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Reply #220 on: February 20, 2016, 06:51:19 PM
As someone mentioned above, Pope Francis never said that Trump wasn't a good Christian. He was posed a hypothetical question about a nameless presidential candidate, including a list of things that candidate proposed and stood for.



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Reply #221 on: February 20, 2016, 07:00:11 PM
But a special someone!

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Reply #222 on: February 20, 2016, 10:00:58 PM

As someone mentioned above, Pope Francis never said that Trump wasn't a good Christian. He was posed a hypothetical question about a nameless presidential candidate, including a list of things that candidate proposed and stood for.



Guess I have been relegated to just "someone".  ;D



Katie's right, a special someone -- so special that his name dare not be mentioned in public.

Or, more accurately, Miss Barbara was too lazy to scroll up and see who wrote it...






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Reply #223 on: February 20, 2016, 11:22:02 PM
The Pope actually said was that he didn't hear Trump's statements, but, if somebody is more interested in building walls than bridges, then they are not a true christian.

He used a semantic wriggle, not just to say "Trump isn't a christian" without directly saying "Trump isn't a christian", but to say "anybody who agrees with Trump is not a true christian", thus, indirectly commanding that no true chistian should agree with [vote for] Trump.

It will be interesting to hear the ways catholic and protestant sermons are worded over the next couple of weeks; the fallout from that one, carefully off-the-cuff comment could have a massive effect on the Republican nomination, and, ultimately, the presidency.




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Reply #224 on: February 20, 2016, 11:36:52 PM

Katie's right, a special someone -- so special that his name dare not be mentioned in public.

Or, more accurately, Miss Barbara was too lazy to scroll up and see who wrote it...



lol.  Never mentioned in public but on everyone's lips. And usually preceded by "That F**king......."

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Reply #225 on: February 21, 2016, 12:47:48 PM
  Good to hear.

  !Jeb! (and his donors) see the handwriting on the wall. He will hang in the wings to cause trouble at the GOP Convention. Marco Rubio is the clear "Party Establishment" choice, with Florida being the goal now.

  Will be very interesting to see how Nevada works out, and Super Tuesday. Who else will drop out of the hunt before NV, one wonders.

Bush just announced he's dropping out of the POTUS race.



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Reply #226 on: February 21, 2016, 03:52:04 PM
Bush just announced he's dropping out of the POTUS race.



Think the American voters may have seen enough of the Bush family, though their father was not such a bad president.  Now if the voters can only distance themselves from the Clintons....

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Reply #227 on: February 22, 2016, 04:09:51 AM

Bush just announced he's dropping out of the POTUS race.


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Think the American voters may have seen enough of the Bush family, though their father was not such a bad president.  Now if the voters can only distance themselves from the Clintons....

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Reply #228 on: February 23, 2016, 10:26:43 AM



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Reply #229 on: February 23, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
Dillery Clintrump?

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Reply #230 on: February 23, 2016, 01:23:06 PM
Here Are the Two Reasons Why Donald Trump Owns the Republican Party and the RNC
February 23, 2016 By Allen Clifton

Typically I’m not a believer in “no-win” situations. I tend to lean more toward the “if there’s a will, there’s a way” mentality. I believe even in a “loss,” you should know you at least tried and failed rather than simply failing without trying.

However, I am readily aware that “no-win” situations do exist. In fact, I’m seeing one right now as it relates to Donald Trump and the Republican party. As much as the RNC cringes at the thought of Trump as their party’s nominee, there’s nothing they can do about it. Right now, Donald Trump owns the Republican party and the RNC for two main reasons. Reason Number One: He is immensely popular with a good chunk of Republican voters. They’re loyal, fanatical, completely infatuated and cannot be deterred in any way into thinking that Trump wouldn’t be one of the best presidents in U.S. history. No matter what he says or does, even if that includes blaming 9/11 on George W. Bush, his numbers continue to stay strong. Heck, they even improve in many of these instances where he said something that would normally sink any other candidate. But the problem is, Trump is only really strongly embraced by around 35-40 percent of Republican voters. In fact, he’s actually loathed by a good chunk of the Republican party. Even going beyond that, I truly believe there are Republicans out there who would rather see a Democrat win in 2016, then regroup and try to win in 2020, than see Trump destroy their party over the next four years. When it comes to the general election, Donald Trump is, by far, their weakest candidate.

Yet, he’s the current overwhelming frontrunner. And as long as both Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio both continue to stay in the race, splitting each other’s vote, neither will ever stand a realistic shot at overtaking “The Donald.” Though it’s obvious at this point that the RNC really wants Rubio to ultimately be “the guy.” This puts it on the narcissistic egomaniac Cruz to “do what’s best for the party” and drop out, which I don’t see happening as long as he’s polling about as well as Rubio. After all, between the two, Cruz has actually won a state.  So as long as both candidates stay in, Trump is likely headed toward double-digit victories in most of the upcoming primaries.

