chirping Girl, without my computer, how would I ever get to make the acquaintance of such interesting people as yourself? It's the phony baloney I can't stand, whereas you and so many others here strike me as totally authentic.

5% of the internet is phony. The other 95% consists of porn and cat memes.



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Reply #355 on: March 29, 2016, 04:36:26 AM
Yeah, well it's the porn I'm after, plus great music on YouTube.



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Reply #356 on: March 29, 2016, 05:20:15 AM
Yeah, well it's the porn I'm after, plus great music on YouTube.

You use the term devils tool...




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Reply #357 on: March 29, 2016, 09:57:03 AM
Well Chirping Girl, I don't know if I should be flattered that you raise this question over what I consider to have been an offhand remark. If you think it's worth exploring and trying to reconcile our different interpretations, I'd be willing to do that, but I'm not sure our discussion would be of interest to the general membership. I'm aware that a tool can be a piece of hardware, or some device used in an analagous fashion to work on whatever material, or it can refer to an appendage used for pleasure or procreation. Is that perhaps the axis of this discussion?



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Reply #358 on: March 29, 2016, 11:02:59 AM
Well Chirping Girl, I don't know if I should be flattered that you raise this question over what I consider to have been an offhand remark. If you think it's worth exploring and trying to reconcile our different interpretations, I'd be willing to do that, but I'm not sure our discussion would be of interest to the general membership. I'm aware that a tool can be a piece of hardware, or some device used in an analagous fashion to work on whatever material, or it can refer to an appendage used for pleasure or procreation. Is that perhaps the axis of this discussion?

OR.....if necessary you can call someone a "tool".
Completely different meaning...... :emot_laughing:
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Reply #359 on: March 29, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
Well Chirping Girl, I don't know if I should be flattered that you raise this question over what I consider to have been an offhand remark. If you think it's worth exploring and trying to reconcile our different interpretations, I'd be willing to do that, but I'm not sure our discussion would be of interest to the general membership. I'm aware that a tool can be a piece of hardware, or some device used in an analagous fashion to work on whatever material, or it can refer to an appendage used for pleasure or procreation. Is that perhaps the axis of this discussion?

No. I mean you call a TV the devil's tool while using a computer for porn. I don't get the logic.

I don't really care, but it's more fun than reading people complain about Trump.