And if Trump is the GOP nominee, that’s going to be an absolute nightmare for the party.

Reason Number Two:

If Donald Trump somehow manages to get passed up by Marco Rubio, he’s going to have a complete meltdown. Especially considering the RNC and the “big money Republicans” have made it readily clear that Rubio is the candidate they want.

That will likely prompt Trump to run as an independent, claiming he was treated “unfairly” by the party. And if that happens, he’ll split the Republican vote and hand Democrats the presidency this November.

There’s likely no happy ending to the story here for the Republican party. Their only hope is that Marco Rubio passes Trump and somehow Trump simply bows out gracefully and with humility to let the “strongest” and “best” GOP candidate run in the general election.

Does anybody honestly think that’s happening? I sure as heck don’t.

The bottom line is, Republicans spent years embracing ignorance, hate, bigotry and racism – now they’re likely getting the candidate they deserve.


http://www.forwardprogressives.com/here-are-the-two-reasons-why-donald-trump-owns-the-republican-party/



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Reply #231 on: February 23, 2016, 01:44:38 PM



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Reply #232 on: February 23, 2016, 02:04:42 PM
"Embraced by 35-40%...loathed by a good chunk" of Republican voters.   I actually think he's embraced by more.    The writer believes that some Repubs would rather see a Democrat win instead and hope for the best in 2020.     Totally disagree with that.   Their party is their party.   

And as the writer says...best thing that can happen is Cruz or Rubio drop and support from one of the candidates back the other.    Because, that would cause Trump to completely lose it.   The voters will then see what a complete jerk this guy is.

"Only hope is Rubio passes Trump.. and Trump bows at gracefully"     Does anybody see that happening?  meaning the bowing out gracefully?

And if Trump should win, we're in serious trouble.

My parents and other family members are Republicans and they are blind.    Family get gatherings get a little tense when politics is brought up these days.

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Reply #234 on: February 25, 2016, 12:52:59 AM
I hear the Koch brothers are backing Rubio.  Any thoughts?



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Reply #235 on: February 25, 2016, 02:36:34 AM
*Groan*   
Two of the most unethical people to walk the planet.   Let's buy congress through Americans for Prosperity to block every effort by BO to pass legislation that could help the economy.   I cringe hearing their names.   

Huge help for Rubio who, two years ago I thought would walk away with the R nomination.   Either him or Huck.   But Huck went down because he was too religious and the ridiculous backing of the KY clerk who wouldn't sign gay marriage certificates.

If it helps knock DT down,  I'm kind of for it.   Because DT won't bow out and they can split the votes in Nov.

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Reply #236 on: February 28, 2016, 02:14:03 AM
The Republicans' Big Health Care 'Idea' Is Complete Nonsense
by Al Franken

If you watched the Republican debate on Thursday, you probably noticed the candidates agreeing that insurance companies should be allowed to sell policies across state lines.

"We have to get rid of the lines around the states," said Donald Trump, making vigorous circles with his hands for emphasis, "so that there's serious, serious competition." It would, he promised, "be a beautiful thing."

This is often presented as the Republicans' Big Idea on health care -- in fact, as with Trump, it's often the only idea they can come up with. But it isn't a serious plan for improving our nation's health care system. In fact, it's absolute nonsense.

For starters, we don't need to pass a federal law to allow insurance companies to sell policies across state lines. We don't have to repeal Obamacare. We don't have to do anything. Nothing in federal law prohibits states from allowing out-of-state insurance companies to sell policies to their citizens. In fact, six states have already tried it. And guess what? It doesn't work.

Let me back up. Individual states are responsible for administering and regulating their own health insurance markets. They decide which insurers receive licenses to sell policies within their borders, and establish standards for what benefits those policies must provide to their citizens.

States were free to allow insurers from other states to sell to their citizens before Obamacare, and they are still free to do so today. What Obamacare did was establish an "essential benefits package" -- basic minimum standards that all individual policies must meet, no matter where they're sold.

Indeed, many states have explored the idea of allowing insurance companies from other states to sell within their borders; 18 looked into allowing out-of-state insurance sales before Obamacare became law, and 13 have considered it since. But very few have actually decided to do so. And the ones that have report unanimously that it has accomplished nothing.

Why? Because a license to sell insurance in a given state isn't the only thing insurance companies need in order to be able to actually sell insurance. They need to learn the state, analyze the health care needs of its population, recruit participants, build a network of providers, negotiate rates, and more.

If you're a huge insurance company like Blue Cross, you might have the resources to replicate this effort in states across the country, which is why you can get Blue Cross insurance in multiple states. But smaller insurance companies based in a single state have found again and again that, even when offered the opportunity to sell across state lines, it simply isn't worth the hassle.

And that's why allowing cross-border insurance sales has failed miserably in every state where it's been tried.

Wyoming tried it. Their deputy insurance commissioner told POLITICO, "There has not been any interest."

Rhode Island tried it. Their former health insurance commissioner reported that "no one even inquired."

Georgia tried it. Their insurance commissioner said, "Nobody has even asked to be approved to sell across state lines. We're dumbfounded. We are absolutely dumbfounded."

The same proved to be true in Kentucky, and Maine, and Washington: insurance companies simply aren't interested in selling policies across state lines. That's why most of the states that have considered making it possible for insurance companies to do so have decided not to bother. And that's why this "idea" as the Republicans' big solution on health care is absurd.

Which, by the way, is not news to anyone who's actually studied it. "I've tried for 10 years to explain this to Republicans; it is a big problem," sighed Merrill Matthews of the Institute for Policy Innovation (a conservative think tank founded by former Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey and funded by, among others, the pharmaceutical industry and the Koch brothers) in an interview with the New York Times. "Just because a good affordable policy is available in another state doesn't mean that I would be able to get the network of physicians and the good prices that are available in that other state."

It would be bad enough if this were just an inane bit of gobbledygook that Republicans use to disguise the fact that, beyond repealing the law that has extended coverage to tens of millions of Americans, they really have no ideas at all when it comes to health care.

But it's actually worse. Because what Republicans are really interested in isn't simply increasing the number of players in each state's insurance market, but getting rid of the essential benefits package established to protect consumers under Obamacare.

Indeed, when they talk about "increasing competition," Republicans are envisioning a scenario in which states compete to see who can allow insurance companies to offer the most worthless policies to their citizens -- a race to the bottom in which the losers will be patients who discover too late that the garbage insurance they bought doesn't cover the care they need.

For example: In my home state of Minnesota, we have pretty stringent consumer safeguards, even tougher than what Obamacare requires. But under the Republican plan, without Obamacare's minimum standards in place, another state could allow some fly-by-night company to set up shop and start offering my constituents lousy policies that would leave them helpless if they got sick. This would effectively pre-empt Minnesota's laws -- as long as just one state were willing to drop its standards, no state would be able to protect its citizens from these scams.

You don't often hear Republicans calling for the federal government to interfere with the constitutional rights of states to manage their affairs, but I guess they're willing to make an exception when it would help unscrupulous insurance companies rip people off.

Anyway: Obamacare isn't the end of the work we have to do to make our health care system work better. There are plenty of things we can do to build on its successes and improve on its shortcomings. But allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines isn't an answer to the question of how Republicans would replace Obamacare if they ever succeeded in repealing it.

In fact, given that allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines is already permitted under federal law, that dozens of states have already considered trying it, and that it has already been proven not to work in literally every one of the few states that has implemented it, I'd say it doesn't even count as an actual "idea" at all. It's just a political talking point, and a pretty ridiculous one, at that.

So the next time you hear it in a Republican debate, remember that it isn't an example of them taking a rare break from insulting women, immigrants, Muslim-Americans, and each other to focus on substance. It's just further proof that, when it comes to health care, Republicans still have absolutely nothing to offer the American people.



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Reply #237 on: February 28, 2016, 02:48:27 AM
Trump and the Gov. of N.J. are Republicans in name only.Both have been and are strong Democrats and Trump is more the little school yard bully.  He has nothing to offer, when he talks it is "I" this and that and I am so rich, but nothing real about the issues.  As long as you pat his butt like the dictator of Russia did you are a great person, but if you question him in any way he cries and throws a fit.  He uses the tactics that the Communists (like Hillary and Sanders) use in shouting down those around you and making untrue statements and name calling.  This works as most people are sheep and only hear things like "noise" "free" "they bad me good" etc.  He, Clinton and Sanders as well as most of Congress and all of the Court are what they themselves call the one per cent.  Trump has made it this far for three reasons.  All the press, including right and left, love drama and not facts.  He creates drama and is good for ratings.  Second the old line republicans who have made a mess of the last three elections prefer a Copper Head and not a leader as they rather now a real winner.   Third the elections so far held have mostly been cross over elections.  Hillary Clinton has bought the Democratic election and there is nothing Sanders can do about it.  So you have cross over voters who can leave their party and vote in the primary of the other party.  It destroys the purpose of primary elections.  Also a few small states that have less people in them than some cities do in other states get to decide who runs for office.  It violates the civil rights of the rest of the nation.  There should be one super primary held in all states at the same time with all the candidates no matter how much money they have.  And only party members can vote after showing their i.d. and being registered.  Then the people decide who will run for each party and not a bunch of paid off super delegates and stuff ballot boxes and coin tosses or the rotten press (freedom of the press committed suicide a long time ago).  Under such a system there would be a real Democrat running for office (right now there is none as both said they are far left progressives or communists) and a real candidate and not a fake reality corrupt CEO.

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Reply #238 on: February 29, 2016, 11:13:31 AM
Hey Scott....

Do you think that if Trump wins the office that Congress will be able to control him..??

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Reply #239 on: February 29, 2016, 11:54:48 AM
Hey Scott....

Do you think that if Trump wins the office that Congress will be able to control him..??

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